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    Yes. Looks much better now.

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    I think this may be of interest:



    Also pinging @ninlive if he would like to screenshot some ticket stubs and other random info.

    This was previously seeded on Bowie Station as shitty quality scans of b/w version of this book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fillow View Post
    I think this may be of interest:

    Also pinging @ninlive if he would like to screenshot some ticket stubs and other random info.
    Good stuff in here. FYI, there is a PDF of it linked in the YouTube description

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    So, I've updated the tour date listings with all the latest corrections on NIN Wiki, NIN Live, Setlist.fm, and Wikipedia. The only major places that still have a lot of the old, incorrect information are NIN Historian (will never be updated) and NIN Tour History (has ignored most of my submissions).

    Here is what I see as the major remaining issues that need more information or clarification:

    1990/01/28 Portland, OR Pine Street Theatre - Did NIN open? Probably not, but will we be able to find out for sure?
    1990/04/04 Phantasy - Cleveland OH - Was there a 2nd date? I'm inclined to say know, but I can't figure out why NIN Historian would say there was.
    1990/04/21 Manhattan College - New York, NY - Though we're fairly confident it happened, it would be nice to get newspaper confirmation for this. May only be possible by visiting the Manhattan College library for physical archives of the student newspaper.
    1990/07/24 Bermudas - Milwaukee, WI - Was this a NIN/MBM show or just a MBM side show? This should be eminently knowable as soon as we get access to the newspapers.
    1994/03/27 After Dark, Honolulu, HI - Did the 2nd show really happen? No solicitations. I know someone who worked security for this show. We talked about it when he saw me wearing a NIN shirt. I just need to look up his contact info and ask him if he remembers if there were 2 shows.
    1995/11/11 St. Petersburg, FL Jannus Landing - Did this happen as scheduled?
    1995/11/27 Corpus Christi, TX Cantina Santa Fe - I think this date is very fake, but how to confirm?

    1988 dates - I don't know if we'll ever know everything about these dates.
    1989 dates - I don't know if we'll ever know everything about these dates.

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    1) 1990/01/28 : the only chance is having a review on newspaper.. probably impossible. But i'm also nearly sure this is a wrong date
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    1990/04/04 : don't even list it as I don't have any info.. may add this date as unsure
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    1990/04/21 : maybe one day the studen newspaper will be online
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    1990/07/24 : no idea about his date
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    1994/03/27 : Honolulu Star Bulletin in 2007 seems clear about two dates. i do remember a long article i can't find anymore and talking about two dates. for me this is nearly sure.
    6) 1995/11/11 & 1995/11/27 : will probably add this date as unsure, just to keep the info. This is nearly impossible to find infos on newspapers. a ticket would be great

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBang View Post
    1995/11/11 St. Petersburg, FL Jannus Landing - Did this happen as scheduled?
    We have no reason to think that it didn't. I just put that bit saying "(show went on as planned?)" simply for keeping track of what we know and don't know. I should probably take it off.

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    I remember being at work & calling everyone I knew in Orlando trying in vain to get a ticket to The Edge in '95. I was living in Tampa & would have likely heard about a local show in St.Pete before Orlando.

    That said, I thought I did some research looking through the Tampa Tribune/Times... but that may have been for another topic. Alas, with the Covid-19 lockdown none of our physical library resources are available & I can't seem to find any freebie sites at the moment.

    *edit* Here's the post: #5463 Sadly, there doesn't seem to be an archive for local versions of Creative Loafing.
    Last edited by FULLMETAL; 04-25-2020 at 06:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piggy View Post
    We have no reason to think that it didn't. I just put that bit saying "(show went on as planned?)" simply for keeping track of what we know and don't know. I should probably take it off.
    Given everything that happened on that Florida leg, it’s probably better to get some kind of proof than assume that anything happened according to the original plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by FULLMETAL View Post
    I remember being at work & calling everyone I knew in Orlando trying in vain to get a ticket to The Edge in '95. I was living in Tampa & would have likely heard about a local show in St.Pete before Orlando.

    [...]

    *edit* Here's the post: #5463 Sadly, there doesn't seem to be an archive for local versions of Creative Loafing.
    ^^^ Case in point, it seems there’s a very real possibility that it didn’t happen.

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    Good points, all.

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    if this sounds naive or you've thought of it already, then I apologize. Any attempts to reach out to someone who was in the NIN orbit proper back then? Management, booking agent, label folk, etc? Some people here are plugged in directly to the NIN camp in some small ways. If there ever was a time that someone might be willing to give out some help on a such harmless topic, now would be it.

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    Every band should a member with a nerd level of Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater. The guy actually kept track of setlists for every show they ever played since 1988 or so, and posted all this data online when internet became a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post
    if this sounds naive or you've thought of it already, then I apologize. Any attempts to reach out to someone who was in the NIN orbit proper back then? Management, booking agent, label folk, etc? Some people here are plugged in directly to the NIN camp in some small ways. If there ever was a time that someone might be willing to give out some help on a such harmless topic, now would be it.
    Wow, you actually got me to remember Souix Zimmerman (SouixZ). She's done PR for NIN forever. She started in PR at TVT, and Trent in his tweets mentioned she was the one who booked them on Dance Party USA in 1989. After that she founded Formula PR and then Magnum PR, and to this day, I think she's still doing PR for NIN at UG Strategies after they acquired Magnum PR. I have some weak second order connections to her on Facebook, but nothing that I'm comfortable exploiting. Does anyone have any direct links or relationship to her?

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    I'm in touch for some (maybe) infos about the sonic NY.

    Last infos for a first chat :

    "Sure, SONIC or SONIC's was a short-lived club on the western end of West 21st street in the Chelsea neighborhood of Manhattan. I was interning at SPIN at the time, and had latched onto a promo CD of PRETTY HATE MACHINE early before its release. So, when I heard they were playing, I was game to check them out. The club, at the time, was fairly cheesy The walls and interior decor were printed to look like the surface of the moon, for some inexplicable reason. NIN put on a typically great show. Shortly afterwards, Sonic changed hands and the venue became a much cooler venture called The Marquee, where it lasted for about two or three years. After that, it became Latino dance club, then a theatre, then an art gallery. Then it was torn down, and condo was built over its footprint."

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    I'm (quite slowly) working on support acts of NIN shows (including festival for fun).

    A few first remarks :

    - I can't find any echo of Chemlab in 1990/1991. Each time there is a link between NIN and Chemlab, NIN_historian is in the middle.. but can we trust him for this very particular infos. I have reviews of some of these shows, a quite good proof when the support acts is written

    - Club Nu July 03 1990 seems to be the very first Marilyn Manson support act with NIN. It even seems a demo tape was given to trent (according to the MM wiki). At this time, I don't know if MBM was a second support act. MM seems to play after 10 pm and that's probably why NIN played after midnight after a little late debut of MM and stage switch. This is another reason proving July 04 Club Nu didn't exist.
    It proove great work made by The Bang about 1990 dates. I will check again according to support acts. Doing this (on free support) I have found a probably cancelled date on march 16. the switch between JAMC and Peter murphy leg isn't so clear as NIN is indicated for both of them for the march 16 show (but the Peter murphy seems older ad and JAMC after) !

    - a lot of mistakes in setlist.fm. NINJA tour always add The dillinger escape plan as support act. It seems to be Street Sweeper Social Club
    This is really strange having such mistake for not so old gigs.. Or I miss something..

    - I'm still wonder which band had shared the more shows with NIN. This is probably The Jesus and Mary Chain. i still don't have the count as 2018 isn't clear for me but there are more than 60 dates for sure ! But Marilyn Manson isn't too far (more or less 65 dates) and The Jim Rose Circus too (probably around 70).

    - where have you found support act for European 1994 dates / japan dates ? really not easy to find.

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    Here's a post about someone seeing Chemlab open for NIN at Stardust Ballroom:

    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....A/kqvoh-ghNecJ

    That would have been 1991-02-05 and 1991-02-06, the same general time period NIN Historian is saying they opened.

    There are also references in the old NIN FAQ about Chemlab opening in 1991:

    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....A/kqvoh-ghNecJ

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    Regarding setlist.fm, where does it say DEP as support on NINJA tour? I didn't see any dates that said that.

    Regarding March 16, 1990, this site lists "The Last Laugh" as support act for Peter Murphy:
    http://www.bauhausgigguide.info/gig.php?gid=863

    Now, that site has a fair number of errors, so I wouldn't trust the information 100%. OTOH, however, if you look through the other surrounding dates on that site, most of them don't have support act information added to them. Which means, having "The Last Laugh" listed for Mar. 16 must have had some supporting information basis for adding it, and not just a willy-nilly careless mass editing of information or something like that.

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    The_bang,

    thanks a lot. Once again you are here !

    You gave the same link twice. can you tell me where I can read the old NIN FAQ.

    I can't agree for 1991-02-05 : this is "Fixed Image" on flyer and newspapers.
    no info for 1991-02-05

    since yesterday, if you list shows by legs, I added the bands sharing the stage (support act or headliner, no difference for me).

    For the Sin tour : https://happinessinheresy.com/nine-i...tion/sin-tour/
    Hate tour : https://happinessinheresy.com/nine-i...ion/hate-tour/

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    March 16 1990 : this is 99% sure NIN was with JAMC. They were at boulder with JAMC a very few weeks before and March 16 is a date in Detroit. Definitly greater for NIN ! And newspapers infos is quite "old".. but I found funny that it wasn't really clear or they decided to change at the last time. According to me this is great info for NIN tour history.

    I will search for Peter Murphy newspapers infos in 1990. I'm pretty sure I will find a definitive proof of the change of first act.

    Setlist.fm : i fuck up ! my fault. I prefer ! I mixed my google search with 2014 setlist dates.

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    Sorry, here’s the NIN FAQ:

    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....o/KUZwa4BL2j0J

    i agree for Mar 16 that they were with JAMC. I think plans were being adjusted very last minute as to when they would join Peter Murphy on tour.

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    CAMEO172, if you want an additional project, you can try to find all the Pigface dates that Trent (and Chris, apparently) performed at. I went through newspapers.com and added many early Pigface dates that were missing to setlist.fm (with citations in the comments)

    There isn’t a lot of proof as to which dates they were at, but several newspaper articles said that an upcoming performance of Pigface included “members of ... Nine Inch Nails ...”. We know Trent was at the Metropol date because there’s video. We also know that by the Manray date he had left the tour, because there is a recording of that show and he is not on it.

    Also, the newspaper articles stop touting Nine Inch Nails members at that time, so they could be accurate as to when Trent was appearing. Anyway, I think there could be 2-4 additional Pigface dates during that period that are still missing.

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    Thanks for the link.
    I can't find Plain dealer scan after 1991. That's why this article wasn't in the database. I will add it and maybe one day beeing able to have access of scan.
    I have found this site http://nl.newsbank.com/sites/cpdb/ and I can at least list article dealing with NIN after 1991

    probably need a CPL access at cleveland.. in fact I may need CPL access in nearly everytown in order to check a lot of newspapers

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