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Thread: Trump 2020-21 - “Impeachment 2: Insurrection Boogaloo”

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    @ltrandazzo You already know I agree. Kill this thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    Because the Republicans who voted to acquit do not believe the Senate is the proper venue to try a former President, in their interpretation of the Constitution.

    They believe that the Constitution says that ONLY the Senate can try him while he’s in office (with two remedies available: kick him out of office, to then be available to convict under the criminal justice system, and/or prevent him from holding office in the future). They believe that since he is now no longer protected from the criminal justice system, he should therefore be tried by the criminal justice system.
    Nah they don't. They're just passing the buck and you know it. McConnel hasn't even tried to hide this. He's basically like, "I'm the GOP, what the fuck you going to do?". A Wall Street Journal op-ed just makes it all the more pathetic.

    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    This also takes them off the hook from being judged by voters in upcoming elections

    And NOTHING the Democratic House Managers did would ever change that.
    Bingo! They've made their point anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    However, a jury of Trump’s peers finding him guilty as charged will be okay for them to applaud as “justice served.”

    The Senate lightly slapping Trump by finding him guilty and “sentencing” him to not being able to run, again? Yeah, that would save us from having to go through this again; but COME ON, is that really JUSTICE???

    Fuck no.

    Trump needs a PRISON SENTENCE, just like all the people he sent to the Capitol are facing.

    A Senate impeachment trial is not a criminal proceeding; it’s wholly a political procedure, in the absence of an available criminal procedure. In this proceeding, there IS an available criminal procedure; therein lies the Constitutional rub.
    That's exactly what they're hoping happens. Chances are good, but, eh.

    Honestly, I think the best chance the GOP has to move on from this perpetual joke, is the fact he's been deplatformed on Twitter. Goodbye self perpetuating news cycles.

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    Also why is everyone demanding that this thread be closed? Surely there's more to discuss here? I mean this shit is going to be in the high school curriculum history books for fucking centuries to come.
    Last edited by DF118; 02-18-2021 at 12:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DF118 View Post
    Nah they don't. They're just passing the buck and you know it.
    This is what this article states: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...it-ncna1258065

    But, while she is a former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of California, I disagree with her assertion that McConnell had “the best possible tool to hold the former president accountable.” The punishment via that “tool” was total bullshit. It’s a mild slap on the wrist, it’s fucking insulting. Fuck that. And that punishment is still available in criminal court.

    Also, she states:

    “McConnell took a problem that the Senate was uniquely positioned to handle — a president's dereliction of duty and violation of his oath of office — and told the nation that it is the job of criminal prosecutors to deal with it.”

    EXCEPT there was ONE Article of Impeachment and it wasn’t about dereliction of duty or violation of oath of office; neither of those were cited; the Article was for Incitement of Insurrection.

    I think the House made a mistake in not specifying dereliction of duty as a specific Article. I also think they should have included a specific Article for violating the 14th Amendment.

    But I wonder if civil lawsuits will be even more successful than criminal against Trump. He can’t hide from discovery, anymore.

    Ultimately, I agree with you. Republicans aren’t gutless. They’re cunning, evil, self-serving little pricks. They are also really stupid. Several of those Republicans plan to run for President in 2024, against Trump. They would have been smart to banish him.

    Here is a REALLY interesting article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...oval-problems/
    Last edited by allegro; 02-18-2021 at 02:28 AM.

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    Trump is speaking at CPAC next week. He is planning to (of course) denounce what Biden has been doing. Won't be surprised if he announces he's running again too

    The man should not be allowed to speak anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by versusreality View Post
    Trump is speaking at CPAC next week. He is planning to (of course) denounce what Biden has been doing. Won't be surprised if he announces he's running again too

    The man should not be allowed to speak anywhere.
    positive spin attempt: maybe his refusal to go away quietly will strengthen the resolve of those that are bringing cases against him? Many of the parties in that position sadly need that push, and whatever nasty shit he says next week should be a good reminder to those people that they can't let this shit go...that they need to make this fucker pay.

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    Apparently 46% of polled registered Republicans would ditch GOP for a “Trump party.”

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    "Dominion Voting Systems sues MyPillow and CEO Mike Lindell for more than $1.3 billion"

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/22/busin...ceo/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    Apparently 46% of polled registered Republicans would ditch GOP for a “Trump party.”
    And because everything they do is a projection, you can probably identify these registered Republicans by the frequency of the word "cuck" in their social media output.

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    What’s great is that it’s becoming increasingly clear to even establishment republicans that Trump is now a clear threat to them as well, and it’s now in EVERYONE’s best interest that he be punished, shamed, and thrown in jail

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    Quote Originally Posted by ickyvicky View Post
    "Dominion Voting Systems sues MyPillow and CEO Mike Lindell for more than $1.3 billion"

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/22/busin...ceo/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    What’s great is that it’s becoming increasingly clear to even establishment republicans that Trump is now a clear threat to them as well, and it’s now in EVERYONE’s best interest that he be punished, shamed, and thrown in jail
    the fact that Cruz hasn't been impeached yet is maddening. and also- maybe people aren't taking it as serious as they should...politicians and civilians...

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    Quote Originally Posted by versusreality View Post
    the fact that Cruz hasn't been impeached yet is maddening. and also- maybe people aren't taking it as serious as they should...politicians and civilians...
    Senators aren’t impeached. They’re expelled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    Senators aren’t impeached. They’re expelled.
    that's what I meant.
    no accountability, an enablement.

    I know it wouldn't happen anyway, much like Trump wasn't convicted.

    my co-worker said yesterday, "this might just be a one year vacation. it's possible the Republicans take things back next year, and Trump runs again in 2024. "

    I nearly vomited at the thought. I don't see it happening, but sadly, I wouldn't be surprised. either way, i expect the division to grow more in this country, ugh.

    "but people like Mcconnel have moved on" ...have they? it wasn't until the votes were tallied that Mitch decided he was done with Trump. if trump is the presumptive nominee in 2024, Mitch will be right behind him.

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    Eh, I think emperor Palpatine has found that Donald J Trump has expended his usefulness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by versusreality View Post
    that's what I meant.
    no accountability, an enablement.

    I know it wouldn't happen anyway, much like Trump wasn't convicted.

    my co-worker said yesterday, "this might just be a one year vacation. it's possible the Republicans take things back next year, and Trump runs again in 2024. "

    I nearly vomited at the thought. I don't see it happening, but sadly, I wouldn't be surprised. either way, i expect the division to grow more in this country, ugh.

    "but people like Mcconnel have moved on" ...have they? it wasn't until the votes were tallied that Mitch decided he was done with Trump. if trump is the presumptive nominee in 2024, Mitch will be right behind him.
    quoting myself because it's too predictable:
    McConnel says he will "absolutely" support Trump if he's the 2024 nominee
    https://www.axios.com/mcconnell-trum...7d16ab82b.html

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    Nothing strange about that at all.

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    they really are shooting themselves in the foot and enjoying it at the same time.

    not that they need to worry with the Dems doing the same thing right now.

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