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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBang View Post
    Short review confirming Sunday, Nov. 12, 1995 for The Edge, Orlando:

    https://stars.library.ucf.edu/cgi/vi...lfloridafuture
    Great scan ! Thanks my "partner".

    I added some 1994 reviews todays. Still have some to add later.

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    Thanks for all the info y'all!

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    Hi dear community,

    i'm more than proud to announce that a first (but not last) big step had been done on the website.

    I have added nearly all sure setlist of all years.
    I decided to trust setlist after 2000 even without records. I refused to add older setlist without a record or a valid proof.

    I have probably some date still missing but this is nearly ok.

    Having the database full, I can now have fun with datas.

    For example :
    https://happinessinheresy.com/comple...songs-by-year/
    complete list of songs played live. Click on a song and you will have shows details with lenght and maybe some comment about this song and this particular show

    I have the same for songs by regular albums :
    https://happinessinheresy.com/nin-albums-by-years/


    As nearly all the dates are in the database, you can also have, for example, the list of all shows in Ohio, all shows in Philadelphia, or even all shows in Madison square garden venue. In fact, you can have a list by country / state / city / venue. I'm also working on venue branding so you will still have the list even if the branding change

    You can also have all shows by all NIN members / guests.

    here are the next big steps (any help more than welcome) :

    1) adding newspaper clips. Already a little less than 900 clips but I have a LOT to add !
    2) adding ticket / poster : huge work
    3) adding records. At the end you will be able to list all IEM / audience / soundboard records, or NIN crew record or Ryan J. also able to list all 5 stars records. record at ounce ! I even wonder If I make DAT / MD / tape difference but it would be probably too much.
    4) adding comments about songs that have something to say
    5) adding Trent speeches : even a "thank you" is something to add !
    6) Adding the possibility to fans to adding their name and even a comment about this live experience
    7) and more and more
    Last edited by CAMEO172; 10-16-2019 at 06:37 AM.

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    awesome work.

    One tiny little thing regarding the dallas shows in 94 and 95: that venue is called Fair Park Coliseum, as opposed to State Fair Coliseum

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    awesome work.

    One tiny little thing regarding the dallas shows in 94 and 95: that venue is called Fair Park Coliseum, as opposed to State Fair Coliseum
    thanks a lot for having find this mistake ! I have changed the name
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    More than 1k press articles right now.
    It's now not easy for me to find new articles between 1989 and 1995..
    I still have a lot to add for more recent years. Probably a 1 month work

    A new page emerged :
    https://happinessinheresy.com/press-...by-newspapers/
    you can see by newspapers name, the article written about live concert dates. It's quite easier to check if an article is already inside or not if you know the newspapers and the release date

    And you still have :
    https://happinessinheresy.com/nin-live-press/
    which included all press article regarding to all dates



    I do hope having new scans from everyone

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    Great work. Love reading the review from my first concert, back in 1994. Apparently, the writer, was not a fan. LOL https://happinessinheresy.com/nine-i...ember-20-1994/

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    Here is a poster for JAMC on Jan. 27 and 28, 1990 in Seattle and Portland:

    https://concertposterart.com/product...concert-poster

    The image of the poster is not very big, so I asked the seller if it said NIN anywhere on it, and he confirmed that it did not. Not definitive proof one way or the other, but at least it doesn't show that NIN were solicited on the poster for those shows.

    Also, I found a newspaper mention of the April 5, 1990 concert at the end of an album review:

    https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/digi...mpost/id/24886

    Also, if you search through the UWM Post archives, it looks like there are a lot of NIN articles, several of which probably pertain to concerts (I did not go through any of them):

    https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/digi...20inch%20nails

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    One month since the last update info here.

    A really lot of news. here we go.

    The structure of the site is now clear. For each show :

    0) venues/cities are probably ok. I also add venue picture when there is a NIN sign/date. festival name is also included. I'm also checking if the show is sold out or not (only according to press article for the moment). I have also manage leg's name of each part.
    1) Songs played if known including time lenghts. songs and time lenght is finished. After a huge work for songs comments and trent speech between songs
    2) Song stats for fun. this part is finished
    3) Line up including guests. this part is finished
    4) All show or tour posters including variants. this part is finished or nearly. need scans for new posters
    5) Show ticket. I have added some.. not my priority at this time
    6) Video records. I have prepared my php sheet for quick adding, just have to add them now. This is a 2/3 months work
    7) Audio records. I have prepared my php sheet for quick adding, just have to add them now. This is a 2/3 months work
    8) Goodies. mainly show or tour T-shirt. 10% done. This is a 2 weeks work I think. I add one or two goodies each day
    9) Press articles. A did a HUGE part from my major sources. More than 1500 articles including great reviews now in the database. every day I want to still add some articles. I still have some sources to check.
    10) Setlist papers and other kind of live papers. This is a 2 weeks work. I add one or two each day
    11) Live pictures of the show. I'm working on this now mainly with pro photo after 2005 or good picture before 2005. This is at least a 3 months work.
    12) Fans at the show. I don't prepare the code for this part. I need a strong registration part for security reason against spam. The idea here is having human interactions, not only a list of name. This is a 3 days development and I will probably need one or two beta test people.

    A lot of change in pages here and there. Still have a lot of esthetic work.
    You can have the shows list for each kind of element. I still have to add each list of show without element.

    One of my only question is decided if I add opening/headliner bands info. I will probably later, this is not my priority.

    I have also a little work about dates without infos : i have to adding them as unsure. There are probably 20/30 dates to add, mainly between 1989 and 1994. I will do this one night in a few weeks.
    Last edited by CAMEO172; 12-05-2019 at 05:07 AM.

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    Nice, I noticed some of the new sorting and search options when I was on the site last week. That's a lot of work!

    BTW, the source for this cancellation:

    https://happinessinheresy.com/nine-i...ugust-29-1991/

    is that the event promoter actually reached out to @ninlive to provide him some ticket stubs and also let him know that that one date was cancelled due to Trent's voice.

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    I hope it's appropriate to ask this question here, I wasn't sure where to put it. I'm trying to figure out something for the NIN wiki. On our Lollapalooza wiki page, it says at the top of the page that the tour started on July 3. There doesn't appear to be any mention of a July 3 Lollapalooza date anywhere on the internet except nintourhistory.com, where it mentions a July 3 date in Chicago at an unknown venue and it even has a setlist. Can anyone shed some light on this?
    Last edited by piggy; 12-21-2019 at 05:08 PM.

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    I have access to Chicago Tribune archive. Check on this page (https://happinessinheresy.com/press-...by-newspapers/) you will see they indicated nearly all NIN Chicago dates !

    I have check carefully in the beginning of July/end of June 1991 and can't find anything. It doesn't mean it didn't exist by the way.

    At this time I prefer adding no date (even unsure) and of course no setlist !
    Last edited by CAMEO172; 12-23-2019 at 08:55 AM.

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    I'm willing to bet there was a typo involved at some point in some source, because there's an August 3rd Lollapalooza date in Chicago that's definitely real.
    Last edited by fillow; 12-23-2019 at 01:57 AM.

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    Ah, didn't even notice the Chicago date in August. That might be what happened.

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    That's exactly what happened. A recording of the Aug. 3 date circulated for years with an erroneous July 3 date listed on it:

    https://gladcarrot.com/common_mislabels.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by piggy View Post
    I hope it's appropriate to ask this question here, I wasn't sure where to put it. I'm trying to figure out something for the NIN wiki. On our Lollapalooza wiki page, it says at the top of the page that the tour started on July 3. There doesn't appear to be any mention of a July 3 Lollapalooza date anywhere on the internet except nintourhistory.com, where it mentions a July 3 date in Chicago at an unknown venue and it even has a setlist. Can anyone shed some light on this?
    I've been updating nin.wiki with all the corrections that we've been researching and uncovering here. So, for dates 1995 and earlier, you should consider nin.wiki and happinessinheresy.com the most correct sources. I've submitted a lot of the changes to nintourhistory.com, but most have not been acted upon. As a result, it still contains a lot of the inaccuracies propagated from NIN Historian.

    I've also submitted most of the changes to setlist.fm, so that is reasonably accurate now, but there are a few things that I have not been able to get them to accept, so there is still some known bad data there.

    Regarding nin.wiki, while I have been correcting all the listings in the tables for each individual tour, I have not been making any corrections to text bodies (as you noticed), or to things like the Duration date ranges (for example, on http://www.nin.wiki/Tour), so if there have been dates added to or removed from the ends, those might not be accurate. I also have not made any corrections to individual tour date pages (if they exist), so if there were any corrections to dates, venue names, or cities made in the tables, that might not be reflected in the text body of corresponding article.

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    I try to have HIH as accurate as possible on venue/date/city/setlist ! I'm doing updates every day so if something is wrong, I act quickly !
    Never forget I don't really care of any other list and this list came from nothing. I can't add false informations because I only add informations with proofs.

    Huge first live photos update last week (from 50 pictures to more than 1700 now, mainly on official NIN pics) and I'm doing live T-shirt updates at this time, before adding more live pictures in 2020.

    According to live T-shirts, I also update tour leg names and cut them more accurately. 2005 tour seems nearly perfect this way for exemple (i just wonder for the 4th last December shows).

    I also found a few press articles : nothing great but some infos here or there I will add before new eve.

    I still have to add unsure but probably accurate dates (meaning dates here or there I can't find any little clue but that seems acceptable). There are some Australian 94 dates and probably something like twenty dates between 1989 and 1994. After 1995, it seems nearly perfect now on venue/date/city.
    Adding these dates are importante so you can focus on them for seeking clues.
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    Ok, I fixed that thing on the NIN wiki Lollapalooza page. Thanks, folks.

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    Hi,

    Here is a new update post, probably one of the last :

    Since the last month :

    - 2 or 3 COMPLETLY new dates with proofs : quite proud of this as this is mainly pre 1991 dates ! You can't imagine how I'm seeking everywhere, sometime with just a little incomplet info ! (thanks to nin_historian it helps)
    - a lot of T-shirt / live photo / poster / ticket / setlist paper added. still have work for setlist and ticket, not poster. I still have to find some event 2018 t shirts
    - I still have to add audio/video for each show. It gonna be my priority in a few days
    - some press added, maybe 30 articles.. still have some work




    I need some people for debug/feedback actions :
    - the member area is now open : you can sign in and add your own review for your own NIN shows. Being a member is the only security way. It gonna build your own page with a sum up, stats and info ! I will need one or two feedbacks, just to be sure everything is working well and make it better for everyone if needed. This is the step before going further.

    Exemple :
    1) https://happinessinheresy.com/nine-i...-june-24-2018/ : you can see my own RAH review
    2) click on my name (https://happinessinheresy.com/nine-i...t/fans/arnaud/) and this my own page with infos

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAMEO172 View Post
    Hi,
    I need some people for debug/feedback actions :
    - the member area is now open : you can sign in and add your own review for your own NIN shows. Being a member is the only security way. It gonna build your own page with a sum up, stats and info ! I will need one or two feedbacks, just to be sure everything is working well and make it better for everyone if needed. This is the step before going further.

    Exemple :
    1) https://happinessinheresy.com/nine-i...-june-24-2018/ : you can see my own RAH review
    2) click on my name (https://happinessinheresy.com/nine-i...t/fans/arnaud/) and this my own page with infos

    No-one is interested in this feature ?
    I would love to know why !

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