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Thread: Bad Witch LP, out June 22 (thread pt 3) SPOILERS

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    I've given Bad Witch time to stew. As a concept, I love it, but revisiting it some months later, I continue to find that if it's got one issue, it's that - personally - I find it next to impossible to sit down and play the whole thing front to back, which isn't an issue I have with NTAE or Add Violence.

    It's a good work. Challenging. Not a bad track on there, but I find there's just no sense of flow at all. Much, much, much more often than not, I find myself playing tracks in isolation, or two or three in a row, and skipping about. I'll put on everything up to GBDTD - which for my money is one of the single best NIN tracks ever, then go to something else. I'll put on INFTW if I'm on a long trip at night. Or I'll play Over and Out or Shit Mirror in isolation.

    I feel like it works much, much better as the closer to the trilogy if I'm thinking about the concept, but as a stand-alone album, as much as I like the individual tracks, it's kind of awkward and disjointed. I find it has that in common with The Slip.

    Still great though!

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    I’ve had some time to digest and I truly love it. Seeing some of it live before release warmed me up heavily to God Break Down the Door and I think it’s an album full of the same sort of apocalyptic, nightmarish and mysterious vibes I remember getting when I first heard The Downward Spiral and fell in love. It’s loaded with textures and acts extremely well as the wild, chaotic blender of everything from the two EPs before it, it feels like the sounds that should come after The Background World tape loop fully disintegrated.

    Add Violence feels a little odd between NTAE and BW but it adds to its charm and gives the whole project a better diversity. Over and Out is like what Hesitation Marks tried to be, Ahead of Ourselves is intense as all hell, Shit Mirror has the most grandiose and grimy mix to it, both instrumentals are unsettling and feel like audio panic attacks, it’s great all over to me. It’s also satisfying to see Trent & Atticus fully deliver on a conceptual promise and I think this set of releases proves they’ve still got so much uniquely theirs to say and explore. Bad Witch feels like a better soundtrack for the end of the world than Year Zero was even.

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    Not only is it one of my favorite NIN albums in the last few years, it's easily in my top five this year.

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    i never get to read whole threads like i used to, but i assume everyone has been talking about how this is the most inspired piece of music trent and atticus have ever created, right?

    because holy shit, what an album.

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    This was released on my birthday! Amazing album and I went to two shows so far. Want to see at least one more!!

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    I think Trent's vocals and vocal techniques, vocal layers, vocal effects etc... are underrated. I enjoy listening and discovering vocals in the background that I haven't noticed before.

    'This Isn't The Place' is a great example of several vocal techniques and applications.

    Because of this the 3 albums have become some of my favourites.

    TR (and AR) are fucking amazing.

    It's hard for me to find any current artists whom can put out an album which such a variety of structures, styles, techniques, stories... and I do search.

    I believe that physical world things and emotions can be converted into sound/music; TR is the best I've ever come across at accomplishing this; other than Klaus Badelt, John Williams, James Newton Howard etc... the fact that I put TR in the same category as them says a lot about TR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadaloo View Post
    I've given Bad Witch time to stew. As a concept, I love it, but revisiting it some months later, I continue to find that if it's got one issue, it's that - personally - I find it next to impossible to sit down and play the whole thing front to back, which isn't an issue I have with NTAE or Add Violence.

    It's a good work. Challenging. Not a bad track on there, but I find there's just no sense of flow at all. Much, much, much more often than not, I find myself playing tracks in isolation, or two or three in a row, and skipping about. I'll put on everything up to GBDTD - which for my money is one of the single best NIN tracks ever, then go to something else. I'll put on INFTW if I'm on a long trip at night. Or I'll play Over and Out or Shit Mirror in isolation.

    I feel like it works much, much better as the closer to the trilogy if I'm thinking about the concept, but as a stand-alone album, as much as I like the individual tracks, it's kind of awkward and disjointed. I find it has that in common with The Slip.

    Still great though!
    Interesting, it's the exact opposite for me. I seldom find myself wanting to listen to any one song from it like I do with the previous two releases in the trilogy. I find that the Bad Witch material works better for me in context because it has a distinct flow to me.

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    I in fact love the flow of Bad Witch specifically because of its similarities to The Slip. The tight rock songs slowly unraveling into long, open-ended atmospheric pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    that makes me so sad. i don't remember the last time i listened to a new album and felt the desire to skip a song. it helps that i don't really have the option since my first listen of a new album is almost always on vinyl, but still.
    It makes me sad too.

    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    you gotta find some stuff that resonates with you more.
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loopcloses View Post
    I in fact love the flow of Bad Witch specifically because of its similarities to The Slip. The tight rock songs slowly unraveling into long, open-ended atmospheric pieces.
    I feel like The Slip did this better, also the fact that eventually the aggression comes back with Demon Seed, The Slip has one of the best flows of any NIN album. Bad Witch would work more if it had more tracks to prepare you for the transition, like The Slip did. Slip gradually prepares you for the athmospheric pieces, with Head Down going into Lights In The Sky, which goes into Corona, Bad Witch's transition feels little bit more rushed, going straight from drum'nbassy and fast track like God Break Down The Door to I'm Not From This World doesn't work that well, at least in my eyes

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustARandomGuy View Post
    going straight from drum'nbassy and fast track like God Break Down The Door to I'm Not From This World doesn't work that well, at least in my eyes
    That transition is my favourite part of the album.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustARandomGuy View Post
    Bad Witch's transition feels little bit more rushed, going straight from drum'nbassy and fast track like God Break Down The Door to I'm Not From This World doesn't work that well, at least in my eyes
    I think it works pretty well. Much like Big Man With A Gun -> A Warm Place on The Downward Spiral, it feels like it represents a moment where the tension breaks and there's a brief moment to collect one's thoughts about the situation at hand, and in both cases, the reflection reveals just how utterly fucked the whole situation is.

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    The transition from Shit Mirror to ahead of Ourselves gets me so hyped it's not even funny.

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    I put my huge headset on and sat down for a break at work. Turned some music on and started scrolling through some online articles about I-dont-even-remember and over and out started playing. I just froze and sat there staring blankly at nothing, and this sounds cheesy of course, but I felt like I could feel this in my soul. If I have one, anyway.

    Thank you Trent,
    That was magical. I had 2 of my coworkers staring at me asking if I was okay afterwards, and I said yeah and got up to be alone.
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    What the hell is that droning noise in I'm Not From This World? An animal?


    And does anyone else hear labored breathing like someone is dying throughout Over And Out? Kind of makes sense with the ending too, like the peaceful sound of death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadaloo View Post
    I've given Bad Witch time to stew. As a concept, I love it, but revisiting it some months later, I continue to find that if it's got one issue, it's that - personally - I find it next to impossible to sit down and play the whole thing front to back, which isn't an issue I have with NTAE or Add Violence.
    I'm pretty much the opposite to this as well. I've found that I listen much more to random tracks from NTAE and Add Violence (Add Violence in particular has pretty bad flow), whereas BW is so much greater than the sum of its songs, and I only get that effect when I listen to it all in a row. I think the flow on it is great. I still think its probably the best NIN since TF - and I've loved everything they've done except WT.

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    Don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but some of the dialogue from Detective Rust Cohle in the first episode of True Detective sounds very similar to Trent's explanation about the idea behind Bad Witch...


    Quote Originally Posted by Rust Cohle
    I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution. We became too self-aware. Nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself - we are creatures that should not exist by natural law... We are things that labor under the illusion of having a self, that accretion of sensory experience and feelings, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody's nobody... I think the honorable thing for our species to do is to deny our programming. Stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction - one last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Trent Reznor
    IN THE END, WHAT FELT TRUE WAS TO SAY THAT WE AS A SOCIETY AND AS A SPECIES ARE PROBABLY AN ACCIDENT, A MUTATION. REALLY WHAT WE ARE IS FUCKING ANIMALS. AND THE ILLUSION WAS ENLIGHTENMENT. THE MORE WE’VE CONNECTED WITH EACH OTHER THE DUMBER WE’VE GOTTEN AND THE MORE WE DECIDE WE WANT TO KILL EACH OTHER. WE’RE NOT SOME ELEVATED TRANSCENDENT BEINGS, WE’RE BACTERIA IN A JAR. I WANTED THE ART DIRECTION OF BAD WITCH TO FEEL LIKE SHADOWS ON A CAVE WALL AND WE’RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS AND REALLY THERE’S NO NICE, CLEAN, SAFE SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION. WE’RE JUST AN ACCIDENT. STRING THEORY AND QUANTUM PHYSICS IS A FUCKING TRICK. AND WE’RE NOT GOING TO SUDDENLY ELEVATE OURSELVES INTO TRANSCENDENT BEINGS. WE’RE KIDDING OURSELVES. I KNOW THIS WILL BE AN UNSATISFYING CONCLUSION FOR SOME PEOPLE. IT ISN’T WHAT THEY WANT. THEY WANT IT TO BE FULL MATRIX VIRTUAL REALITY, AND THIS IS THE OPPOSITE OF THAT, THIS IS DIRT AND A BROKEN COMPUTER CHIP AND EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE IN IS REALLY JUST BULLSHIT.

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