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    Best quote from Buzzfeed: "For someone who hates socialism, Bloomberg sure loves getting publicly owned."

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    People on Twitter are bitching that last night’s debate was more like a “reality show” than showing how the Democrats can “beat Donald Trump.”

    First, they ALL claim they can beat Trump. The proof will be how many votes they can get from the “Big Tent” range of Democrat and Independent voters.

    Second, last night was marketing, not strategy. And it was brilliant political theater. Compared to the SNOOZE FEST field of 2016 (Remember Lincoln Chafee? Jim Webb? Martin O’Malley?)


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    It was great and all, but everyone outside of Bernie agreeing to let superdelegates swing the nomination (regardless of the lead in pledged votes and delegates) undid whatever wind was put in my sails after Bloomberg was ethered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aladdinsanity View Post
    It was great and all, but everyone outside of Bernie agreeing to let superdelegates swing the nomination (regardless of the lead in pledged votes and delegates) undid whatever wind was put in my sails after Bloomberg was ethered.
    All candidates know the DNC rules going into this, when they decide to run as a Democrat.

    And a brokered convention is one of those boogeymen that people throw around (Republicans spread it around as an option to get rid of Trump in 2016) but it never actually happens. Meghan McCain is insisting there will be a brokered Democratic convention, but she’s a total drama queen.

    Sure, it’s POSSIBLE. It’s ALWAYS “possible.” But making that possibility out to be “unfair” is like hijacking a plane and then bitching that the plane doesn’t have premium vodka and isn’t going to your destination.

    I think Bloomberg is gonna fizzle.
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    Warren camp is now reporting they've brought in over $5 million since the start of the debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    (Remember Lincoln Chafee? Jim Webb? Martin O’Malley?)
    Honestly? no

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    But Bernie knew the DNC rules going into this, when he opted to run as a Democrat. They all do.

    And a brokered convention is one of those boogeymen that people throw around (Republicans spread it around as an option to get rid of Trump in 2016) but it never actually happens. Meghan McCain is insisting there will be a brokered convention, but she’s a total drama queen.

    Sure, it’s POSSIBLE. It’s ALWAYS “possible.” But making that possibility out to be “unfair” is like hijacking a plane and then bitching that the plane doesn’t have premium vodka and isn’t going to your destination.

    We are a Republic, but we are also a party system and the candidates are obligated to operate under the rules of that party, or they are welcome to run as Independents or under another party. Or, start their own party.
    True. But fuck, man, I don't know... the DNC really screwed the pooch letting Bloomberg buy his way into the primary this late and suddenly changing the guidelines to allow him on the debate stage last night. Between that and the disaster of the Iowa caucus, the Democratic party is on really shaky ground right now when it comes to their voters' trust.

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    I remember O'Malley because of that strong Daddy energy, but not anything he ever said or did. Don't have any recollection of the other two. Would have to Google.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aladdinsanity View Post
    True. But fuck, man, I don't know... the DNC really screwed the pooch letting Bloomberg buy his way into the primary this late and suddenly changing the guidelines to allow him on the debate stage last night. Between that and the disaster of the Iowa caucus, the Democratic party is on really shaky ground right now when it comes to their voters' trust.
    But that rule-change in Nevada fucked ALL the other candidates; they’re all pissed about it.

    https://www.vox.com/2020/2/1/2111803...iden-bloomberg

    I think the DNC is just trying to appeal to a wide variety. It’s party politics. The DNC also wants money for its OTHER (non-Presidential) candidates.

    Bloomberg pumped millions of dollars into 2018 Democratic candidates and will likely do the same in 2020, and the DNC doesn’t want to stem that flow of money that helps Dem candidates in local races all over the country.

    It shouldn’t all be about money, but it is. And until meaningful campaign finance reform legislation is passed, it won’t change.

    Voters should be a LOT more concerned about the possibility that their vote won’t be hacked by foreign adversaries or the opposing party, or tha POC will be prevented from voting through voter suppression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    Honestly? no
    https://time.com/4156243/democratic-...ocial-moments/

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    I suppose this is more "2016 election", but that thread is long gone.

    https://thehill.com/policy/technolog...ormation-would

    tl;dr - Facebook's own staff said in 2016 that they didn't want to take down propaganda because most of it was geared towards helping conservatives and it would be unfair to pull it.

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    This the most galaxy brain rationale I’ve ever fucking heard...and it’s been a monumentally stupid couple of years so that’s saying something.

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    I have this fantasy where Bloomberg:

    * Buys all Trump loans, then calls them in,

    * Buys Facebook and Twitter and shuts them down,

    * Buys Fox News and turns it into a 24-hour gangster rap and Tejano music video station.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aladdinsanity View Post
    It was great and all, but everyone outside of Bernie agreeing to let superdelegates swing the nomination (regardless of the lead in pledged votes and delegates) undid whatever wind was put in my sails after Bloomberg was ethered.
    I'm very pro-Bernie, but in 2016 he said roughly the opposite.

    https://www.npr.org/2016/05/19/47870...ing-nomination

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    I have this fantasy where Bloomberg:

    * Buys all Trump loans, then calls them in,

    * Buys Facebook and Twitter and shuts them down,

    * Buys Fox News and turns it into a 24-hour gangster rap and Tejano music video station.
    People might start liking Daddy Warbucks if he did this shit. It's hard to think about the $400 million he's already spent and not imagine what incredible good it could have done. The guy is ridiculously out of touch.
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    BERNIE SANDERS LEADS IN ALL 10 NATIONAL POLLS RELEASED THIS WEEK AHEAD OF NEVADA CAUCUSES
    https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sand...9Qi9WWcgZtl8vE

    Rivals worry Sanders building 'insurmountable' Super Tuesday lead
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...MG2rlMPodf3kI0
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    I completely ignore ANYTHING on The Hill.

    The Hill is 100% Right Wing propaganda crapola.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    I have this fantasy where Bloomberg:

    * Buys all Trump loans, then calls them in,

    * Buys Facebook and Twitter and shuts them down,

    * Buys Fox News and turns it into a 24-hour gangster rap and Tejano music video station.
    Bloomberg spends more on one week of advertising for his stupid, self-indulgent campaign than the vast majority of human beings will ever possess in their lifetime. I know you're just having fun and I don't mean this as a personal attack but it would be great if we not do this gross "what if he was OUR billionaire?!" bullshit. It is useless and frustrating to contemplate the staggering amount of good people as wealthy as him could accomplish if they gave even a fraction of a shit about everyone else.

    Yes, like all people with obscene and frankly immoral quantities of money, he has put some of his wealth towards things that are not horrible, or even good. This means nothing. As staggering as amounts he donates may seem to us, they amount to pocket change for him, and not only are most of these charitable ventures tax deductible - they also earn him unearned respect and praise from citizens and media outlets, who look at him giving a minuscule fraction of his wealth and think, "Wow, what a generous, good-hearted man!" It's a smokescreen, a common one for the disgustingly rich, to distract from the obvious. He directly targeted and terrorized communities of color in New York City for a decade. He endorsed President Bush. He helped Republicans keep control of the Senate. He has said taxing the wealthy is a bigger problem than income inequality. He's a fucking Republican.

    That there is even a chance of him being the Democratic Presidential candidate illustrates the profound limits of "Vote Blue No Matter Who" and how the Democratic party has continually leveraged our desperation against us. Instead of rising to the occasion of the legitimate threat of fascism brewing, they endeavor instead to use our yearning for something, ANYTHING else but Trump to push through someone almost identical to a Republican - in Bloomberg's case, a literal Republican - who will almost certainly lose, and if they don't lose, they play the usual Democrat dance of effecting so little positive change that voters end up convinced that Republicans will somehow be better in four years.

    Four years of Trump and the Democratic party is still most concerned with protecting itself.

    Anyone hoping that a brokered convention will be their candidate's ticket to the nomination, take heed - that would be Bloomberg's dream scenario. Frankly any major snafu in Milwaukee would be very ill-advised as far as general election prospects are concerned, but to go through that bullshit to nominate Michael fucking Bloomberg... It's a disgrace enough that he's in the running and that somehow the Buttigieg campaign doesn't represent the biggest middle finger to the Democratic party's non-caucasian constituents. Nominating Bloomberg would be the end of the party. And anyone thinking he is somehow the most likely to defeat Trump head-to-head has no idea what the electorate even is anymore.

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