Soooo tempted to get the vinyls, but like all the other vinyls i have it'll just be for the artwork and they'll just gather dust under my bed as i don't have a vinyl player (or even the space FOR a player)...GAAAAAH!
Soooo tempted to get the vinyls, but like all the other vinyls i have it'll just be for the artwork and they'll just gather dust under my bed as i don't have a vinyl player (or even the space FOR a player)...GAAAAAH!
I'd understand all this grumbling if it was a vinyl-only release, but it isn't! They're also releasing files. Literally every argument that I've seen above in favour of CDs and against vinyl could be made more compellingly in favour of files against CDs (cheaper, better quality, take up less space). So if you think those arguments against vinyl are compelling (I don't, but whatever) then you're in luck, since files beat CDs on all of those fronts and the files are being released!
When you own an album physically, it's something tangible you actually own in meat space, while a file just sort of floats in a virtual one. Psychologically, files on a computer feel throwaway. One can download 100 albums and feel no connection to them because there is no connection; it's just words and images on a flat screen rather than a printed object.
This whole conversation has come up every time a new TRAR/NIN release happens now, ever since TR's VINYL MISSION STATEMENT bullshit. It fucking sucks. Trent, you can do better for your fanbase than this.
As for Watchmen, I'm out. Will not buy. This goes for any future release from the band until they sort this mess.
Ha!
I respectfully disagree. While I do prefer to own physical copies in one form or another myself (I’m with you there), it is absolutely still possible to have a connection with music in a digital state. I enjoy this connection on a daily basis. Music transcends the format though which it’s experienced. Do you still buy every TV show and movie you watch in physical formats? Because if you stream those, then are you not making a connection with those as well? When you see a film in the theater or hear a song on the radio, is there no connection there?? Man, they announce a monstrous 3-volume score and this thread is 75% bitching. No wonder he doesn’t come here anymore.
I don’t think anything is changing anytime in the near future, so I guess you’re done with them altogether. They’re not going to notice your pointless boycott, though, sorry. I hope you change your mind and at least listen to the digital release because it seems clear to me that there won’t be any more CD releases unless it’s a major full-length NIN release.
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I wonder how much of the 'Watchmen' score was going to be on the 'Bird Box' extended release.
Yes, it's a very adult way of debate. Go on, champ
I have every NIN score and have never watched any of the movies or tv shows they are for (outside of Social Network and Gone Girl which I watched because I wanted to see the movie, not because of the score) I could give a shit about Watchmen or Bird Box or Patriots Day or mid90s or Vietnam as movies/tv shows/documentaries etc. I consider each score basically an instrumental NIN album and 100% separate them from whatever film/tv show they are a part of.
And to the dude talking about how disc rot is a problem on CDs...I have owned over 5,000 CDs since 1989....I have never had one rot.....I have never had one CDR go bad...My Beastie Boys 'License To Ill' CD which I bought on Halloween 1989 as an 8 year old still plays perfect to this day. You treat your CDs right and they will treat you right
I’ve definitely got rot on CR-rs but I’ve never seen it in silver CDs
i would just like to say:
it is extremely likely that trent reznor will never release another CD again. you can either get over it now or spend the next decade complaining, but that's not gonna change anything.
Man, people will gripe about whatever Trent does. As an artist, I say charge what you want and release how you want and let people take it or leave it. This isn’t the golden days of music, where everyone is getting millions for nothing. Notice how there aren’t any big-budget music videos anymore. There is a reason. Physical media and merch and tours and soundtracks are how you pay the bills and even that’s tough. I am HAPPY to pay money to keep my favorite artists focusing on their art instead of how they are going to pay the bills. Happy. Recently I was begging Saul Williams to release his new album on vinyl so I could fork over some cash to him and see him able to create more. I love what we get for the money we pay to great artists. Art is such a key part of my life and i would rather these guys get my money than Jeff Bezos or Zuckerberg or Trump or whatever other greedy a-hole is vacuuming up all the wealth.
No download code? Did I just spend $50 on something I’ll have no means of listening to?
Hooray for the return of vinyl!
I’m sure there will be an option to download FLAC/wav/mp3 files from NIN.com as well as iTunes and Amazon or wherever you like to buy your digital music. And of course, streaming.
I’m happy to support the artist, but having to do so twice just to get something to listen to is very disappointing. Unless the person who already received the record just got a bad copy.
If we’ve gone to vinyl as the preferred format, but with no digital files are included, that seems like a step backwards.
Why on earth would you spend $50 on records you had no intentions of listening to, and then complain when you didn't get a download code insert, when you could just spend $10 on a digital download, get exactly what you want immediately, and not be stuck with a 12x12 piece of cardboard/wax that is absolutely useless to you?
Probably because it's the only means by which to get it on physical media. Charging premium prices for an album is ludicrous if there's not even a link to some mp3s included. A digital version is expected nowadays.
Very glad I didn't buy this.
Now, where's the CD? Otherwise, I'll have to listen to this on my "fucking phone", Trent. On my "fucking phone".
Last edited by StockAvuryah; 11-04-2019 at 04:42 AM.
There's quite a few bands now taking the same approach Trent did years ago, where they're wanting fans to buy direct from their official store and its often the only way to get signed LPs and the like. But a common downside with this seems to be they all seem utterly unable to get new releases to you for the day of release. I know, its a first world problem, but surely they can see there's a reason why people buy stuff from places like Amazon and it isn't just because of price.
Kinda glad i didn't plump for the records now if they don't come with downloads (they still looks pretty though) ROLL ON DIGITAL DOWNLOAD DAY!
"SHORTLY AFTER"
Is that "soon?"
This Friday - soon enough.
The issue I have with this release so far is more about the ambiguity and less about the cost. Like others on here I understand the whole vinyl "thing." However, as an adult, listening to music on vinyl is just extremely inconvenient. I have ordered all the releases on vinyl and might listen to them, but it is really unlikely. I typically look through the vinyl artwork and listen to the digital version on my phone (I have kids, a job that requires travel, etc.). I am never going to pack up turntables and records to bring on a 10 hour flight, in the car or listen in a hotel which is where most of my listening is done these days.
After the episode last night I was pretty disappointed actually. I was expecting some sort of big reveal that would have made all this secrecy behind the music make more sense. Instead it was just another episode... I have no idea why the artwork and track listing was made unavailable or why the digital release date is different and not announced (actual date).
Oh well, not the end of the world, just sort of a weird release that seems kind of like double dipping (being in-universe seems like a stretch and if so, they could have said specifically that the download was a separate purchase)
And while we're on the subject, who agreed to start releasing new music on a Friday! Its Monday. Its always been Monday.
Here in the US it was typically Tuesday. The industry switched to Friday across all markets for consistency in an attempt to combat piracy. <eyeroll>