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    Copy of indictment here.



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    Those photos remind me of the feelings I had years and years ago when I'd covered a few presidential visits and I thought "wow, what I wouldn't give to actually get to meet one of them in the White House".

    There is literally no amount of money in the world that would get me to set foot in that building now unless it was to watch him get perp-walked out of there.

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    My husband is already SERIOUSLY talking about us flying to D.C. if there are impeachment hearings, so we can be there for it. We'd have to write to our Senators to try to get tickets.

    This is how they handled it for the Clinton impeachment trial; assuming they'll conduct it the same way.
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    As flagged by New York Daily News reporter Michael McAuliff, Parnas in June 2018 contributed $2,700 to McCarthy’s reelection campaign.

    Other filings made with the Federal Elections Commission show that Parnas donated that exact same amount to Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX), who on Thursday was implicated in an indictment of Parnas and his business partner, Igor Fruman.
    Former Texas Rep. Pete Sessions was pushed by Giuliani associates to back effort to eject Ukraine ambassador

    Washington (CNN) Two associates of President Donald Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani pushed former Republican Rep. Pete Sessions to seek the ouster of the US Ambassador to Ukraine at the same time as the associates were helping to bankroll his campaign, according to a federal indictment and campaign finance records.

    The indictment of Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, which was unsealed Thursday, shows how they discussed with Sessions seeking then-US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch's ouster, and are accused of later lying to investigators about illegal campaign contributions.
    The indictment alleges that a "Congressman-1" had been the beneficiary of approximately $3 million in independent expenditures by "Committee-1." Sessions is not named in the indictment and is not charged with any wrongdoing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat Mom View Post
    My husband is already SERIOUSLY talking about us flying to D.C. if there are impeachment hearings, so we can be there for it. We'd have to write to our Senators to try to get tickets.

    This is how they handled it for the Clinton impeachment trial; assuming they'll conduct it the same way.
    I would love to attend. By sheer dumb luck I ended up seeing Ted Kennedy speaking during a family trip to DC when I was a kid and it was something else, even as a youngin'.

    But given that I know it would never happen (by virtue of the lack of tickets), I'd be just as happy to either watch at home with a nice spread and some good drinks, or find a local bar to watch with company. This is all assuming that I'm not on tour at the time and forced to get all my updates via 1:30am recaps on the bus.

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    Who gives a shit about tweets and drama; why the hell do Americans turn a blind eye to this? Like... jesus christ... $8 billion for ONE boat? Is WWIII knocking on your door?

    Like that could pay for over a million kids college tuition, or thousands and thousands of kidney transplants.... or a wall.

    SMH.


    https://lfpress.com/news/world/the-u...c-08b288cd316b

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    The cost of the new Air Force One (we didn't even need one) is now up to over $5.2 billion.

    Meanwhile, the NY Times recently ran a HORRIFYING report about the rampant rise in online child pornography.

    The Justice Department has produced just two of six required reports that are meant to compile data about internet crimes against children and set goals to eliminate them, and there has been a constant churn of short-term appointees leading the department’s efforts. The first person to hold the position, Francey Hakes, said it was clear from the outset that no one “felt like the position was as important as it was written by Congress to be.”

    The federal government has also not lived up to the law’s funding goals, severely crippling efforts to stamp out the activity.

    Congress has regularly allocated about half of the $60 million in yearly funding for state and local law enforcement efforts. Separately, the Department of Homeland Security this year diverted nearly $6 million from its cybercrimes units to immigration enforcement — depleting 40 percent of the units’ discretionary budget until the final month of the fiscal year.
    Why the increase in Navy ships?

    It was one of Trump's big promises.

    The original plans for this type of "stealth" ship date back to 2001.
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    ^ The Dark Web and TOR is fucking disgusting and I made the mistake of "checking out the dark web" thinking it a place to find hacks and recipes, like BBS's were back in the 90s.

    I have no mental health issues but the Dark Web has caused some irreversible damage, don't go to the dark web, not even for 1 minute. Fucking sad world this is. Something is seriously wrong with humans in the 21st century. I won't even go to the pirate bay anymore. Fuck that shit and fuck anonymity on the internet, catch every single fucking one of them.

    I had an old college friend I took fishing last year, in an effort to reconnect, he told me he made a Pi Router and browses the dark web, I didn't ask why or follow up on that conversation, I don't care what his reasons are. I haven't talked to him since and I plan of keeping it that way. Fuck anyone who needs to hide their identity and browse the dark web.

    FireFox said it wants to release a TOR browser for Windows. Fuck that. I'll never risk visiting an onion again.

    Fuck internet anonymity. Fuck the internet.

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    That $8b should go to the FBIs online criminal activity department!
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    There is this blind hero-worship of the military in the States, so they are allowed to run wild and do whatever the fuck they want with their absolutely mind-boggling budget. We don't get a say in that shit.

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    Rick Perry has been subpoenaed by Democrats for documents related to impeachment inquiry

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    Quote Originally Posted by snaapz View Post
    ^ The Dark Web and TOR is fucking disgusting and I made the mistake of "checking out the dark web" thinking it a place to find hacks and recipes, like BBS's were back in the 90s.
    A ton of this stuff is being transmitted via Facebook Messenger, not the “dark web.” This is per the article I linked.

    Quote Originally Posted by snaapz View Post
    That $8b should go to the FBIs online criminal activity department!
    The allocated budget money went to “The Wall.”
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    Speculation about Gillum being on the VP shortlist.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/elizab...president-buzz

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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    I would love to attend. By sheer dumb luck I ended up seeing Ted Kennedy speaking during a family trip to DC when I was a kid and it was something else, even as a youngin'.

    But given that I know it would never happen (by virtue of the lack of tickets), I'd be just as happy to either watch at home with a nice spread and some good drinks, or find a local bar to watch with company. This is all assuming that I'm not on tour at the time and forced to get all my updates via 1:30am recaps on the bus.
    Ted Kennedy, that’s cool.

    Having been in Law for nearly 3 decades, I’ve been involved in literally hundreds of trials, have seen lots too; but I think it would be fascinating to watch a Senate trial because it’s a whole different animal. They hold judicial impeachment trials sometimes but I don’t even know how to find out when those would happen, and they’re still relatively rare, too. Yet, not as rare as a Presidential impeachment trial (only TWO in the country’s history). I’d be thrilled to get to see a SCOTUS Chief Justice preside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat Mom View Post
    The allocated budget money went to “The Wall.”
    Fucking greedy Roger Waters.

    /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarah K View Post
    Speculation about Gillum being on the VP shortlist.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/elizab...president-buzz
    Let's ignore the fact that he took PAC money when he ran for governor. No thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnetic View Post
    Beat me to it. Let's see what happens next.

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    He could try taking it to the supreme court....and guess who owns that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnetic View Post
    He could try taking it to the supreme court....and guess who owns that?
    Since the Defendant is the State of New York, this is also a state’s rights issue. Gorsuch and Roberts are big states rights guys. Contrary to popular belief, nobody "owns" the SCOTUS.

    These Opinions are, IMO, brilliant.

    EDIT: Very confusing via initial media. There are THREE separate court cases that are attempting to get Trump’s tax returns.

    This is the Opinion in the NY case that will be heard in the NY appellate court on Oct. 23.

    This is the Opinion of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit regarding the House obtaining tax records. Trump is likely to file an appeal to the whole D.C. circuit.

    If Kilbourn created any doubt about Congress’s power to conduct legislative investigations, the Supreme Court dispelled that cloud in a pair of cases arising out of alleged corruption in the administration of President Warren G. Harding. In the first, McGrain v. Daugherty, the Court considered a subpoena issued to the brother of then-Attorney General Harry Daugherty for bank records relevant to the Senate’s investigation into the Department of Justice. Concluding that the subpoena was valid, the Court explained that Congress’s “power of inquiry . . . is an essential and appropriate auxiliary to the legislative function,” as “[a] legislative body cannot legislate wisely or effectively in the absence of information respecting the conditions which the legislation is intended to affect or change.” 273 U.S. at 174– 75. It mattered not that the Senate’s authorizing resolution lacked an “avow[al] that legislative action was had in view” because, said the Court, “the subject to be investigated was . . . [p]lainly [a] subject . . . on which legislation could be had” and such legislation “would be materially aided by the information which the investigation was calculated to elicit.” Id. at 176–77 (internal quotation marks omitted). That was enough. Although “[a]n express avowal” of the Senate’s legislative objective “would have been better,” the Court admonished that “the presumption should be indulged that [legislation] was the real object.” Id. at 178.

    Two years later, in Sinclair v. United States, 279 U.S. 263 (1929), the Court echoed many of the same refrains. In this second case, Harry Sinclair, the president of an oil company, appealed his conviction for refusing to answer a Senate committee’s questions regarding his company’s allegedly fraudulent lease on federal oil reserves at Teapot Dome in Wyoming. The Court, acknowledging individuals’ “right to be exempt from all unauthorized, arbitrary or unreasonable inquiries and disclosures in respect of their personal and private affairs,” id. at 292, nonetheless explained that because “[i]t was a matter of concern to the United States,” “the transaction purporting to lease to [Sinclair’s company] the lands within the reserve cannot be said to be merely or principally . . . personal,” id. at 294. The Court also dismissed the suggestion that the Senate was impermissibly conducting a criminal investigation. “It may be conceded that Congress is without authority to compel disclosures for the purpose of aiding the prosecution of pending suits,” explained the Court, “but the authority of that body, directly or through its committees, to require pertinent disclosures in aid of its own constitutional power is not abridged because the information sought to be elicited may also be of use in such suits.” Id. at 295.
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    The dissent is fucking terrifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    The dissent is fucking terrifying.
    I wouldn't call it terrifying; it's interesting, and has some valid arguments related to authority sans impeachment.

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    Opening Statement of Marie L. Yovanovitch to the
    House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on
    Intelligence, Committee on ForeignAffairs, and Committee on
    Oversight and Reform

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    Okay, someone tell me if I've gone crazy.

    Yesterday, AG Barr visits Murdoch and Trump blasts Shepard Smith, one of the only Fox News personalities to regularly fact check Trump, on Twitter.

    Today, Smith has "resigned".

    I hate sounding paranoid, but I don't fucking buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    Okay, someone tell me if I've gone crazy.

    Yesterday, AG Barr visits Murdoch and Trump blasts Shepard Smith, one of the only Fox News personalities to regularly fact check Trump, on Twitter.

    Today, Smith has "resigned".

    I hate sounding paranoid, but I don't fucking buy it.
    Would it be surprising?

    He was pretty open about planning to change the libel laws to allow himself to sue reporters who were critical of him at the start of his presidency.

    He hasn't managed that, whatever he did here was probably the next best thing, in his eyes.

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    US Special Forces caught up in Turkey's invasion.

    https://www.newsweek.com/us-troops-syria-turkey-1464727

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    JFC.
    Exactly what I feared, on top of everything else.

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    Whoa. Shep Smith out at FOX News. Sources all over saying that he just couldn't take it anymore...

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    Well Barr and Murdoch also met recently. Sooo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by october_midnight View Post
    Whoa. Shep Smith out at FOX News. Sources all over saying that he just couldn't take it anymore...
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarah K View Post
    Well Barr and Murdoch also met recently. Sooo.
    Yup, like three posts above this. Don't think anyone paying attention is without their doubts over the official story.

    In other news, Trump yesterday was asked if Rudy was still his attorney. His reply: "well, I don't know."

    So is this the dementia rearing up, or is their a bus undercarriage with Rudy's name on it?
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