Cold and Black and Infinite Fall Tour - 2018 Live Tour Discussion

[Sarah K]

I still do not understand what you are trying to say. PM me so we don't clog up the thread any more!

[tony.parente]

I still do not understand what you are trying to say. PM me so we don't clog up the thread any more!

My understanding is that they are saying that you are complaining about the people who were upset about the pre-sale because they couldn’t go but also saying that you were not talking about the people who couldn’t go.

[matt925]

I'm more referring to the people who are talking shit about the actual process, even though they did not make an attempt to go. It seems like many people just didn't *want* to put the effort in, so they put down the entire process as dumb, even thought the people who went generally seem to have had a great time.

I have a toddler and a very pregnant wife. She’d happily give me the night off to go to the show, but throwing away a Saturday just to pay for the ticket is crazy. I didn’t even mention it, just saying it out loud sounds ridiculous.

I have to think trent didn’t imagine if he was a regular fan but with the rest of his life situation (50s, little kids, but having a 9-5 job). It just seems really unrealistic to ask for a lot of diehard fans.

[iamclassic]

I have a toddler and a very pregnant wife. She’d happily give me the night off to go to the show, but throwing away a Saturday just to pay for the ticket is crazy. I didn’t even mention it, just saying it out loud sounds ridiculous.

I have to think trent didn’t imagine if he was a regular fan but with the rest of his life situation (50s, little kids, but having a 9-5 job). It just seems really unrealistic to ask for a lot of diehard fans.

You should be able to buy a ticket tomorrow!

[Sarah K]

I sure wish that in 2018, there was some sort of technology available that allowed us to comminitcate and organize with people who do not live in our cities.

Maybe someday!

[sick among the pure]

I sure wish that in 2018, there was some sort of technology available that allowed us to comminitcate and organize with people who do not live in our cities.

Maybe someday!

While I am grateful that I was able to PayPal a friend of mine to get me a ticket, I realize that not everybody has that option.
Just as I would hope people who were able to physically make it to these locations were grateful that they didn't have to stay home because the drive/flight out there and back would far exceed scalper prices.
I feel for the people who were unable to get a ticket during the Physical World sale, and hope they are able to get one from the leftover online sale. Because once again the reason people are "bitching" about this is they love NIN and want to see a live show, and they were physically unable to go get a ticket.

It looked like a fun time, aside from variables out of Trent's control (weather, venues fucking up, scalpers existing in the physical world). I really wish I had been able to just not take 2 big assignments and drive 6+ hours each way to the closest venue. Not being sarcastic, I would have loved it, my husband even offered to drive me (so I could sleep in the car) because he knows how much of a fucking nerd I am for this band.
But at the end of the day, the experience that Trent wanted us to have (go meet strangers and become friends! go talk to real people!) is the experience we already have when we go to shows. Maybe it's because I get GA whenever it's an option, but I am used to lining up 6+ hours with a few hundred people who are also big enough NIN fans to do the same. Everyone lines up, we start striking up conversations, people order food and share it, people hold places in the line for bathroom/food and drink runs, we ogle the new merch. Every positive story I've read about these Physical World events is literally a typical day in line for the show, minus the listening booth.

[tony.parente]

I sure wish that in 2018, there was some sort of technology available that allowed us to comminitcate and organize with people who do not live in our cities.

Maybe someday!

Tried that, also hit up a few friends in Chicago, nothing. Maybe someday!

[Jon]

I sure wish that in 2018, there was some sort of technology available that allowed us to comminitcate and organize with people who do not live in our cities.

Maybe someday!

I realize that many people got tickets "through" someone else, but there seemed to be no discussion how that was seemingly against the "spirit" of the Physical World presale.

It's not necessarily that people are salty; it's that there doesn't actually seem to be a "back and forth" discussion.

[eversonpoe]

Tried that, also hit up a few friends in Chicago, nothing. Maybe someday!

you didn't ask me. i would have been happy to get you a ticket.

[elevenism]

So check this out: directly ahead of us in line was an African American dude who was well dressed and very well spoken. He was at least 55. We started talking and it turned out that he was a psychologist.

And he was really into NIN. I mistakenly assumed that he was just there with a friend or something because he seemed too, idk, square I guess, to be a hardcore NIN fan. I know that might sound kind of stereotypical, but it's just true.

He was cool as shit; he had a chair that he let me sit in when I mentioned my back injury.

So it was very interesting discussing NIN with this cat.

[FULLMETAL]

May 19th:
Drove 7 hours to queue for another 8 hours in order to purchase tickets. Had a good time hanging out, but couldn't help but see ways to improve the overall experience.

May 24th:
09:58am signed into my Ticketfly account & updated my address since I only used it while I was living in California.
10am picked up a GA ticket for Washington DC on the 9th of October and then one for the 10th.
10:01am went back to watching pornos until the Central Time on-sale starts.
10:08am cleaned up and clicked on the ETS tab to post an update. Probably included too much information.

[tony.parente]

you didn't ask me. i would have been happy to get you a ticket.

Lol I hit you up on fb ������

[eversonpoe]

Lol I hit you up on fb ������

my facebook has been deactivated for months, which i specifically told you. i don't know how you would have done so.

also, you have my phone number, and you know i spend way too much time on here. clearly you weren't trying very hard.

[GulDukat]

Here's an idea and I don't know how plausible this would be:

What if you could buy tickets to a show, in person, but there would be more than one outlet to buy tickets in person? For example, say you wanted to go to the Boston show(s) but lived in Worcester, MA, rather than wake up at 5: 00 am to make it Boston by 7:30, you could buy tickets, in person, at the DCU Center in Worcester. There would still be the whole Internet-less, in person experience, but it would make buying tickets easier and more accessible.

[elevenism]

May 19th:
Drove 7 hours to queue for another 8 hours in order to purchase tickets. Had a good time hanging out, but couldn't help but see ways to improve the overall experience.

May 24th:
09:58am signed into my Ticketfly account & updated my address since I only used it while I was living in California.
10am picked up a GA ticket for Washington DC on the 9th of October and then one for the 10th.
10:01am went back to watching pornos until the Central Time on-sale starts.
10:08am cleaned up and clicked on the ETS tab to post an update. Probably included too much information.

Look, I'm not going to say that standing in line was "fun." I mean, keep in mind, I broke my back in five places about 3 years ago.
But it forced me out of my comfort zone (and my zone is way, WAY too fucking comfortable, involving a whole lot of laying in bed and rarely leaving the house.)

So it fucking sucked, but was at the same time, REALLY good for me. I know 99% of people aren't in my situation, but all in all it was great for me.

i can see where it would suck in general though.
as for me, however, I'd like to shake the hand of the man who caused me to make my first tentative steps out of this rut.

Also: @RhettButler , a million times '"like" for that idea

[botley]

Here's an idea and I don't know how plausible this would be:

What if you could buy tickets to a show, in person, but there would be more than one outlet to buy tickets in person? For example, say you wanted to go to the Boston show(s) but lived in Worcester, MA, rather than wake up at 5: 00 am to make it Boston by 7:30, you could buy tickets, in person, at the DCU Center in Worcester. There would still be the whole Internet-less, in person experience, but it would make buying tickets easier and more accessible.

Yeah, if they're going to partner with Live Nation you'd think that'd be relatively simple to figure out. Anyway, I ended up buying a ticket for NYC#2 on Ticketmaster, no problem.

[halo eighteen]

Here's an idea and I don't know how plausible this would be:

What if you could buy tickets to a show, in person, but there would be more than one outlet to buy tickets in person? For example, say you wanted to go to the Boston show(s) but lived in Worcester, MA, rather than wake up at 5: 00 am to make it Boston by 7:30, you could buy tickets, in person, at the DCU Center in Worcester. There would still be the whole Internet-less, in person experience, but it would make buying tickets easier and more accessible.

If Ticketmaster vendors or retail outlets or whatever they called them were still a thing, I think that's probably exactly how it would've went down.

[botley]

Up here we still have local promoters selling tickets at indie record stores, if you wanted to be REAL old school.

[trezdustrial]

Well that was frustrating as fuck.

Ok. I'm over it. Moving on....

[ekrekel]

I have a toddler and a very pregnant wife. She’d happily give me the night off to go to the show, but throwing away a Saturday just to pay for the ticket is crazy. I didn’t even mention it, just saying it out loud sounds ridiculous.

I have to think trent didn’t imagine if he was a regular fan but with the rest of his life situation (50s, little kids, but having a 9-5 job). It just seems really unrealistic to ask for a lot of diehard fans.

30s for me, but same exact boat otherwise. Kindness of other fans worked out for me this go-around but there's not necessarily a 1:1 ratio of those that need help and those that can offer it.

[sweeterthan]

I realize that many people got tickets "through" someone else, but there seemed to be no discussion how that was seemingly against the "spirit" of the Physical World presale.

It's not necessarily that people are salty; it's that there doesn't actually seem to be a "back and forth" discussion.

I posted my experience in the Atlanta thread but not in here:

I was late getting in line at the Fox. My goal was to be there by 7:30a but I have kids and I had to wait for my childcare (my sweet mother in law) to show up so I didn’t get there until 830ish. The line was around the block. I messaged some people I know to see if I could cut but it was a no go. The line moved really slow and I started questioning what I was doing there since my goal in going to the ticket sale was to get close. With so many in front of me, it started to feel like that it wasn’t going to happen. Then the fox came around and told a bunch of us we might not reach the box office by three. They said we might want to leave because they can’t guarantee us tickets even if the show isn’t sold out.

I posted this information to fox theater thread on ets. I knew it would be seen. I was thinking maybe by reznor’s marketing people and they could make accommodations. I didn’t realize another ets member, a person I don’t even know would see my post. @tcrudolph messaged me from farther up the line and voluntarily bought 2 very good seats for me and my husband. Then he sold them to me on the street outside the venue, just feet away from where I met Trent Reznor for the first time in 1994. Tcrudolph’s kindness and consideration will be forever appreciated by me. ❤️

The fox did end up helping people who were in line at 3pm from what I’ve read.

[ekrekel]

Those online service fees tho...
$135 ticket
$21.50 Service
$1.78 Additional Taxes
$4.00 Order Processing
$3.50 Shipping

$165.78 vs $145 in person.

[bryan_NIN65]

So the tour sold out in less than one minute on line. Tried for Memphis no luck.

[zecho]

I posted this in the Irving thread, but I'm gonna post it here too:

Well, I was online at ten sharp, picked three GA tickets, went to checkout and got a message saying that it couldn't be completed on my device. I was using a computer. So, I had two other people try, and they got the same thing. None of us were ever able to check out, no matter how many times we tried. Now GA is sold out, and there's no option of getting three seats together. Good going Ticket Master. I'm sure none of these tickets were bought by bots for scalpers.

[somewhat_]

Quite a few tickets remaining for Detroit.

[mostlymad]

Quite a few tickets remaining for Detroit.

Thanks for the tip, I got one!

[bryan_NIN65]

Quite a few tickets remaining for Detroit.

Yeah the 23rd is my B day too really thinking of the 30 hour round trip drive,lol.

[tcrudolph]

I posted my experience in the Atlanta thread but not in here:

I was late getting in line at the Fox. My goal was to be there by 7:30a but I have kids and I had to wait for my childcare (my sweet mother in law) to show up so I didn’t get there until 830ish. The line was around the block. I messaged some people I know to see if I could cut but it was a no go. The line moved really slow and I started questioning what I was doing there since my goal in going to the ticket sale was to get close. With so many in front of me, it started to feel like that it was gong to happen. Then the fox came around and told a bunch of us we might not reach the box office by three. They said we might want to leave because they can’t guarantee us tickets even if the show isn’t sold out.

I posted this information to fox theater thread on ets. I knew it would be seen. I was thinking maybe by reznor’s marketing people and they could make accommodations. I didn’t realize another ets member, a person I don’t even know would see my post. @tcrudolph messaged me from farther up the line and voluntarily bought 2 very good seats for me and my husband. Then he sold them to me on the street outside the venue, just feet away from where I met Trent Reznor for the first time in 1994. Tcrudolph’s kindness and consideration will be forever appreciated by me. ❤️

The fox did end up helping people who were in line at 3pm from what I’ve read.

To add to this, if I may, this was really about making a decision during crunch time when I was about 10 minutes in line from the box office to help a fellow fan that I had seen on the board for YEARS, follow on Instagram and Twitter, and knew was an enormous fan like myself and had been in line for hours already. The staff were a little all over the place with what info they had with regard to sales, seating, etc, and they were starting to announce, from what we understood, that tickets will NOT be sold at all after 3pm, when initially they said if you were in line by 3pm you would be able to purchase. To say it's against the spirit of the physical world presale, while I understand the sentiment, I don't really know... There were certainly obvious scalpers in there buying up the max amount of tickets for resale. I know someone that runs his own business as a reseller doing that kind of stuff, and I can't stand him. Crazy amounts of credit cards, fan club memberships, and contacts that will stand in line or let people into concerts to get paid, so I know it's happening there.

I purchased 4 tix for each night; 2 for my wife and I going both nights, 2 for two folks I wanted to bring the first night, and the remaining two for @sweeterthan because I wanted to help when things seemed like they could be getting tight and I knew she would appreciate having tickets when being in line by 830am looked like you may not even get them. If it wasn't someone I had interacted with before from this board living in the same city, and that I had been following on social media and felt like I somewhat knew by association, then I wouldn't have had any reason to do it. Just my two cents.

[kaydraven]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't dig the in-person event. I'm lucky that my wait wasn't super long, but still it sucked. And I tried to get out my comfort zone and strike up convos, but it never got far. I think the people I was around wanted to stick with their friend group, which is understandable. Still, at this point I'm glad I did it just to get my tickets. For comparison, I tried to get tickets via TM and after refreshing 5 times a pair came up. The total would've been 239 for two vs 209. Can't really beat that. But as I mentioned earlier, I would not want to do an in-person event again and I hope they find a better way to combat scalpers next time they tour.

[skullboy0]

So the tour sold out in less than one minute on line. Tried for Memphis no luck.

I just tried for one ticket & got a result.