Wow if that's really what the entire deviations package is we all got fucking ripped off.
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Captain Rustleboots
Wow if that's really what the entire deviations package is we all got fucking ripped off.
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Hairy Member
Oh, lord, here we fucking go. "Oh no, I paid a premium for a limited edition thing and it didn't make me involuntarily shit rainbows upon arrival! I was ripped off!"
And here I thought we were all adults.
Active Member
Some people might feel ripped off but so far it seems like most of us are just saying "Well, it's nice, but it's a little more bare bones than we were hoping for," and that's totally fair. If it's childish to feel like you didn't get your money's worth then it's even more childish to sit and dismiss and deride the people who feel that way.Originally Posted by tucker973
Captain Rustleboots
"Anyone who doesn't like the packaging isn't an adult"
- Tucker973
I haven't gotten mine yet, but Trent has a reputation when it comes to packaging, a good one. When the dude puts out the 4 record remaster of the fragile for $40 next to a 4 record release of b-sides and alternate versions of tracks of from that same album for $80 you expect a little more than bare bones packaging.
I'll reserve my full judgement until I open mine personally, but if what is pictured is fully representative of the actual release we were ripped off and taken advantage of.
But I haven't received my package yet, and I haven't experienced the entire product yet so we'll see.
Banned
Maybe it is Not The Actual Release...
Stubby Member
You know, the world isn't quite so black and white as you seem to think it is. I wasn't expecting to shit rainbows, though for $80 I was expecting at least a few small flourishes (though the blank parental advisory was a really nice touch).
Like I got Year Zero for less than a third of that price and it was a 2LP with an etching on one of the discs and a large liner-note's booklet with secrets.
For the record (pun!) though, I am still really looking forward to this arriving at my doorstep. Even more so at getting all the goodies in August (hopefully right around my birthday).
Last edited by GentlemanLoser; 06-28-2017 at 11:59 PM.
Professional Wrestler
Looks like I'll be getting mine tomorrow!
24.24.1.1397
Without looking at the photos (spoiler avoidance until I get mine) it sounds like we got exactly what we were told we were getting. After being given a chance to keep the digital files and get a complete refund, if you still feel like you didn't get your money's worth... that's kinda your fault.
Stubby Member
Actually we weren't told much of anything about what we were getting. We knew it was vinyl, contained some new (awesome) artwork, and that it contained instrumental tracks from The Fragile. That was about it. The advertising campaign since December has been intentionally vague and mysterious. There was a .pdf that showed artwork that would be used, but no context on the packaging.
Modern vinyl packages come in a multitude of styles, some are simple (and well rendered) like this one, others are more elaborate. Such as things like plastic slipcases ala The Downward Spiral deluxe CD from 2005, or bound book style packaging like Radiohead's recent similarly priced vinyl release of Moon Shaped Pool, or Bowie's Blackstar album with it's die-cut cover and somewhat special ink/printing-material pairings. Hell the description on nin.com didn't even explicitly leave colored vinyl off the table (though the thumbnail picture was black so it was an easy assumption). As some have suggested, there was the hope that there might at least be some extended liner notes (and for the record, the liner notes in the vinyl set are somewhat different from the .pdf, so that was by no means an outlandish possibility).
The fact was, we all knew it might just be a simple, straightforward rendering of the .pdf we got in the download. Some (possibly many) of us thought that perhaps the disproportionately hefty price tag (it contained 33% more vinyl than The Fragile but cost a 77% markup) at least suggested that the packaging might be slightly more creative. Of course I have always tried to keep my expectations in check, and knew full well that the package might not end up being particularly elaborate and scaled to something more simple and tasteful (and in truth, that probably would be better in keeping with The Fragile and Carson's established style), however it was neither indicated nor denied that it could have been something more.
Last edited by GentlemanLoser; 06-28-2017 at 11:38 PM.
Throbbing Member
So that wasn't a special edition Nine Inch Nails Lego Millennium Falcon that came with the vinyls?
Active Member
Now that would be worth $80 (and then some)!
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Throbbing Member
Remember Ghosts SE? That was $75.
Active Member
Indeed. It included 2 CDs, a DVD-ROM of multitrack files, a Blu-ray Disc of the album featuring a 96khz/24bit digital mix of the album as well as a slideshow, and a hardcover 48-page booklet in a black fabric slipcase.
Active Member
I think the tricky thing is that, since there's no digital download only option, the only money they're making from this is from those of us who were willing to shell out the $80, so in a way we're paying for its existence.
Look at it this way: Trent creates a Kickstarter page saying, "we want to do this cool instrumental, alternate version of The Fragile featuring lots of music you've never heard, but the only way we can justify it is if X people are willing to pay $80 for a vinyl and digital download. You won't be getting anything fancy, but we need that amount per person to justify doing it in the first place."
If you would have shelled out $80 for TF: D1 to be made and to get a copy when it was finished (granted plenty of people wouldn't), then you're not allowed to complain.
Last edited by Toadflax; 06-28-2017 at 10:01 PM.
Active Member
That was exactly what my thoughts were when I saw it too (that its the parental advisory logo without text). Weird...
what's this thing? New ARG flag?
the most logical explanation is that it could be the "parental advisory explicit content" logo with no text, since there are no lyrics
Throbbing Member
There's no mention of a book or anything like that on the product page (the Kickstarter comparison is very apt), so yeah. As far as the price, this still seems to be an Interscope product, and all of Trent's more innovative packaging after the music industry, uh, "re-structuring" has been on his independent releases.
Throbbing Member
I can see how this one could be different, but I think some of us were seduced by the giant mission statement on excellent physical releases. Still need to see it in person. I have faith in the DEs having more to them, as they already had specific artwork assigned to fit the concept (unlike this release).
Written commentary material would have been nice (not that I was fully expecting it), as TF1 in itself serves as a partial commentary of-sorts to TF, supplying a view into the background workings of the tracks and what could have been.
Last edited by blassster; 06-28-2017 at 11:21 PM.
Banned
That shit looks great! I'm going to go buy another copy just to keep sealed before it sells out forever..
Throbbing Member
Seeing those pictures actually makes me wish that I had pre-ordered. I dig the minimalism & I could imagine it is far more graceful holding it in your hands
All I ordered was the The Fragile reissue, might put in another order for this & Broken
Banned
Trent is so particular with things, I wonder why he removed the parenthesis?
Nine Inch Nails - France
Oh really ? It wasn't so particular with tons of things on last digital files... including artist name for AR+TR that were different on two legal albums, I know it's not the same, but I won't call him "particular with small details about track names"
she/her/hers
the Fragile Definitive Edition is only 3xLPs, not 4.
they weren't present on the digital download version, either (i just checked). that is interesting.
Banned
Man, what a narrative. So far we've got:
* Firebrand potentially sabotaging our products because they got dumped
* Sandbag using no quality control measures once they got the products
* Sandbag shipping the LPs in flimsy packaging with no inner protective means
* Scant, poor quality materials used for the LP packaging itself
* No official word yet from Trent on what has become a significant problem for many who invested in this LP package more than six months ago, and feel ripped off
Ffs, it's hard to believe it could come down to this..
Banned
lol that stupid commercial never gets old.
I can't explain why I do it -- mainly with TR's albums -- but I own 3 sealed copies of Deviations, a sealed original copy of The Fragile, a sealed original promo of TDS, and the sealed Social Network soundtrack vinyl that I never did open. Plus still-sealed copies of Welcome Oblivion, PHM 2010 and With Teeth. That one guy in your commercial nails it: I have one for playing, one for displaying, and one for...just because. I don't know why.
Most -- about 98% -- of my records get played and enjoyed. But there are some you just have to know that you have them, that stay sealed and never get played. Maybe it makes me a bigger Trent Reznor fan than most? Who knows.
Banned
God, this is so fucking pathetic, it's laughable at this point.
So the new "meticulously prepared" definitive reissues with "deluxe remastered artwork" have the same shitty sleeve quality as the Deviations package? And Sandshit are still shipping them with zero protective packaging?
Not trying to start a flame war or deliberately act like an asshole here, but some of you are complete fools if you stand for this horseshit any further. I say that out of empathy for this community and as a term of endearment, but FFS...burn this shitty, godforsaken distributor to the ground on social media and demand pristine replacements for what you paid upfront for eight goddamn months ago. If TR insists on using these dipshits for his store's distribution, then nothing is going to change moving forward unless significant noise is made. When is enough enough?
Banned
These "meticulously prepared definitive packages" that have poor quality sleeves are becoming (lol) a widespread issue around the web, too. Lots of people receiving the Broken package already coming apart due to poor craftsmanship, and the cheap gatefold sleeves for TDS and the Fragile already damaged due to the heaviness of the vinyl inside.
What was Trent thinking with this whole thing?
Captain Rustleboots
He needed to pay for the tour production and startup costs somehow.
Banned
They are both a large, which is my size
Normally, I would trade, but I already own 4 copies of Deviations, two of which I never asked for nor paid for. Sandbag is now literally sending me free, expensive merchandise with every order I place, because they're unable to perform simple everyday motor functions like reading and paying attention. I would actually feel kind of bad if they weren't such a shitty excuse for a distributor.
At this rate, I'll be able to open up my own NIN pop-up store and perhaps help some of these people actually get their hands on stuff they paid for close to a year ago..
Banned
Came home this evening to find out my NTAE vinyl finally arrived in the mail.
Wait...that came over three weeks ago, along with my other pre-order reissues.
Which means Sandbag sent me another copy of NTAE for no reason whatsoever. No prompting, no damaged packaging griping, nothing..
This has now become a running thing with them. Two additional Deviations packages, an extra hoodie and an extra beanie. Now a fresh, unordered copy of NTAE. Not to mention they refunded my shipping costs for the order where they jipped me out of a sticker pack and a keychain (which were promptly mailed out the next day at no additional cost).
I would feel a little bad if this company wasn't such a fucking punchline at this point. Hopefully @Sandbag is up for more charitable donations like an extra copy of The Fragile or perhaps another CITB package..
RA-MEN ROPPAI
Sounds like you should be making a "charitable donation" to someone on this board rather than waiting for more free stuff.
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