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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    Finally saw this, and my overall takeaway is: what's all the hype about?

    Phoenix's acting was fantastic. I will not deny that for a second.

    But the movie itself just did absolutely nothing for me. For what it's worth, I'm not a superhero movie person and couldn't care less about Marvel or DC or whatever "universe" this is. So I went into this for the sole purpose of just seeing a highly acclaimed standalone movie. And I finished without understanding what was so amazing or groundbreaking about it. A lot of people have praised it for taking a deep look at mental health, but I don't get it. Sure, the main character has a mental disorder. And they show that he's losing his support system. But they're doing so in a highly unbelievable way in which he gets away with murder, gets invited on TV for no reason (the reason they gave was nonsense), then once he finally gets arrested he gets saved by bunch of vigilantes who apparently steal an ambulance, follow the police scanner, track down the ID and location of the car transporting him, t-bone it without killing him, and then celebrate him like a hero? None of this makes the "mental health" angle of the show mean a thing to real life, because it's all a fantasy world.

    So ignoring that part and just focusing on the overall movie, it just didn't do anything for me. There was nothing groundbreaking about the general concept of "guy is outcast, guy snaps, guy kills people". It's a tale as old as time. Sure, Phoenix's acting is Oscar-worthy, and I liked the direction (directing?). But the story itself just didn't grab me at all. It's not like this was an awful movie; I just don't understand the level of popularity and hype it received
    The general hatred DC receives and how formulaic Marvel has gotten (still good mostly) it was a nice surprise to see this sort of turn for a movie of this "genre" and classification. It was one of my favorite movies in awhile and I enjoyed it a great deal but I'm not gonna act like it's transcending to cinema history.

    As for hype and popularity, I don't go by stuff like that for music, movies and television shows to gauge my interest. I can't for the life of me understand what the fuck is so great about Avatar. I think its overhyped and ho hum but people went ravenous for it. not my thing. It's whatever.

    Sometimes you won't "get it" if there's "something to get" out of stuff like this.

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    How couldn't this be overhyped? We are living the era of comic book movies. Joker is just a huge name. You decide to show his origin, there will be hype.

    I mean, the Guardians of the Galaxy were completely irrelevant and silly and pretty much stupid (and so are the movies) and even they got hyped up. It is what it is.

    Difference is that Joker is actually a good movie, it has a heart, it is not filled with propaganda bullshit. One of the best movies of 2019, if not the best.

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    Just saw this last night and loved it. Take away the DC universe side of it and it was just a great film and a nice tribute to Scorsese’s darker films.

    The highlights of the entire was was the score (Hildur is a just fantastic. Loved her score for Chernobyl as well) and...seeing a director such as Todd Phillips, known for douche bro comedies...actually pull off a great dramatic film. He didn’t just direct it but wrote it as well. And from some of the behind the scenes footage and interviews he obsessively directed it. I love seeing pop out of their areas of recognition and excel. Bravo my friend.

    only complaint was the tie in of another DC character in the middle and I would’ve like to have had the film end during the car cheer and delete the extra little scene all together. That felt more like a post credit scene. Felt odd ending the film with the fade to black and then coming back the way it did

    overall though...can’t wait to watch it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reznor2112 View Post
    Just saw this last night and loved it. Take away the DC universe side of it and it was just a great film and a nice tribute to Scorsese’s darker films.

    The highlights of the entire was was the score (Hildur is a just fantastic. Loved her score for Chernobyl as well) and...seeing a director such as Todd Phillips, known for douche bro comedies...actually pull off a great dramatic film. He didn’t just direct it but wrote it as well. And from some of the behind the scenes footage and interviews he obsessively directed it. I love seeing pop out of their areas of recognition and excel. Bravo my friend.

    only complaint was the tie in of another DC character in the middle and I would’ve like to have had the film end during the car cheer and delete the extra little scene all together. That felt more like a post credit scene. Felt odd ending the film with the fade to black and then coming back the way it did

    overall though...can’t wait to watch it again.
    Well, you cant have Gotham without the Waynes.

    As far as the end of the movie, its supposed to kinda fit in with the " Hey, was all this just made up ?" because if you look at how that room is setup and the office with his social worker is setup, they match. Also the time on the clock matches. The whole mystery of it not knowing whats real and whats not fits the character of Joker so perfectly.

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    Hits home video this Tuesday, the 7th.






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    Excited! I have the day off from work too so I know what I'll be doing!

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    Hildur Guđnadóttir with a well-deserved win for the score last night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegate View Post
    Hildur Guđnadóttir with a well-deserved win for the score last night.
    I loved the OST so much I had to buy it when FYE released it on record.

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    the Academy got so excited that this fucking movie made a ton of money to go along with it's critical acclaim that they over-nominated the hell out of it & it pushed other, more deserving movies out of the way as a result. Bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post
    the Academy got so excited that this fucking movie made a ton of money to go along with it's critical acclaim that they over-nominated the hell out of it & it pushed other, more deserving movies out of the way as a result. Bullshit.
    Academy gonna Academy. There is absolutely no reason for Scorsese/Tarantino to be on these lists other than they're who they are. The Irishman and Once Upon A Time... were both enjoyable, but I wouldn't even put them in the Top 10 from last year.

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    It would appear that another year's nominations brings with it yet again another year's worth of complaining on Twitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by october_midnight View Post
    It would appear that another year's nominations brings with it yet again another year's worth of complaining on Twitter.
    The thing is...contests mean there are losers. So as soon as you have losers, you'll have people complaining about who won or lost. Every. Single. Time. (Granted, some complaints are more valid than others, and this kind of awards show will always have a mix of both.)

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    Arguing, you're doing it wrong.

    You have to wait for Phoenix to win ( which he will do, unless Jonathan Pryce steals it) and then, we can all properly argue about whom deserved it the most: Ledger or Phoenix.

    Oh, the endless possibilities...

    Hildur is going to win too, by the way. And she'll deserve it.

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    This is the ultimate validation to the notion that the canon of movie history is aimed at becoming a series of posters on some guys dorm room wall

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    Academy gonna Academy. There is absolutely no reason for Scorsese/Tarantino to be on these lists other than they're who they are. The Irishman and Once Upon A Time... were both enjoyable, but I wouldn't even put them in the Top 10 from last year.
    I think Phoenix deserves an award for best actor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GulDukat View Post
    I think Phoenix deserves an award for best actor.
    Me too, actually. That being said it'll probably be Adam Driver... who I also have no problem with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    Me too, actually. That being said it'll probably be Adam Driver... who I also have no problem with.
    Adam is really good, too bad he was given total shit to work with in Star Wars, but oh well.

    edit: if anything, the payoff is it raised his star, the only thing I remember him from pre TFA was Girls because my ex watched that show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post
    the Academy got so excited that this fucking movie made a ton of money to go along with it's critical acclaim that they over-nominated the hell out of it & it pushed other, more deserving movies out of the way as a result. Bullshit.
    Yea because of all the other countless awards that movie has been bringing in, it doesnt deserve it.

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    Sigh I wish. My wife would leave if I dropped $1300 usd on this.


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