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    Universal Studios vault fire destroys UMG master tapes (Trent has his own)


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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckrh View Post
    some bad news if you read deep:
    Could you summarize what is the bad news ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjaw View Post
    Could you summarize what is the bad news ?
    article snippet

    Quote Originally Posted by NYTIMES
    The list of destroyed single and album masters takes in titles by dozens of legendary artists, a genre-spanning who’s who of 20th- and 21st-century popular music. It includes recordings by Benny Goodman, Cab Calloway, the Andrews Sisters, the Ink Spots, the Mills Brothers, Lionel Hampton, Ray Charles, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Clara Ward, Sammy Davis Jr., Les Paul, Fats Domino, Big Mama Thornton, Burl Ives, the Weavers, Kitty Wells, Ernest Tubb, Lefty Frizzell, Loretta Lynn, George Jones, Merle Haggard, Bobby (Blue) Bland, B.B. King, Ike Turner, the Four Tops, Quincy Jones, Burt Bacharach, Joan Baez, Neil Diamond, Sonny and Cher, the Mamas and the Papas, Joni Mitchell, Captain Beefheart, Cat Stevens, the Carpenters, Gladys Knight and the Pips, Al Green, the Flying Burrito Brothers, Elton John, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Buffett, the Eagles, Don Henley, Aerosmith, Steely Dan, Iggy Pop, Rufus and Chaka Khan, Barry White, Patti LaBelle, Yoko Ono, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, the Police, Sting, George Strait, Steve Earle, R.E.M., Janet Jackson, Eric B. and Rakim, New Edition, Bobby Brown, Guns N’ Roses, Queen Latifah, Mary J. Blige, Sonic Youth, No Doubt, Nine Inch Nails, Snoop Dogg, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Hole, Beck, Sheryl Crow, Tupac Shakur, Eminem, 50 Cent and the Roots.
    TLDR: huge warehouse fire, resulting in a shitload of master tapes being destroyed.

    I haven't read through the full article yet, but I'm curious to know if the artists can take legal action? Or is it a case of the record labels owning the rights, and it's their lose, not the artist?
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    As an amateur archivist, I am just shocked that they preserved the masters so shitty. I would definitely have them in a fireproof room/vault. Just kills me to hear that.

    Reading the article, the scrapped Elvis master tapes for the scrap metal. Jeebus chwist..... Now they are finally realizing that you should preserve this history.

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    Totally unrelated but they lost the tapes on the moon too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callahan View Post
    ...I'm curious to know if the artists can take legal action? Or is it a case of the record labels owning the rights, and it's their lose, not the artist?
    According to the article it varies:

    Back in 2008, UMG undoubtedly feared the public embarrassment that news of the losses could bring. But Aronson and others suggest that UMG was especially concerned about repercussions with the artists, and the estates of artists, whose recordings were destroyed.

    Record contracts are notoriously slanted in the favor of labels, which benefit disproportionately from sales and, in most cases, hold ownership of masters. For decades, standard artists’ contracts stipulated that recordings were “work for hire,” with record companies retaining control of masters in perpetuity. It is a paradox of the record business: Labels have often been cavalier about physically safeguarding masters, but they are zealous guardians of their ownership and intellectual-property rights.

    Certain musicians, usually big stars, negotiate ownership of masters. (“If you don’t own your masters, your master owns you,” quipped Prince in 1996, at the height of a high-profile standoff with Warner Brothers.) It is unclear how many of the artists whose work was lost in the Universal vault had ownership of their physical masters, or were seeking it. But by definition, artists have a stake in the intellectual property contained on those masters, and many artists surely expected UMG to safeguard the material for potential later use. Had word of the fire’s toll emerged, many of the biggest names in pop music, and many profitable artist estates, would have learned that UMG had lost core documents their catalogs rest on — a source for everything from potentially lucrative reissues to historical preservation to posthumous releases. That scenario could have exposed UMG to a storm of questions, threats and reputational damage from across the industry.

    But in the decade since the fire, UMG has faced little apparent blowback from artists or their representatives. It is probable that musicians whose masters were destroyed have no idea that a vault holding UMG masters had burned down. (A UMG spokesperson, asked if there has been any systematic effort to inform artists of the losses, said the company “doesn’t publicly discuss our private conversations with artists and estates.”)


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    Quote Originally Posted by ninlive View Post
    As an amateur archivist, I am just shocked that they preserved the masters so shitty. I would definitely have them in a fireproof room/vault. Just kills me to hear that.

    Reading the article, the scrapped Elvis master tapes for the scrap metal. Jeebus chwist..... Now they are finally realizing that you should preserve this history.
    Just in time to make sure all the Taylor Swift and Justin Bieber masters are preserved!

    Quote Originally Posted by cdm View Post
    According to the article it varies:
    I'd love to be a fly on the wall for those conversations with the artists. I wonder if this article will bring more awareness to the artists that had no idea their masters are gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callahan View Post
    I wonder if this article will bring more awareness to the artists that had no idea their masters are gone.
    I suppose it's possible, especially if you haven't reissued anything within the last 10-12 years.

    But that got me thinking: TDS was just remastered for 2016...what was the source? The article doesn't mention exactly what of NIN was lost but it does explicitly mention Interscope as one of the labels housed in the vault so I assumed that the TDS masters would be included in there. Same with The Fragile, etc. It'd be fascinating to see what TR has to say about this. I wonder if they recorded two masters and kept one [internally] vaulted just in case.
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    I was just about to make a post about this and was wondering what had been lost. I thought the PHM 2010 remaster as well as the recent Broken, TDS and Fragile remasters all came from the original tapes.

    This could still have affected With Teeth, perhaps. Trent ditched UMG in 2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckrh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ninlive View Post
    As an amateur archivist, I am just shocked that they preserved the masters so shitty. I would definitely have them in a fireproof room/vault. Just kills me to hear that.

    Reading the article, the scrapped Elvis master tapes for the scrap metal. Jeebus chwist..... Now they are finally realizing that you should preserve this history.
    Among the incinerated Decca masters were recordings by titanic figures in American music: Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Al Jolson, Bing Crosby, Ella Fitzgerald, Judy Garland. The tape masters for Billie Holiday’s Decca catalog were most likely lost in total. The Decca masters also included recordings by such greats as Louis Jordan and His Tympany Five and Patsy Cline.

    The fire most likely claimed most of Chuck Berry’s Chess masters and multitrack masters, a body of work that constitutes Berry’s greatest recordings. The destroyed Chess masters encompassed nearly everything else recorded for the label and its subsidiaries, including most of the Chess output of Muddy Waters, Howlin’ Wolf, Willie Dixon, Bo Diddley, Etta James, John Lee Hooker, Buddy Guy and Little Walter. Also very likely lost were master tapes of the first commercially released material by Aretha Franklin, recorded when she was a young teenager performing in the church services of her father, the Rev. C.L. Franklin, who made dozens of albums for Chess and its sublabels.

    Virtually all of Buddy Holly’s masters were lost in the fire. Most of John Coltrane’s Impulse masters were lost, as were masters for treasured Impulse releases by Ellington, Count Basie, Coleman Hawkins, Dizzy Gillespie, Max Roach, Art Blakey, Sonny Rollins, Charles Mingus, Ornette Coleman, Alice Coltrane, Sun Ra, Albert Ayler, Pharoah Sanders and other jazz greats. Also apparently destroyed were the masters for dozens of canonical hit singles, including Bill Haley and His Comets’ “Rock Around the Clock,” Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats’ “Rocket 88,” Bo Diddley’s “Bo Diddley/I’m A Man,” Etta James’s “At Last,” the Kingsmen’s “Louie Louie” and the Impressions’ “People Get Ready.”
    By this point, I was crying.

    This is BEYOND infuriating. This is crazy negligence. All of this stuff should have been in a fire-proof / flood-proof facility, absolutely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callahan View Post
    I'd love to be a fly on the wall for those conversations with the artists.
    Except most of the artists are dead. That's the worst part. We can't get back history.

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    Exclamation nine inch nails master tapes lost?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/m...tmag&smtyp=cur

    Nice that Universal kept it a secret for such long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stlkr View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/m...tmag&smtyp=cur

    Nice that Universal kept it a secret for such long time.
    Merged this into the Spotting thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltrandazzo View Post
    Merged this into the Spotting thread.
    thank you. sorry for the mess. i rarely post here.

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    NIN master tapes lost in 2008 Universal lot fire

    I finally had a chance to read the excellent New York Times article about the 2008 fire on the Universal Studios Hollywood lot that destroyed the entire UMG music archive.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/m...ecordings.html

    These original master tapes span from the 1940s to present day, and included works by Luis Armstrong, Chuck Berry, all of Buddy Holly's recordings, Elton John, Sonic Youth, Soundgarden, G'n'R, and sadly Nine Inch Nails. The list is huge, btw, I was just cherry-picking artists. It's pretty heartbreaking.

    "The monetary value of this loss is difficult to calculate. Aronson recalls hearing that the company priced the combined total of lost tape and “loss of artistry” at $150 million. But in historical terms, the dimension of the catastrophe is staggering."

    Any guesses which NIN masters might have been lost in the fire?
    Do I recall correctly, from a few years back, that the PHM tapes surfaced online for sale and Trent ended up getting them? So I assume it's not that.

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    Didn’t Trent have his masters since he was nothing records? Or did interscope keep those?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellospaceboy View Post
    I finally had a chance to read the excellent New York Times article about the 2008 fire on the Universal Studios Hollywood lot that destroyed the entire UMG music archive.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/m...ecordings.html

    These original master tapes span from the 1940s to present day, and included works by Luis Armstrong, Chuck Berry, all of Buddy Holly's recordings, Elton John, Sonic Youth, Soundgarden, G'n'R, and sadly Nine Inch Nails. The list is huge, btw, I was just cherry-picking artists. It's pretty heartbreaking.

    "The monetary value of this loss is difficult to calculate. Aronson recalls hearing that the company priced the combined total of lost tape and “loss of artistry” at $150 million. But in historical terms, the dimension of the catastrophe is staggering."

    Any guesses which NIN masters might have been lost in the fire?
    Do I recall correctly, from a few years back, that the PHM tapes surfaced online for sale and Trent ended up getting them? So I assume it's not that.
    Merged this into nin spotting where it’s currently being discussed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conan The Barbarian View Post
    Didn’t Trent have his masters since he was nothing records? Or did interscope keep those?
    Of course Trent got his stuff, there was a mention about the lost of Antichrist Superstar, but it's over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweeterthan View Post
    Merged this into nin spotting where it’s currently being discussed.
    Thanks, I should have looked there!

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    the list of artists that lost masters in the UMG vault fire:
    38 Special
    50 Cent
    Colonel Abrams
    Johnny Ace
    Bryan Adams
    Nat Adderley
    Aerosmith
    Rhett Akins
    Manny Albam
    Lorez Alexandria
    Gary Allan
    Red Allen
    Steve Allen
    The Ames Brothers
    Gene Ammons
    Bill Anderson
    Jimmy Anderson
    John Anderson
    The Andrews Sisters
    Lee Andrews & the Hearts
    Paul Anka
    Adam Ant
    Toni Arden
    Joan Armatrading
    Louis Armstrong
    Asia
    Asleep at the Wheel
    Audioslave
    Patti Austin
    Average White Band
    Hoyt Axton
    Albert Ayler
    Burt Bacharach
    Joan Baez
    Razzy Bailey
    Chet Baker
    Florence Ballard
    Hank Ballard
    Gato Barbieri
    Baja Marimba Band
    Len Barry
    Count Basie
    Fontella Bass
    The Beat Farmers
    Sidney Bechet and His Orchestra
    Beck
    Captain Beefheart
    Archie Bell & the Drells
    Vincent Bell
    Bell Biv Devoe
    Louie Bellson
    Don Bennett
    Joe Bennett and the Sparkletones
    David Benoit
    George Benson
    Berlin
    Elmer Bernstein and His Orchestra
    Chuck Berry
    Nuno Bettencourt
    Stephen Bishop
    Blackstreet
    Art Blakey
    Hal Blaine
    Bobby (Blue) Bland
    Mary J. Blige
    Blink 182
    Blues Traveler
    Eddie Bo
    Pat Boone
    Boston
    Connee Boswell
    Eddie Boyd
    Jan Bradley
    Owen Bradley Quintet
    Oscar Brand
    Bob Braun
    Walter Brennan
    Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
    Teresa Brewer
    Edie Brickell & New Bohemians
    John Brim
    Lonnie Brooks
    Big Bill Broonzy and Washboard Sam
    Brothers Johnson
    Bobby Brown
    Clarence “Gatemouth” Brown
    Lawrence Brown
    Les Brown
    Marion Brown
    Marshall Brown
    Mel Brown
    Michael Brown
    Dave Brubeck
    Jimmy Buffett
    Carol Burnett
    T-Bone Burnett
    Dorsey Burnette
    Johnny Burnette
    Busta Rhymes
    Terry Callier
    Cab Calloway
    The Call
    Glen Campbell
    Captain and Tennille
    Captain Sensible
    Irene Cara
    Belinda Carlisle
    Carl Carlton
    Eric Carmen
    Hoagy Carmichael
    Kim Carnes
    Karen Carpenter
    Richard Carpenter
    The Carpenters
    Barbara Carr
    Betty Carter
    Benny Carter
    The Carter Family
    Peter Case
    Alvin Cash
    Mama Cass
    Bobby Charles
    Ray Charles
    Chubby Checker
    The Checkmates Ltd.
    Cheech & Chong
    Cher
    Don Cherry
    Mark Chesnutt
    The Chi-Lites
    Eric Clapton
    Petula Clark
    Roy Clark
    Gene Clark
    The Clark Sisters
    Merry Clayton
    Jimmy Cliff
    Patsy Cline
    Rosemary Clooney
    Wayne Cochran
    Joe Cocker
    Ornette Coleman
    Gloria Coleman
    Mitty Collier
    Jazzbo Collins
    Judy Collins
    Colosseum
    Alice Coltrane
    John Coltrane
    Colours
    Common
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    Barbara Cook
    Rita Coolidge
    Stewart Copeland
    The Corsairs
    Dave “Baby” Cortez
    Bill Cosby
    Don Costa
    Clifford Coulter
    David Crosby
    Crosby & Nash
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    The Crew-Cuts
    Sonny Criss
    David Crosby
    Bob Crosby
    Bing Crosby
    Sheryl Crow
    Rodney Crowell
    Pablo Cruise
    The Crusaders
    Xavier Cugat
    The Cuff Links
    Tim Curry
    The Damned
    Danny & the Juniors
    Rodney Dangerfield
    Bobby Darin
    Helen Darling
    David + David
    Mac Davis
    Richard Davis
    Sammy Davis Jr.
    Chris de Burgh
    Lenny Dee
    Jack DeJohnette
    The Dells
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    Sandy Denny
    Sugar Pie DeSanto
    The Desert Rose Band
    Dennis DeYoung
    Neil Diamond
    Bo Diddley
    Difford & Tilbrook
    Dillard & Clark
    The Dixie Hummingbirds
    Willie Dixon
    DJ Shadow
    Fats Domino
    Jimmy Donley
    Kenny Dorham
    Jimmy Dorsey and His Orchestra
    Lee Dorsey
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    Lamont Dozier
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    Roy Drusky
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    Deanna Durbin
    The Eagles
    Steve Earle
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    Cass Elliott
    Joe Ely
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    Eminem
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    Gil Evans
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    Betty Everett
    Don Everly
    Extreme
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    Five Blind Boys Of Alabama
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    Buddy Greco
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    Buddy Guy
    Buddy Hackett
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    George Hamilton IV
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    John Handy
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    Monk Higgins
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    Earl Hines
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    Jennifer Holliday
    Buddy Holly
    The Hollywood Flames
    Eddie Holman
    John Lee Hooker
    Stix Hooper
    Bob Hope
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    Big Walter Horton
    Thelma Houston
    Rebecca Lynn Howard
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    Humble Pie
    Engelbert Humperdinck
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    The Impressions
    The Ink Spots
    Iron Butterfly
    Burl Ives
    Janet Jackson
    Joe Jackson
    Milt Jackson
    Ahmad Jamal
    Etta James
    Elmore James
    James Gang
    Keith Jarrett
    Jason & the Scorchers
    Jawbreaker
    Garland Jeffreys
    Beverly Jenkins
    Gordon Jenkins
    The Jets
    Jimmy Eat World
    Jodeci
    Johnnie Joe
    The Joe Perry Project
    Elton John
    J.J. Johnson
    K-Ci & JoJo
    Al Jolson
    Booker T. Jones
    Elvin Jones
    George Jones
    Hank Jones
    Jack Jones
    Marti Jones
    Quincy Jones
    Rickie Lee Jones
    Tamiko Jones
    Tom Jones
    Louis Jordan and His Tympany Five
    The Jordanaires
    Jurassic 5
    Bert Kaempfert
    Kitty Kallen & Georgie Shaw
    The Kalin Twins
    Bob Kames
    Kansas
    Boris Karloff
    Sammy Kaye
    Toby Keith
    Gene Kelly
    Chaka Khan
    B.B. King
    The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
    Wayne King
    The Kingsmen
    The Kingston Trio
    Roland Kirk
    Eartha Kitt
    John Klemmer
    Klymaxx
    Baker Knight
    Chris Knight
    Gladys Knight and the Pips
    Krokus
    Steve Kuhn
    Rolf Kuhn
    Joachim Kuhn
    Patti LaBelle
    L.A. Dream Team
    Lambert, Hendricks & Ross
    Frankie Lane
    Denise LaSalle
    Yusef Lateef
    Steve Lawrence
    Steve Lawrence & Eydie Gormé
    Lafayette Leake
    Brenda Lee
    Laura Lee
    Leapy Lee
    Peggy Lee
    Danni Leigh
    The Lennon Sisters
    J.B. Lenoir
    Ramsey Lewis
    Jerry Lee Lewis
    Jerry Lewis
    Meade Lux Lewis
    Liberace
    Lifehouse
    Enoch Light
    The Lightning Seeds
    Limp Bizkit
    Lisa Loeb
    Little Axe and the Golden Echoes
    Little Milton
    Little River Band
    Little Walter
    Lobo
    Nils Lofgren
    Lone Justice
    Guy Lombardo
    Lord Tracy
    The Louvin Brothers
    Love
    Patti Loveless
    The Lovelites
    Lyle Lovett
    Love Unlimited
    Loretta Lynn
    L.T.D.
    Lynyrd Skynyrd
    Gloria Lynne
    Moms Mabley
    Willie Mabon
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    Dave MacKay & Vicky Hamilton
    Miriam Makeba
    The Mamas and the Papas
    Melissa Manchester
    Barbara Mandrell
    Chuck Mangione
    Shelly Manne
    Wade Marcus
    Mark-Almond
    Pigmeat Markham
    Steve Marriott
    Wink Martindale
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    Jerry Mason
    Matthews Southern Comfort
    The Mavericks
    Robert Maxwell
    John Mayall
    Percy Mayfield
    Lyle Mays
    Les McCann
    Delbert McClinton
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    Marilyn McCoo & Billy Davis Jr.
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    Duff McKagan
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    McKendree Spring
    Marian McPartland
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    Carmen McRae
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    Memphis Slim
    Sergio Mendes
    Ethel Merman
    Pat Metheny
    Mighty Clouds of Joy
    Roger Miller
    Stephanie Mills
    The Mills Brothers
    Liza Minnelli
    Charles Mingus
    Joni Mitchell
    Bill Monroe
    Vaughn Monroe
    Wes Montgomery
    Buddy Montgomery
    The Moody Blues
    The Moonglows
    Jane Morgan
    Russ Morgan
    Ennio Morricone
    Mos Def
    Martin Mull
    Gerry Mulligan
    Milton Nascimento
    Johnny Nash
    Nazareth
    Nelson
    Rick Nelson & the Stone Canyon Band
    Ricky Nelson
    Jimmy Nelson
    Oliver Nelson
    Aaron Neville
    Art Neville
    The Neville Brothers
    New Edition
    New Riders of the Purple Sage
    Olivia Newton-John
    Night Ranger
    Leonard Nimoy
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    Ric Ocasek
    Phil Ochs
    Hazel O’Connor
    Chico O’Farrill
    Oingo Boingo
    The O’Jays
    Spooner Oldham
    One Flew South
    Yoko Ono
    Orleans
    Jeffrey Osborne
    The Outfield
    Jackie Paris
    Leo Parker
    Junior Parker
    Ray Parker Jr.
    Dolly Parton
    Les Paul
    Freda Payne
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckrh View Post
    the list of artists that lost masters in the UMG vault fire...

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    Interesting anecdote from Bryan Adams from 2013. He was a big deal back in the day and one would assume he still has pretty good representation...if news of the fire (and loss of his masters) had eluded him until reading the Times article you've got to assume A LOT of the artists on this list had no clue up until now. And that's after what seems like a pretty extensive search for specific masters. Crazy stuff. The UMG legal dept is going to have a busy couple of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdm View Post
    Interesting anecdote from Bryan Adams from 2013. He was a big deal back in the day and one would assume he still has pretty good representation...if news of the fire (and loss of his masters) had eluded him until reading the Times article you've got to assume A LOT of the artists on this list had no clue up until now. And that's after what seems like a pretty extensive search for specific masters. Crazy stuff. The UMG legal dept is going to have a busy couple of years.
    It's possible that UMG had sole ownership of the masters, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HurtinMinorKey View Post
    It's possible that UMG had sole ownership of the masters, no?
    It surely varies from artist to artist. The fact he was looking for them to reissue leads me to believe he has at least partial rights to future publishing.

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    I wonder if this means no more Definitive editions. Like what we have is what we have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    I wonder if this means no more Definitive editions. Like what we have is what we have now.
    Since the fire was in over a decade ago, doubt it.

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    If the NIN camp has all the masters needed to keep putting out Definitive Editions, I wonder what NIN masters were lost in the fire? Really hope Still didn't go up in flames or something...

    Regardless, what a tragedy to lose so much irreplaceable music history. Shameful on Universal's part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deacon Blackfire View Post
    If the NIN camp has all the masters needed to keep putting out Definitive Editions, I wonder what NIN masters were lost in the fire? Really hope Still didn't go up in flames or something...

    Regardless, what a tragedy to lose so much irreplaceable music history. Shameful on Universal's part.
    With the way that TR has steadily put out instrumentals and stems and what not over the years, he at least has copies of everything from TDS on, so I wouldn't be too worried about it.

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    It could be that the NIN masters that were lost weren't the only copies of said masters, like, if i was a perfectionist like Trent, i'd have my own copies of the masters of everything i'd ever done. Especially from TVT/Broken days on, because I would think at that point he'd have already learned not to put 100% trust in a label.

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    With Teeth was done at Sound Coty which was analogue tape right? A “master” is only a master if it is the one original copy. Good point about the fire being ten years ago and definitive editions of some albums coming out since then. But maybe this explains the ones that didn’t come out? Guess we will see.

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