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    lol, I don't believe this at all. articles like this just energizes his base even more. no way he drops out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by versusreality View Post
    lol, I don't believe this at all. articles like this just energizes his base even more. no way he drops out.
    I don't know if they necessarily energize his base, but I agree, I doubt he drops out, unless his approval rating reaches the low 30's by the time of the convention.

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    can we fantasy football some scenarios?

    1) Trump drops out and Pence is promoted to Pres, so who is the VP nom?

    2) Trump drops out and Pence is left as VP and they nominate someone else as Pres?

    3) Trump drops out and they realize Pence is a worse ticket so get rid of him as well?

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    1) Trump drops out and Pence is promoted to Pres, so who is the VP nom?

    Pence/Haley 2020

    2) Trump drops out and Pence is left as VP and they nominate someone else as Pres?

    I don't think that would happen. Pence would either be nominated for POTUS or not on the ticket at all.

    3) Trump drops out and they realize Pence is a worse ticket so get rid of him as well?

    Who is someone who MAGA idiots will go for as well as disenchanted Republicans who can't stand Trump who isn't Pence? I really don't know.


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    There is no way that is going to happen

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    unless there's a medical emergency, Trump isn't going to drop out of the race, and everyone should know that. He knows that if he drops out, he is doing it because he's afraid he'll lose, and he knows that everyone will know that, and that will be his legacy. His ego can't handle that.

    I hate that when I talk about Trump's psyche, I feel like I need to break everything down into words a five year old could get, because that's really where he's at. This is not a complex man, he doesn't have deep thoughts.

    I think there's a good chance that he really doesn't wanna keep doing this, and has every intention of dropping out, but only after he wins the election. Or maybe it's just the only version of reality that I can tolerate accepting at this juncture should he win.

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    The talk is that he makes a deal with the SDNY that they won’t prosecute him after he is no longer President, in exchange for resigning.

    This is what Nixon did. Then Ford pardoned him (Pence would pardon Trump while Pence is President for the last few months.)

    This guarantees that Trump won’t win a 2nd term, but it also guarantees that he won’t get indicted if he loses a 2nd term. If his AG knows what kind of discovery they have against Trump, a plea deal is the way to go. Nobody else gets the deal, though.

    SCOTUS is expected to issue their decision re Trump’s taxes and financials tomorrow. Maybe.

    @GulDukat , I’m not sure what the GOP rules say about this scenario. But everything I’m seeing says that Pence would be the likely nominee, and the RNC picks the VP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    unless there's a medical emergency, Trump isn't going to drop out of the race, and everyone should know that. He knows that if he drops out, he is doing it because he's afraid he'll lose, and he knows that everyone will know that, and that will be his legacy. His ego can't handle that.
    I honestly don't know. If Trump's approval rating drops to say 35% (it's 41.2% now, RCP average), I don't think it's totally unrealistic. If it becomes clear that there is no way Trump can win, he may walk away. I'm not saying this will happen, but I think it's a remote possibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    @GulDukat , I’m not sure what the GOP rules say about this scenario. But everything I’m seeing says that Pence would be the likely nominee, and the RNC picks the VP.
    I think Pence would have a better chance of beating Biden than Trump would. Maybe the RNC is secretly hoping Trump will drop out.
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    ^ I was thinking that about Pence over the weekend once I saw him wearing a mask. I thought "hmm...ok, that's a bit out of character. he must be trying ti win people over. maybe even make a power move or have the move made for him"

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    Quote Originally Posted by versusreality View Post
    ^ I was thinking that about Pence over the weekend once I saw him wearing a mask. I thought "hmm...ok, that's a bit out of character. he must be trying ti win people over. maybe even make a power move or have the move made for him"
    The protest against wearing a mask is beyond the pale. Right now Trump could save lives by going on TV and telling everyone to wear a mask, but he won't and people will die because of it. I was no fan of Bush, but he would have done that. Fuck Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by versusreality View Post
    ^ I was thinking that about Pence over the weekend once I saw him wearing a mask. I thought "hmm...ok, that's a bit out of character. he must be trying ti win people over. maybe even make a power move or have the move made for him"
    MITCH MCCONNELL told people to wear a mask the other day.

    LIZ CHENEY posted a photo of DICK CHENEY WEARING A MASK, with the caption “Real Men Wear Masks.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    MITCH MCCONNELL told people to wear a mask the other day.

    LIZ CHENEY posted a photo of DICK CHENEY WEARING A MASK, with the caption “Real Men Wear Masks.”
    Nah, they just want to be politically correct:

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    I couldn't believe when he said that people were trying to be "politically correct" by wearing masks. How "politically correct" of you to attempt to do your small part to mitigate the spread of a deadly disease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    I couldn't believe when he said that people were trying to be "politically correct" by wearing masks.
    That narrative is leading his people over the cliff, and got the U.S. numbers higher than any other country on the planet. Because of HIM.

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    Here is the video in question:

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    I've been thinking about this possible plea bargain that may or may not be a thing to pardon his crimes after he resigns...

    I don't want it. I want him to actually face the news. Fuck this fucking guy. If I've EVER wanted someone to see justice of SOME FUCKING KIND, it's this sack of inhuman shit. I want him and his shitty family to rot in jail.

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    My prediction: Trump will drop out. Biden will succumb to Covid-19. I wish the first prediction will happen, but really hope the second does not. Sometimes I am wrong. But sometimes I am right.

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    Trump to Trump: You're fired!

    Another article on the possibility of Trump resigning.

    If Trump senses a blowout defeat well beyond the usual Republican margin of theft, the champ may decide that it’s more dignified to retire undefeated. He can claim that the election was rigged, that he would have won, blah blah blah, and he can have the satisfaction of agitating his base as president-in-exile with no responsibility whatever for the consequences.

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    I mean I do like living in the magical fairytale land where this might happen

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    So now Trump's campaign is using the Nazi eagle.

    You look at the Nazi eagle and the one Trump is using, and you're telling me that they don't look very similar?

    Question is, was this done on purpose or are the people running Trump's campaign just plain stupid?

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    I’ll take both for $600, Alex.

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    This is clear whistle blowing.... and it's disturbing. The eagle over the symbol (as long as it isn't a fucking swastika) predates WWII. It's the Reichsadler. By itself, not associated with nazis or fascism or whatever.

    That's why they can just say "well, we didn't mean it THAT way." And we all move on. I hate these fucking people so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    This is clear whistle blowing.... and it's disturbing. The eagle over the symbol (as long as it isn't a fucking swastika) predates WWII. It's the Reichsadler. By itself, not associated with nazis or fascism or whatever.
    I'lltry
    That's why they can just say "well, we didn't mean it THAT way." And we all move on. I hate these fucking people so much.
    The swastika also predates WW2 by about 12,000 years. Trump could use that too and claim he didn't know Hitler used it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GulDukat View Post
    The swastika also predates WW2 by about 12,000 years. Trump could use that too and claim he didn't know Hitler used it.
    yeah, well, I guess that's how it works

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    Quote Originally Posted by GulDukat View Post
    The swastika also predates WW2 by about 12,000 years. Trump could use that too and claim he didn't know Hitler used it.
    I remember being in my early 20s and visiting the Royal Ontario Museum and seeing Buddhist statues with swastika's on them and being really confused and shocked. In the western world, the other contexts for the symbol aren't commonly known.

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    As for the Iron Eagle shirt, I feel like it's probably a case of their designer being the kind of person who hangs around the kind of people—you know, real fierce patriots—who have (even swastika-free) Iron Eagles floating around as symbols of strength and unity and the good ol' days and absorbing their aesthetic into Trump's own. And then knowing what kind of shit would sell to his base.

    I knew a bunch of people who used to come into my bar who were all members at a nearby crossfit-type place. That whole scene—and especially these peeps—well, it was a lifestyle. They were all decked out in high & tight cuts, and jackets with epaulets, and de-swastika'd Iron Eagles all over things (the birds just held empty wreaths, I think). Certainly none of them self-identified as supremacists and some of them were even people of color. But they'd been steeping in the aesthetic and milieu of the folks who headed the place, who (from what I could tell) were more consciously cognizant of the history of the symbols. The kind of people who'd say "blood and soil" is a fine thing to say and believe, but it's been spoiled by "a few bad apples."

    And the cadre that trained at the place had been steeping slowly and for so long that they didn't even get that, in a way, they were being indoctrinated. First with a "cool" look and then slowly with beliefs about discipline—and the people who just biologically don't have it. Some of the shit I heard them saying towards the end was more than a little alarming. And that's when I found out that half of them were cops.

    A shirt with an American Iron Eagle would absolutely sell to Trump's hardcores who, knowingly or not, have been slowly steeping in Nazi aesthetic and ethos for quite some time.
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    I was wondering if this might be an attempt at sabotaging Trump by a designer. Someone who knew that they could slip this under the radar and hopefully cause a shitstorm. Then I remembered the Facebook triangle thing, which shot that theory straight away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DF118 View Post
    I was wondering if this might be an attempt at sabotaging Trump by a designer. Someone who knew that they could slip this under the radar and hopefully cause a shitstorm. Then I remembered the Facebook triangle thing, which shot that theory straight away.
    art is resistance!!!

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