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    Quote Originally Posted by Sutekh View Post
    But yeah the fact it didn't cause any ripples shows how quickly things have moved on
    This is very true, and I think another factor is that people tended to assume he was talking out of his ass and making shit up because blahdeblah rockstar persona. At the time I really thought he was really starting to play to the hot topic crowd. "Look how edgy I am, I cut myself".

    So do we consider the lyrics to Heart-Shaped Glasses kinda troubling now or...

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    Manson vinyl is worth over $200- WTF???

    ls this like classic cars? They’re not much left, in demand, and people don’t really drive them but just collect them and make sure they’re in good mechanical/visual condition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    i also have the "dead to the world" VHS.
    Curious. What were your thoughts over the years you've had DTTW on this?

    (8:55)

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    The thing at the end was a film thing that he and his long time girlfriend missy did together. No real abuse was happening there. It was to “shock” people.

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    Mansons autobiography, which was full of stories of debauchery towards women, came out ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO. This isn't anything new, and if you kept supporting him up until now, only to jump ship with these recent "alligations", then i question weather you honestly care about this stuff or your just hopping on the next trendy bandwagon.

    Im just really getting sick of these outrage mobs, looking for the next "famous" person to tear down.

    (im sure ill get attacked for posting this, so bring it on)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SM Rollinger View Post
    Mansons autobiography, which was full of stories of debauchery towards women, came out ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO. This isn't anything new, and if you kept supporting him up until now, only to jump ship with these recent "alligations", then i question weather you honestly care about this stuff or your just hopping on the next trendy bandwagon.

    Im just really getting sick of these outrage mobs, looking for the next "famous" person to tear down.

    (im sure ill get attacked for posting this, so bring it on)
    ok, first of all, if you have ready anything i've written about on this board over the years, you would know that i'm not jumping on some trendy bandwagon. i'm a survivor of multiple sexual assaults as well as a four-year-long abusive relationship (where she continued to abuse me for another 7 months after we split). i'm extremely passionate and outspoken about this sort of thing, because i don't want anyone to have to endure the kind of shit that i did.

    secondly, this was my first time ever hearing any stories from someone else's perspective, which indicated to me that, rather than being exaggerated for shock value (or completely made up), it seems that he blurred the lines between his stage persona and his actual person, which is very, very bad. had i found out about all of this shit with evan rachel wood back when it happened, i would have jumped ship then and there.

    thirdly, what is wrong with holding people accountable and distancing yourself from them once you find out about awful things they've done? why do people get so up in arms about other people doing the right thing and calling out shitty behavior? why is it an "outrage mob" instead of "a group of people who don't want someone famous to get away with treating people horribly just because they're famous?" as soon as i found out about what jesse lacey had been doing, i couldn't listen to brand new anymore. all of it was tainted. a song would come on and i would immediately feel sick to my stomach. i was already on the fence with manson because of twiggy, and then when i found out about this, it was the same thing - i couldn't listen to the music without feeling sick.

    so take your attitude and shove it, dude. if you've never been the victim of assault/abuse then you don't understand the helplessness and worthlessness that gets embedded into you. and if you have and you still have this attitude, then you need to be in therapy.

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    Didn’t the autobiography have a caveat that 80% or so was fiction ? Also Rose McGowan dated him for some years and hadn’t accused him of anything like this so it seems to me like he became abusive once his career started going down the pan. That video where he beats to death someone who looks like Evan Rachel Wood is a big red flag though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    Manson vinyl is worth over $200- WTF???

    ls this like classic cars? They’re not much left, in demand, and people don’t really drive them but just collect them and make sure they’re in good mechanical/visual condition?
    It is typical of the era (90s to early 00s). Not a ton of vinyl was produced during the time, so original pressings of bands that released vinyl records goes for a premium. NIN's Fragile used to command around $200-400 before the vinyl re-issue drove the market down. I can tell you that the Mechanical Animals vinyl is a beauty, had one record that was white and the other that was blue, there wasn't a ton of colored vinyl then so when you opened it for the first time is was really cool. I can't find the interview but Manson had said something to the effect that he feels that the past isn't something he would desire to revisit when he was asked about possible remasters or vinyl re-issues, so the Manson records will hold their value for a while. My guess is he knows if he were to remaster/reissue it would mean having to pay royalties to ex- band members he may not be on the best of terms with. So, it sucks for the vinyl collector but if you want Manson records, they cost a LOT. Holy Wood and Golden Age of Grotesque are very rare, and I think the "Lest we forget' is the most rare of them all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thevoid99 View Post
    I always wondered what attracted Manson to ERW as I'm glad she's moved on from that relationship and is in a good place in her life.
    That whole time period was him just fucking the youngest looking girls he could find and be as rapey as possible. I have no fucking idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony.parente View Post
    That whole time period was him just fucking the youngest looking girls he could find and be as rapey as possible. I have no fucking idea.
    Probably realized that no women his own age would take him seriously enough to have a steady relationship with.

    I can't help but think, how would Manson be now if him and Rose never split. Maybe he wouldn't be the mess of an artist he is now. I have a feeling that divorce was the beginning of the end for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBurning View Post
    Probably realized that no women his own age would take him seriously enough to have a steady relationship with.

    I can't help but think, how would Manson be now if him and Rose never split. Maybe he wouldn't be the mess of an artist he is now. I have a feeling that divorce was the beginning of the end for him.
    Rose McGowen or Dita Von Teese?

    I truly believe 2004-2006 cease from music and Dita Von Teese destroyed his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Suicide View Post
    Rose McGowen or Dita Von Teese?


    I truly believe 2004-2006 cease from music and Dita Von Teese destroyed his career.
    Oh yeah, I forgot about dita von Teese, I always get those 2 mixed-up or sometimes think they were the same person lol.

    But that's what I meant, if his marriage with von Teese never fell apart, he'd probably still be on top of his game. That shit hit him hard. Don't blame him, it's hard to recover from something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SM Rollinger View Post
    Mansons autobiography, which was full of stories of debauchery towards women, came out ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO. This isn't anything new, and if you kept supporting him up until now, only to jump ship with these recent "alligations", then i question weather you honestly care about this stuff or your just hopping on the next trendy bandwagon.

    Im just really getting sick of these outrage mobs, looking for the next "famous" person to tear down.

    (im sure ill get attacked for posting this, so bring it on)
    As I recall, the book contains descriptions of consensual s&m stuff. If you can't see the difference between that and the stuff erw is describing, then I'm not sure what to say

    And what do you mean trendy bandwagon? Are you saying the recent wave of people (generally) coming forward with reports of abuse are just making it up, or that they're complaining about nothing

    If these celebrities actually did these things, why on earth would you object to whistleblowing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sutekh View Post
    As I recall, the book contains descriptions of consensual s&m stuff. If you can't see the difference between that and the stuff erw is describing, then I'm not sure what to say

    And what do you mean trendy bandwagon? Are you saying the recent wave of people (generally) coming forward with reports of abuse are just making it up, or that they're complaining about nothing

    If these celebrities actually did these things, why on earth would you object to whistleblowing
    I think what he meant is that none of this should be shocking or big news to Manson fans. But today, in 2018 it seems to be a big deal and some fans are up in arms, when they didn’t seem to care about it in 2016 and earlier, and they’re only reacting now because it’s the thing to do.

    I didn’t read the details of that girl’s accusations, but I can imagine how shitty her situation must have been. I guess all I can do is say I’m glad she got out of it.

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    Aye cause ten years ago was ten years ago, we were younger and sexism was more commonplace and acceptable. Embarassing, but true. I don't think anyone is feigning outrage to appear right-on, and making such an assumption is pretty revealing

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    The stuff in his autobiography sounded consensual but morally questionable. Modern day ideologues would probably make the argument that he used his position of power to exercise an unfair advantage over the some of these women which to them might equal sexual abuse.

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    Been a while but the anecdotes I recall were all consensual if undignified. They involved:

    -The backstage confessions (audible on the recalled SLC promo)

    -Trent and Manson blindfolding a girl (described unflatteringly as a "sea creature"), finding probable evidence of a yeast infection in her nether regions and calling an end to the night.

    -Enema contest

    -Urinating on a deaf girl, who gave the proviso that it was fine as long as it didn't get into her eyes. The awful part was when Pogo shouted something really nasty and Manson noted that was too much. They then had Daisy get in the shower with her without the knowledge she was covered with urine.

    To the credit to some of those involved, throughout there does appear to be caution in the air when things seem to be going too far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfte View Post
    The stuff in his autobiography sounded consensual but morally questionable. Modern day ideologues would probably make the argument that he used his position of power to exercise an unfair advantage over the some of these women which to them might equal sexual abuse.
    I can see that, but it edges towards claiming that having sex with someone lower down the socio economic ladder is wrong... which sounds a bit like caste/class rules. Very tricky

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piko View Post
    They caved. Now it's called Wrestlemania Women's Battle Royal. Not sure why they can't just name it after someone else. I get them not going the Chyna route. But there's so many other options. Sheri, Richter?
    wrong thread bruh

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    Quote Originally Posted by SM Rollinger View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Piko
    They caved. Now it's called Wrestlemania Women's Battle Royal. Not sure why they can't just name it after someone else. I get them not going the Chyna route. But there's so many other options. Sheri, Richter?
    wrong thread bruh
    Yeah, the Smashing Pumpkins thread is thattaway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by imail724 View Post
    Yeah, the Smashing Pumpkins thread is thattaway!
    If I wanted to talk about buying an obsolete, irrelevant wrestling promotion, absolutely haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thevoid99 View Post
    What the fucking fuck?
    Starfuckers Incorporated!

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    zzzzZZZZZZZ...

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    Well, whatever chance for a Trent-Manson reunion is pretty much dead and stay dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thevoid99 View Post
    "acclaimed 2017 album ..."

    hahaha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kel View Post
    "acclaimed 2017 album ..."

    hahaha.
    It was liked by critics. Dont know why.

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    So, Manson's monochrome CMYK-style tattoo was on full display in that...bewildering and surprisingly uninteresting new video...which may or may not be an uninspired riff off of the video for "The Dope Show." Ahem. Sorry. Lot more to say than I'd originally thought, I guess.

    I may have previously mentioned my disdain for that particular iconography, but I don't think I ever got a decent counterargument for why it's any more redeemable than I originally thought. Can anyone give me a good explanation of how his CMYK-era tattoo/symbol is anything other than a swastika for someone who's too "edgy" to not get a quasi-ironic swastika tattoo—which, it appears, is a thing—yet also too, uh, sensible(?), or not anti-semitic enough, or, I guess, not truly ballsy enough to get a full-on quasi-ironic swastika tattoo?

    And if that multi-clause sentence was too messy to parse: Why are more people not talking about how this idiot has a not-very-thickly-veiled swastika tattoo smack in the middle of his chest? Did I miss a nuanced discussion of this sometime in the past few years?



    Seriously. Dude was my goddamned hero for a good chunk of the nineties, a good chunk of my adolescence. I want to think he's still all there, still firing on at least most of his cylinders. But come the fuck on.
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    Marilyn Manson

    Do I think he is anti Semitic? No. Racist? No

    Do I think its classless, yea. Guy still thinks he is controversial. But if its offending you, then its working. There is a difference between being Marilyn Manson and gathering with other insecure white men and burning tiki torches.

    Its like saying Jeff Hanneman of slayer was a nazi supporter because alot of his lyrics dealt with nazi shit from ww2. That was because his dad or grandfather was
    in the war and brought home pieces and weapons from the german army.

    Also, you said dude was a childhood hero. That right there just means you grew out of it and the music doesn’t speak to you anymore. Hell its doesnt speak to alot of us in here. Leave it for the kids of today. Some people my age throw nin in that category ( even though they are wrong.)
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