Lil Nas X samples 34 Ghosts IV - Old Town Road

[cdm]

That said, I'm not going to sit here and have it implied that I'm a racist simply because I don't like a song by ONE black artist, as if that means I'm condemning black music and black people as a whole.

No one is saying you're racist because you dislike the song. They're pointing out the racism in your justification. I don't know if you purposely used a racial stereotype to justify why you don't like the song but your defensiveness isn't a good look. One way to deal with it is: "oh wow, you're right, I never thought of it that way." The other is to do what you're doing.

I'll leave this here: https://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/coon/

[Reznor2112]

@leviathan any chance of closing this to not further the crap? lol

[BRoswell]

@leviathan any chance of closing this to not further the crap? lol

Yes, please close this shitstorm of nothingness already. This conversation has been ridiculous.

[ricardo]

Yeah just close this thread. Censorship is the way to go.

[Leviathant]

Y'all can also just stop posting and stoking each other's fires. Sheesh.

I think it's amazing how all this came about. Dude buys a beat anonymously from another kid in the Netherlands, thinking it sounded country. Sings a goofy thing about horses and releases it on YouTube with Red Dead Redemption footage. TikTok blows it up too, and for all the bellyaching about who gets credit and who gets paid, Lil Nas X got signed by Columbia Records (who hooked him up with Billy Ray Cyrus - amazing) You may remember Columbia Records as the company that put out albums such as Hesitation Marks and Welcome Oblivion. If you're worried about credit or payment, I think you can rest easy tonight knowing that Trent & Atticus show up as writers on all the streaming services, and that they all share a business partner.

I for one hope that Trent and Atticus show up in the video as the backing band.

I'm sure 16-year-old me would die inside at the prospect of Trent Reznor being in a video with Billy Ray Cyrus for a rap song, but it's also not 1996 and I don't live in a tiny central Pennsylvania town. Old Town Road is absurd magic.

[Patrick_Nicholas]

Funny how we're fighting over a NIN song being sampled in a song most of us wouldn't care exists if it weren't for the NIN sample. I don't think I've seen anyone bring up "Gunshots by Computer" to defend the idea of NIN songs being sampled in rap songs... though some may argue that it doesn't count because it's "officially" a NIN remix by a less mainstream rapper whose then-current album was produced by TR (not to mention it still being a better song by far even if it wasn't an "official" NIN remix).


The only reason why the song is a number 1 hit has literally nothing to do with NIN. Contemporary hip hop fans seem to disagree with Billboard's definition of country, even though the mainstream seems to have a broad definition of "rock" these days (then again: so did some academics in 2008/09 due to 34 being Grammy-nominated for best rock instrumental, though it lost to a Frank Zappa TRIBUTE recording by his son). We are a vocal minority, and I'm pretty sure most of us are vocal on these things mainly on this forum.

Also, let's not underestimate the power of a certain country singer whose daughter is the only reason why he isn't being dismissed as just a one-hit wonder. Though I would be very surprised if Lil Nas X turns out to NOT be a one-hit wonder within the next few years.

...but I don't think it diminishes the overall effect of hearing a Trent and Atticus composition in a song that just dethroned Ariana Grande from the #1 spot on Billboard. That's a huge accomplishment. If all of the proper credits are given and rights are secured, what else is there to gripe about?

Aside from this particular song being worse than the worst Ariana song? At least she has a nice voice. Go ahead and judge me!

[ltrandazzo]

Aside from this particular song being worse than the worst Ariana song? At least she has a nice voice. Go ahead and judge me!

thank u, next

[Patrick_Nicholas]

...Though I would be very surprised if Lil Nas X turns out to NOT be a one-hit wonder within the next few years...

Okay, I was wrong. LNX is now officially not a one-hit wonder, thanks in part to one of the most popular mainstream rappers at the moment. He has two new top 40 hits, while OTR is still sticking to the top. His EP shows that he's not exactly the greatest poet of all time, but no worse than most other mainstream rappers currently dominating the charts and media (and still better than some of them, such as 6ix9ine).
https://headlineplanet.com/home/2019...-panini-rodeo/

[eachpassingphase]

Okay, I was wrong. LNX is now officially not a one-hit wonder, thanks in part to one of the most popular mainstream rappers at the moment. He has two new top 40 hits, while OTR is still sticking to the top. His EP shows that he's not exactly the greatest poet of all time, but no worse than most other mainstream rappers currently dominating the charts and media (and still better than some of them, such as 6ix9ine).
https://headlineplanet.com/home/2019...-panini-rodeo/

I'm not into his music at all, but the guy is hilarious on twitter and seems to be enjoying his spotlight in the most wholesome way possible. I kind of want him to do well anyway, because he's so friggen likeable.

[buzburbank]

This is a great find. It just popped up on my kid's Spotify playlist, of all places.

2 thoughts:

If this is the first time Ghosts has been sampled, I'm surprised it took so long.

And, given the iterative nature of hip hop, I'd be equally surprised if it's not the first of many.

[Jon]

If this is the first time Ghosts has been sampled, I'm surprised it took so long.

And, given the iterative nature of hip hop, I'd be equally surprised if it's not the first of many.

1 Ghosts I
Giallo by Shitao (2008)


12 Ghosts II
Mr. Nice Guy by Foxx Bodii (2016)


13 Ghosts II
Snow by XXXTENTACION feat. Killstation (2016)
Thirteen Ghosts by Zenji (2016)


15 Ghosts II
Bioshock Halloween by Chatwithaninja (2007) [2007?!]


30 Ghosts IV
Saddam Hussein Told to Stand from Saddam Hussein's Trial (2006) [no clue what this is]


34 Ghosts IV
Old Town Road by Lil Nas X (2018)


35 Ghosts IV
A Familiar Taste by Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross (2010)

[Erneuert]

30 Ghosts IV
Saddam Hussein Told to Stand from Saddam Hussein's Trial (2006) [no clue what this is]

"30 Ghosts IV" samples:

• Saddam Hussein's Trial Verdict, on Nov. 5, 2006

30 Ghosts IV

This piece begins with a beat in 7/4 time, modified from Saddam Hussein's trial verdict.


It’s basically the sound of Saddam hitting the table from his trial video, along with some background noise of people talking in the room. Really interesting sample.

[Jinsai]

This reminds me of the time chiptune enthusiasts and “video game culture” people got mad when Wiz Kalifa sampled Chrono Trigger...

[deadwinterskies]

The fuck's a trap beat anyways?

[zecho]

The fuck's a trap beat anyways?

Heavy bass kicks, rapid hi-hats, and syncopated rhythm. Currently the most popular sound in hip-hop.

[deadwinterskies]

Heavy bass kicks, rapid hi-hats, and syncopated rhythm. Currently the most popular sound in hip-hop.

I see. My interest in keeping up with hip hop died around the time 2Pac and Biggie did.

[zecho]

I see. My interest in keeping up with hip hop died around the time 2Pac and Biggie did.

You should give it another shot. It went through a period of stagnation in the gangsta era, but it's back to being interesting, although trap may not be the best example of that.

[Patrick_Nicholas]

You should give it another shot. It went through a period of stagnation in the gangsta era, but it's back to being interesting, although trap may not be the best example of that.

It's hard to tell that hip hop is getting better when rappers like 6ix9ine and Lil Pump are making KANYE appear as a poetic genius. I think the rap thread needs to be revived to make it easier to locate the better rappers of recent years.

That being said: As embarrassing as it is to drag NIN into this scene, I have to give Lil Nas X some props for not taking himself too seriously. He seems to be aware that OTR is just a stupid novelty song he did for the fun of it, and is simply making the most of his 15 minutes of fame. Only time will tell what becomes of the album he's working on.

[bobbie solo]

I see. My interest in keeping up with hip hop died around the time 2Pac and Biggie did.

well I know you would at least like this:

[Deadwing Watershed]

Has it ever crossed your oh my god so advanced mind that maybe black people simply don't like NIN that much? lol

In my opinion, seeing racism in basically everything is worse for the cause than treating the real cases of racism with the proper punishment and ignoring the rest (which is a bunch of animalistic semi-humans acting stupid). Feel free to disagree, to say I have no idea what I'm talking about, whatever, say it, get it off your chest! I am against any censorhip (not the case for some people here).

Popping in to say this post is stupid as all fuck. Guess my homeboy's ex, my mom, and myself gotta throw away our NIN ticket stubs in merch now since we apparently don't rock with NIN that much according to you. Also, excellent job of outing yourself by going the "y'all see racism in everything and like it's so bad/everyone sucks" route my guy. Haven't heard that one before

I see. My interest in keeping up with hip hop died around the time 2Pac and Biggie did.

Also popping in to say this post is mad dusty and shows exuberant laziness. If you can keep up with Trent over the years, you can keep up with rap/music in general. Too many new dope artists out there like Jpegmafia, J.I.D., Denzel Curry, Lizzo, Little Simz, Injury Reserve, Clipping, City Morgue, etc. to listen to instead of reminiscing and being stuck in the past on some "good 'ol days" curmudgeon shit

[eversonpoe]

Popping in to say this post is stupid as all fuck. Guess my homeboy's ex, my mom, and myself gotta throw away our NIN ticket stubs in merch now since we apparently don't rock with NIN that much according to you. Also, excellent job of outing yourself by going the "y'all see racism in everything and like it's so bad/everyone sucks" route my guy. Haven't heard that one before


Also popping in to say this post is mad dusty and shows exuberant laziness. If you can keep up with Trent over the years, you can keep up with rap/music in general. Too many new dope artists out there like Jpegmafia, J.I.D., Denzel Curry, Lizzo, Little Simz, Injury Reserve, Clipping, City Morgue, etc. to listen to instead of reminiscing and being stuck in the past on some "good 'ol days" curmudgeon shit

this is the best first post i've ever seen anyone make on this board. welcome!

also, lizzo is fucking amazing​.

[bobbie solo]

Also popping in to say this post is mad dusty and shows exuberant laziness. If you can keep up with Trent over the years, you can keep up with rap/music in general. Too many new dope artists out there like Jpegmafia, J.I.D., Denzel Curry, Lizzo, Little Simz, Injury Reserve, Clipping, City Morgue, etc. to listen to instead of reminiscing and being stuck in the past on some "good 'ol days" curmudgeon shit

Here's something from Denzel Curry that most everyone on this board can get behind (adds a nice little extra verse in there too):



and this is his newest single. It's dope:

[deadwinterskies]

Also popping in to say this post is mad dusty and shows exuberant laziness. If you can keep up with Trent over the years, you can keep up with rap/music in general. Too many new dope artists out there like Jpegmafia, J.I.D., Denzel Curry, Lizzo, Little Simz, Injury Reserve, Clipping, City Morgue, etc. to listen to instead of reminiscing and being stuck in the past on some "good 'ol days" curmudgeon shit

Cool story, bro.

[SM Rollinger]

Aesop Rock and Die Antwoord is about all I listen to as far as rap goes these days.

Unless I want to kick it old school then I'll throw The Cronic on, STILL one of the best rap records of all time.

[Max]

The second half of Run the Jewels III is my go to. I am usually not into hip hop but it’s amazing.

Saul Williams is hard to classify, but he’s definitely tangential at least to the genre and he is a complete genius.

Kendrick Lamar’s To Pimp a Butterfly is great and inspired Bowie’s Blackstar in part, which in turn inspired Bad Witch musically.

I think it’s the same as it’s always been. A lot of the most popular most mainstream stuff is it our thing, but it doesn’t mean there isn’t really great music being made. Just have to hear about it.

[NotoriousTIMP]

All I can keep thinking about is how many planets had to align for this to become #1. I don't mean that in a bad way at all, but when you think about all the steps in the process and the medium of it's release, it was the perform storm so to speak. I'm happy for all parties involved as this is pretty neat to see happen without the backing of a major label.

[Max]

popping in to say this post is stupid as all fuck. Guess my homeboy's ex, my mom, and myself gotta throw away our nin ticket stubs in merch now since we apparently don't rock with nin that much according to you. Also, excellent job of outing yourself by going the "y'all see racism in everything and like it's so bad/everyone sucks" route my guy. Haven't heard that one before


also popping in to say this post is mad dusty and shows exuberant laziness. If you can keep up with trent over the years, you can keep up with rap/music in general. Too many new dope artists out there like jpegmafia, j.i.d., denzel curry, lizzo, little simz, injury reserve, clipping, city morgue, etc. To listen to instead of reminiscing and being stuck in the past on some "good 'ol days" curmudgeon shit

yes.

[Erneuert]

[snaapz]

I saw this thread a couple of weeks ago... Then this past weekend I decided to check out the Spotify Global Top 50.

This was unexpected...


#2 and over FOUR MILLION plays PER DAY?

AND

#3 and over THREE MILLION plays PER DAY!?


I don't share the hatred for this mix, and I can even dig it a little bit.

What's the big deal.

[Sarah K]

Started following this kid on Instagram, and he's pretty funny and takes all of the random hate in stride. He's so young - hopefully he can transition this into some more long-term success as he grows.

Edit - and holy shit, I just realized who he is from Twitter! Same username, but I didn't connect the dots until I just saw one of his tweets with the familiar avatar. I'm not a big twitter user, but he's been popular on there for a long time. His shit is always getting posted in various places on reddit, which is where I've seen them for the most part. Putting this together makes me love this now!