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    US Abortion Bans

    Virtually every red state has been trying to do away with abortion lately. Missouri has just become the latest.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/mi...-live-updates/

    Which states are next? And will this eventually lead to a federal ban?

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    You will see more republican held state-legislatures do the same. My takeaway is that these states are laying the groundwork for an eventual challenge that goes to the Supreme Court once these restrictions are struck down by federal judges. The goal is to repeal Roe v Wade, plain and simple and John Roberts will be the swing vote. It's horrendous.

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    I don't believe it will happen. I don't think we'll see a federal ban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    I don't believe it will happen. I don't think we'll see a federal ban.
    There are 4 Supreme Court justices who would disagree with you while the fifth one huddles in a corner trying to figure out what his legacy is going to be. I take nothing for granted with anything anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltrandazzo View Post
    There are 4 Supreme Court justices who would disagree with you while the fifth one huddles in a corner trying to figure out what his legacy is going to be. I take nothing for granted with anything anymore.
    honestly, I'm scared, too.

    As I just posted in the trump thread, I'm honestly afraid that we might be on the cusp of the end of America as we know it. May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts.

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    Roe v Wade was a non-partisan decision. If this goes before the Supreme Court, hopefully clearer heads will prevail

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    And, what's REALLY fucking crazy, is that the bible doesn't mention any sort of specific law against abortion. There are verses that people use to claim that it does, in a vague way, but, there are also verses which SUPPORT abortion.

    I've a friend who is a DoC minister, and, he is VEHEMENTLY opposed to this abortion ban bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    And, what's REALLY fucking crazy, is that the bible doesn't mention any sort of specific law against abortion. There are verses that people use to claim that it does, in a vague way, but, there are also verses which SUPPORT abortion.
    "The life of the flesh is in the blood" (Leviticus 17:11) is the one that I remember from the top of my head, due to it having been interpreted in my Christian school as being anti-abortion because the fetus develops its own bloodstream at some point. It is extremely vague because I don't think the concept of abortion even existed to most people in Jesus' time or before.

    "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is another one I heard being used to justify opposing abortion, even though there have conveniently been numerous exceptions to the rule.

    Basically, the "pro-life" people tend to be evangelicals who cherry-pick Bible verses to justify their views.

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    Remember Exodus 21: 22-23?
    “If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she has a miscarriage, and there is no serious injury (to the WOMAN,) the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. "

    So, that's 22. 23 goes on to say that, if the WOMAN is harmed, it's eye for eye and tooth for tooth.

    This, to me, shows that the unborn child was NOT considered a person: otherwise, the person who causes the woman to miscarry would be a murderer. Instead, the person causing the miscarriage is only expected to pay a fine. But if the WOMAN is killed, then the person who bumped into her is killed. The woman is a person, the fetus is not.

    There are more verses like this, that show the OPPOSITE of the right wing evangelical view.

    You're absolutely right about the cherry picking.



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    And in a bit of positive news, a federal judge just blocked a ban in Mississippi!
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/24/polit...dge/index.html

    Only time will tell if other bans get blocked anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    And, what's REALLY fucking crazy, is that the bible doesn't mention any sort of specific law against abortion. There are verses that people use to claim that it does, in a vague way, but, there are also verses which SUPPORT abortion.

    I've a friend who is a DoC minister, and, he is VEHEMENTLY opposed to this abortion ban bullshit.
    Count me as another Christian in ministry who is absolutely disgusted with this. Abortion has been documented in early Greece, Rome and Egypt. It almost certainly existed in the time that Jesus Christ was thought to have been alive (although it would have looked far different). If it were the heinous crime that it is currently thought to be by political conservatives, then why wasn't it mentioned in the Gospels or Epistles?

    I honestly think that the reason this is all happening now is because the GOP caught wind of how they overplayed their hand with some of their evangelical base. I follow a lot of stuff from Christian culture every week, and after the first year of Trump's presidency, I saw quite a few articles from theologically conservative Christians (and would call themselves pro-life) who were questioning the GOP's stance on abortion. Because after all: at one point in the Presidency they held all the power to tear down legal abortion if they wanted to, and they didn't make any significant moves until just recently. It confused a lot of evangelicals. Add in the children in cages, add in some of the other immigration policies that would potentially make adoption harder, add in Republican politicians getting their mistresses pregnant and trying to get abortions and...well. They were pissed. They were finally beginning to see the hypocrisy of it all.

    More than a few of them finally woke up and realized that the majority of Republicans don't give a lick about saving babies at all. They realized that the GOP was just using abortion as bait to whip evangelicals into a frothing frenzy, and a not-insignificant portion of these pro-life evangelicals are done with the Republican party and have written about it online. GOPer's keep tabs on the pulse of evangelical America, because typically that's their most faithful voting base. I feel like this is the Republican hail-mary pass because they know the ship is sinking and are trying to whip the base up again in a last ditch effort to retain power.

    It's been very odd and depressing to observe all this from where I sit. I have a child with severe disabilities, we could have aborted late term due to their severity, but obviously chose not to. A lot of people want to use us as some sort of shining beacon of pro-life ethics, and we are SO uncomfortable with that for a number of reasons and slap it down hard when it comes up. I'm still not sure why we made that decision (not that I re-think my choice on this. We love our daughter the way she is.) but I'm highly aware that this is a HARD life that we chose.

    But that's just it: we got to make a choice. I just want other women to be able to make a choice too. And these anti-abortion efforts are bound to hurt women who already have the least amount of choices in life; marginalized women who already get too many options taken away from them. But that seems to be sort of the point, doesn't it?

    Anyway, that comment kind of got away from me there. But yeah, sucks bad.

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    I stated this in that other religion thread and I’ll repeat it, here:

    These abortion bans aren’t really about Jesus or God or babies.

    They’re about maintaining the white majority.

    Exhibit A: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-a...nsus-projects/

    Exhibit B: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/17/u...-decrease.html
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    https://www.thecut.com/2019/05/embry...7j9dKP9-YR7hs0

    Should be required reading before anyone gets to vote on anything regarding abortions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    https://www.thecut.com/2019/05/embry...7j9dKP9-YR7hs0

    Should be required reading before anyone gets to vote on anything regarding abortions.
    This is excellent, thank you.

    I actually HOPE this gets argued before the higher courts.

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