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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    he's playing harry's older brother, frank, not actually replacing harry.
    Thanks, that does make much more sense

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    I am taking this in small doses (like e.g. with Black Mirror), and I did not expect Naomi Watts (like her very much, mostly thanks to Stay (2005) which I love) or Richard Chamberlain to appear, good. (googling) Hmm, that Mulholland Drive thing keeps popping out everywhere for me, gotta check it out finally. And no, this is not my first encounter with Lynch, it's just... I don't know... maybe my brain chooses to rather forget about unxplainable stuff? :-)

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    Word on the street is episode 5 leaked earlier in Germany but was quickly pulled....anybody know where it can be found?

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    Soooo...are we all thinking HTDA credits scene?

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    3 episodes in, had enough now. I can see why it would appeal to fans of Lynch's filmography, it has all the hallmarks of an Eraserhead, Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive etc. But as someone who doesn't like narratives less grippable than a frictionless hagfish, there's no appeal.

    Twin Peaks worked because it used Lynch's weirdness and audio/visual expertise as flavour. This settled in around interesting characters, charismatic performances, fun dialogue, palpable emotion and a story you can connect with. Absolutely none of those things are present in The Return, and it's made particularly hard to watch by having most sequences take 2-10x longer than they need to. There's about 25 minutes of material in the hour-long third episode. Taking more time is fine if there's something spectacular you're filling the frame with, but for all his skill and vision, Lynch has never been a Terrence Malick. I'm sure there's a point lurking somewhere in these 18 hours, but for me, life's too goddamn short.

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    The first 15 minutes of Episode 3 was the best Silent Hill movie ever made, by far.

    This was definitely the weirdest episode yet in the series, which will only get weirder, I'm sure..

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYRexall View Post
    The first 15 minutes of Episode 3 was the best Silent Hill movie ever made, by far.

    This was definitely the weirdest episode yet in the series, which will only get weirder, I'm sure..
    I'm expecting a lot of avant garde surrealism, but I also think that a narrative will emerge. I expect the story to make more sense than Inland Empire; episode four seems to be heading in the direction of a cohesive storyline.
    I am expecting the best of both worlds here. as much as I utterly adore pure Lynchian surrealism, I would love to see a story take shape. And it won't take MUCH story to utterly thrill me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul_guyet View Post
    Soooo...are we all thinking HTDA credits scene?
    I don't know anymore because I never anticipated Chrysta Bell actually playing a character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul_guyet View Post
    Soooo...are we all thinking HTDA credits scene?
    But why robiiinnnnn

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post



    finally spun this yesterday after owning it for months (wanted to wait until we had re-watched the film). as much as i like the music from the show, this blows it away (at least the season 1 soundtrack that got released). it really stands on its own as a strong soundtrack.
    What I did was take the FWWM etc. tracks from the Twin Peaks Archive as listed on the soundtrack design site and spliced them together to form a near-complete FWWM playlist (having also recently found a copy of Season Two Music And More off Amazon for a reasonable price, with which I'll be able to complete it). The FWWM tracks from the Archive stand in a separate league of their own, it's true. When you listen to them together like that, you can really hear a precursor to his Lost Highway tracks.

    Having not seen Episodes 3 and 4 yet (tonight hopefully!) I'm doing that thing I shouldn't be doing - visiting this thread and scrolling over posts that talk about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjaw View Post
    But why robiiinnnnn
    Stripped down live performance: Trent behind a bunch of synths and maybe on backing vocals, Mariqueen on lead vocals and Robin making sound with a guitar.
    Alternately: Trent as Johnny Horne, Mariqueen as the personification of the Log Lady's Log and Robin as Bob's son.

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    It only makes sense that after 25 straight years of living in some fucked up form of a salvia trip but stranger that Cooper would have to go through some Eraserhead-level shit to escape.

    I feel like if you've seen the first four episodes it becomes pretty clear that it's moving closer and closer to "classic" Twin Peaks territory but in a more modern way, but it has to earn that -- to end like the show originally did and then pick back up in the cherry pie-loving quirky soapy realm of TP would feel dismissive of everything that happened and like it was brushing off some major stuff just to cater to nostalgia.

    The conflict going on at the moment also seems simpler than it's coming across as -- Spoiler: FakeCoop created Dougie in order to avoid getting sucked up into the Black Lodge when Cooper came back. FakeCoop held his garmonbozia in long enough that Dougie took his place and the man with one arm then warns RealCoop that he's been tricked, now taking the place of Dougie rather than his doppelganger (he was supposed to come through the cigarette lighter in FakeCoop's car, but didn't, so he instead went through the electrical outlet, and electricity seems to always have some sort of sinister supernatural connotation in the TP world).

    Because of this, either FakeCoop or RealCoop will have to die in order for them to not be purged into non-existence (or "non-EXISTENCE," as the evolution of the arm would say).

    FakeCoop is attempting to fully take on the identity of RealCoop so that RealCoop won't have the aid of the FBI at his disposal, but Gordon Cole clearly knows that something is up, and once RealCoop overcomes his Mr. Jackpots persona and escapes Dougie's hollow reality, he'll be able to come back as the Special Agent Dale Cooper we all know and love and begin the battle against FakeCoop, likely colliding someplace in Twin Peaks where the story lines will then merge and become more like the original series again.


    At least, that's my take on it, and since it's David Lynch who the fuck knows -- maybe all of that will never happen and the next episode will be nothing but the animated adventures of the Log & Friends while Michael Cera reenacts the entire plot of A Streetcar Named Desire. Who the fuck knows? All I know is I'm loving it and I'm going with it, all the way.

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    I would be content never having to see Michael Cera show up in this series ever again, he's been the only aspect i haven't liked so far.

    Just seeing him do that Brando shtick was so cringe-worthy. Can't fucking stand the guy in anything I've seen him in.

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    @kleiner352 i want to start a band called "Dougie's Hollow Reality" will you paint our album covers? <3

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    Here's a little continuity error: Cooper isn't wearing the same tie he's wearing in the finale. But he wears black in FWWM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen Beach View Post
    Here's a little continuity error: Cooper isn't wearing the same tie he's wearing in the finale. But he wears black in FWWM.
    I'm gonna headcannon it as him having lost it during some terrifying and confusing encounter with one of the Black Lodge spirits and the statue that's sometimes in the room between rooms and sometimes isn't gave him a new one because why not, it'd make about as much sense as anything else there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kleiner352 View Post
    It only makes sense that after 25 straight years of living in some fucked up form of a salvia trip but stranger that Cooper would have to go through some Eraserhead-level shit to escape.

    I feel like if you've seen the first four episodes it becomes pretty clear that it's moving closer and closer to "classic" Twin Peaks territory but in a more modern way, but it has to earn that -- to end like the show originally did and then pick back up in the cherry pie-loving quirky soapy realm of TP would feel dismissive of everything that happened and like it was brushing off some major stuff just to cater to nostalgia.

    The conflict going on at the moment also seems simpler than it's coming across as -- Spoiler: FakeCoop created Dougie in order to avoid getting sucked up into the Black Lodge when Cooper came back. FakeCoop held his garmonbozia in long enough that Dougie took his place and the man with one arm then warns RealCoop that he's been tricked, now taking the place of Dougie rather than his doppelganger (he was supposed to come through the cigarette lighter in FakeCoop's car, but didn't, so he instead went through the electrical outlet, and electricity seems to always have some sort of sinister supernatural connotation in the TP world).

    Because of this, either FakeCoop or RealCoop will have to die in order for them to not be purged into non-existence (or "non-EXISTENCE," as the evolution of the arm would say).

    FakeCoop is attempting to fully take on the identity of RealCoop so that RealCoop won't have the aid of the FBI at his disposal, but Gordon Cole clearly knows that something is up, and once RealCoop overcomes his Mr. Jackpots persona and escapes Dougie's hollow reality, he'll be able to come back as the Special Agent Dale Cooper we all know and love and begin the battle against FakeCoop, likely colliding someplace in Twin Peaks where the story lines will then merge and become more like the original series again.


    At least, that's my take on it, and since it's David Lynch who the fuck knows -- maybe all of that will never happen and the next episode will be nothing but the animated adventures of the Log & Friends while Michael Cera reenacts the entire plot of A Streetcar Named Desire. Who the fuck knows? All I know is I'm loving it and I'm going with it, all the way.
    yup. You win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    I'm expecting a lot of avant garde surrealism, but I also think that a narrative will emerge. I expect the story to make more sense than Inland Empire; episode four seems to be heading in the direction of a cohesive storyline.
    I am expecting the best of both worlds here. as much as I utterly adore pure Lynchian surrealism, I would love to see a story take shape. And it won't take MUCH story to utterly thrill me.
    Same here.

    I've only watched the first three episodes so far, but this is definitely not the Twin Peaks of 1991 or even 1992 FWWM. There's a palpable sense of despair shrouding this series so far, and personally I love it. I've always been on board with Lynch's weirdness, so this has been right up my alley. But I can definitely see where others wouldn't care for it or would tune out.

    So far, the narrative seems geared towards Cooper somehow escaping from the lodge. I'm sure the narrative arcs will intersect by the halfway point. For now, I'm more than content just enjoying the (wild) ride week to week, and feel chances are good they'll continue the series after this season wraps up..

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    Damn I sure hope you're right about the show continuing @NYRexall

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    So, concerning Episode 3..

    The second girl sitting in front of the fireplace -- after Cooper comes back down the ladder -- is Ronette Pulaski (same actress and apparently same character)

    Dougie's arm is numb when he's in the house with the prostitute because he's wearing the jade ring, just like Laura's arm is numb in FWWM when she wakes up in bed wearing the same ring

    FBI agent Tamara Preston, who shows up at the end, is the "T.P." person who narrates Frost's Secret History of Twin Peaks..

    http://www.businessinsider.com/6-det...howtime-2017-5

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYRexall View Post
    So, concerning Episode 3..

    The second girl sitting in front of the fireplace -- after Cooper comes back down the ladder -- is Ronette Pulaski (same actress and apparently same character)

    Dougie's arm is numb when he's in the house with the prostitute because he's wearing the jade ring, just like Laura's arm is numb in FWWM when she wakes up in bed wearing the same ring

    FBI agent Tamara Preston, who shows up at the end, is the "T.P." person who narrates Frost's Secret History of Twin Peaks..

    http://www.businessinsider.com/6-det...howtime-2017-5
    don't forget that Teresa Banks' arm also went numb just before she died, while she was in possession of the ring.

    @kleiner352 that particular statue is ONLY in the first passageway (as opposed to the one that is sometimes near the chairs), which is the one that leads into/out of the black lodge. hence the importance of cooper seeing it.

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    Spoiler:
    A subtle touch I really like is DoppelCoop's loss of coherency or stability following his garmonbozia pukefest and Coop's return to the real world. During his conversation with Gordon, his ability to communicate was diminished compared with his earlier conversations. Repetition of phrases, extremely direct, dialogue extraordinarily artificial, like he was directly reading from a script in his head. It's probably just going to get creepier.

    Seeing Don Davis really caught me off guard in E3. Bless Lynch, that was a wonderful way to get a cameo in there. I have no doubt we'll see Frank Silva's Bob in some way shape or form eventually.

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    They could definitely very easily use archived footage of Frank Silva and play it off in a way that fits, it'll be interesting to see if Lynch will have done that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYRexall View Post
    So, concerning Episode 3..

    The second girl sitting in front of the fireplace -- after Cooper comes back down the ladder -- is Ronette Pulaski (same actress and apparently same character)
    It's not the same character.




    There's a really good FB group for analysing the new series here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1380158102071922/

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    Quote Originally Posted by icklekitty View Post
    It's not the same character.




    There's a really good FB group for analysing the new series here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1380158102071922/
    yeah, in the credits, she's listed as "american girl"

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    Does anyone think we'll finally meet Diane in the next episode?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dvp View Post
    Does anyone think we'll finally meet Diane in the next episode?
    god, i hope not. i want diane to remain an enigma forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icklekitty View Post
    It's not the same character.




    There's a really good FB group for analysing the new series here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1380158102071922/
    I think they're the same person, or will eventually turn out to be as the series unfolds.

    It seems way too coincidental that one of the first individuals Cooper meets after leaving the lodge is a woman who is essentially Ronette aged in the same way the Laura Palmer apparition had. But then, there are people also surmising that the eyeless woman was a manifestation of Josie Packard.

    The great thing about David Lynch is that we're probably neither right nor wrong here

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYRexall View Post
    there are people also surmising that the eyeless woman was a manifestation of Josie Packard.
    That's where my mind went, to be honest. I couldn't tell you why, but she just reminded me of Josie a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slave2thewage View Post
    That's where my mind went, to be honest. I couldn't tell you why, but she just reminded me of Josie a lot.
    That was the first thing I thought, from the moment we saw the back of her head. I knew it wasn't the actual Joan Chen, but perhaps some sort of representation of her.

    For what it's worth, the security guard that Cooper walks up to at the casino (Brian T. Finney) also had a small part in FWWM as a truck driver..

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