Marilyn Manson

[tony.parente]

I would say not since Holywood era......high end of low era he was already coked out of his skull and falling off stages on a nightly basis

I mean sure but at least there was some resemblance to theatrics to the stage show. Now he just comes on, stumbles and rolls around for 45 minutes and leaves. SOMETIMES we get a hat.

[Space Suicide]

I would say not since Holywood era......high end of low era he was already coked out of his skull and falling off stages on a nightly basis

Grotesque era, I last saw them during that era and can vouch for it being a high effort show.

That requires effort. Manson hasn't put effort in a live show since the high end of low era.

Based on bootleg recordings and pro-shot material, I'd say the 2007/2008 Rape of the World Tour. I always say this but Eat Me, Drink Me was his last cohesive album with thematics, imagery, conceptual ideas and overall focus. He hasn't done it ever since to the same levels. The Pale Emperor comes close but the lyrical content is all over the place on that one.

[elevenism]

His obvious discomfort is embarrassing, especially since it’s coming from somebody who used to embody confidence in the unconventional...

sorry to take you out of context, but i especially like this bit.

i wish this cat would just, legitimately not give a fuck, a la, idk, Buzz Melvin, or Alice Cooper, or Iggy Pop. i wish he could just be himself.

perhaps the problem is that his "self" is a fucking pop art production piece, and too much so.

i honestly feel bad for the dude.

[dlb]

Don't forget that this was also used to promote the Not Another Teen Movie flick in 2001 with actors being in the music video.

[xfilian]

Lmao all of you guys who were just bashing him a week ago are now freaking out over the whispers of a possible new album and release date. Love it

Well I believe this is the first time I have commented on the thread. Just happened to see that listing on Ebay and thought it may arouse some interest on here.

As for Manson - well he was the soundtrack to the latter part of my youth. I like him and the world needs rock stars like him, particularly in this clean cut era. He is the last of a dying breed. OK, so he does too much coke, fucks loads of women, makes crass comments and appears in public and in concert in a fucked up state. Good. He should be unacceptable, he should piss people off, he should leave people with negative opinions of him. He always has. Manson turning into a vegan, drinking mineral water and visiting the gym? No thanks.

People dig too deep and expect too much from the man regarding his relevance and so on. Like another Brian, he's not the messiah, just a very naughty boy.

[tony.parente]

Well I believe this is the first time I have commented on the thread. Just happened to see that listing on Ebay and thought it may arouse some interest on here.

As for Manson - well he was the soundtrack to the latter part of my youth. I like him and the world needs rock stars like him, particularly in this clean cut era. He is the last of a dying breed. OK, so he does too much coke, fucks loads of women, makes crass comments and appears in public and in concert in a fucked up state. Good. He should be unacceptable, he should piss people off, he should leave people with negative opinions of him. He always has. Manson turning into a vegan, drinking mineral water and visiting the gym? No thanks.

People dig too deep and expect too much from the man regarding his relevance and so on. Like another Brian, he's not the messiah, just a very naughty boy.

He’s a moldy twinkie

[imail724]

This was the end right here, not the song or video itself because it's a great cover, it was just the last time he was anything resembling the Marilyn Manson that shocked the world in the 90s, the Marilyn Manson who gave performances that actually felt like they meant something. The last time he was culturally relevant.

Once he put those grills on it was all downhill from there.

[fillow]

Fun fact, this is his only song and video that has both Twiggy and Skold

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

MTV was huge for him in the mid/late 90's in the way it was huge for people like Billy Idol in the 80's. His videos got tons of airplay and he was able to do whatever arty thing he wanted to do in those videos. MTV got to push the whole "Manson is the devil and will scare your parents away" narrative. He played the VMA's 2 YEARS IN A ROW. Only Madonna got that type of treatment. MTV was just as responsible as Trent for bringing Manson to the mainstream. Interesting how once MTV seemed to death spiral to irrelevance around 2004, is also around the time Manson stopped being as relevant in the mainstream....The death of MTV might have affected him more than anybody else

[jmtd]

I remember him hosting MTV icon in 2004 and he was a mess

[Archive_Reports]

I will listen to whatever this dude puts out but my expectations will be forever tempered.

[firewlker]

Well I believe this is the first time I have commented on the thread. Just happened to see that listing on Ebay and thought it may arouse some interest on here.

As for Manson - well he was the soundtrack to the latter part of my youth. I like him and the world needs rock stars like him, particularly in this clean cut era. He is the last of a dying breed. OK, so he does too much coke, fucks loads of women, makes crass comments and appears in public and in concert in a fucked up state. Good. He should be unacceptable, he should piss people off, he should leave people with negative opinions of him. He always has. Manson turning into a vegan, drinking mineral water and visiting the gym? No thanks.

People dig too deep and expect too much from the man regarding his relevance and so on. Like another Brian, he's not the messiah, just a very naughty boy.

It's fun to read that because I'm sure that some fitness vegan guy that drinks mineral water would be pissing people more than goth grandpa who can't sing his biggest single without messing up and blaming his bandmates.

[eachpassingphase]

Just re-listened to Killing Strangers. I don't care for the lyrics, but damn I love his voice in this. I like hearing him go all over the place and letting his voice tear up like that. It's cool to hear the imperfections/breaks in a singer's voice.

[NotoriousTIMP]

I remember him hosting MTV icon in 2004 and he was a mess

I could only find him presenting the ICON award to The Cure, is this what you might be thinking about?

[wight rabbit]

Just re-listened to Killing Strangers. I don't care for the lyrics, but damn I love his voice in this. I like hearing him go all over the place and letting his voice tear up like that. It's cool to hear the imperfections/breaks in a singer's voice.

That's what I love most about The Pale Emperor. Every song has that sort of rawness to it. Hell, they even left in Manson fucking up his own lyrics in
"Deep Six": at the end of the song, the last time he sings "You wanna know what Zeus said to Narcissus" he very clearly says "narcissist" instead.

As someone that's grown tired of overproduced, let's-take-all-the-human-qualities-out recordings, that album was very refreshing. At least vocally.

[ManBurning]

I stopped looking at this thread a few days ago, because I thought it was all the usual "he's fat. He sucks" but... people are actually having a respectful discussion about Manson now in here? I'm blown away!

He doesn't even need to do different setlist for every concert of the whole tour, but there's a lot of songs that could be played live like Fundamentally Loathsome, specially at the time Tyler was on live band so there was two guitar on the concerts. But MM STRUGGLES to play Beautiful People, he probably doesn't even do rehearsals, his fans are alienated enough to keep paying to see him playing live drunk and not giving a fuck.

Yeah, I said a while back he probably just gives whatever backup band he has hired for the new tour the same 10 old songs + whatever 2 new singles he has from the new album he is promoting and tells them to rehearse while he goes on a bender in the back lane, blacks out, vomits, rolls around and passes out til tour time. Then someone grabs him from the alley and throws him on the tour bus. Band is usually tight, but then he opens his mouth.

Just imagine a "cold and black and infinite" type of tour with Manson playing rare gems and mixing them up every night. That would be the day. Won't ever happen though. He has poor work ethic. It's unfortunate too. If he took his work more serious, he'd still be worth checking out on the road. I feel bad for all the teens of today seeing him for the first time and they think the show was amazing.

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

It goes back to his managers and tour handlers and even band members to intervene. When the lead singer is fucked out of his skull but brings in money, what is the right thing to do. Should they stop the tour and put the singer in a rehab for a year (thusly losing money they would get off touring) or do they just keep chugging along business as usual. So instead of stopping the tour, they just drag the singer onstage every night and prop them up to slur through 60 minutes and then after the show the singer gets bombed out of his skull and gets dragged back to the hotel room or trailer to pass out. Next day. Wash. Rinse. Repeat....Thats what they did on Scott Weilands last tour and we saw how he ended up. Depeche Mode's 93/94 tour Dave Gahan was an absolute wreck and they just kept touring and touring and touring until he eventually bottomed out after the tour. Phil Anselmo had a heroin OD in the middle of a Pantera tour and was pronounced dead for 3 minutes before being revived. And went back on tour the NEXT DAY. How many Nirvana tours kept plugging along when the band should have been shut down so Kurt could get his shit together. Once the train gets rolling, nobody wants to stop it until its too late......

[wight rabbit]

It goes back to his managers and tour handlers and even band members to intervene. When the lead singer is fucked out of his skull but brings in money, what is the right thing to do. Should they stop the tour and put the singer in a rehab for a year (thusly losing money they would get off touring) or do they just keep chugging along business as usual. So instead of stopping the tour, they just drag the singer onstage every night and prop them up to slur through 60 minutes and then after the show the singer gets bombed out of his skull and gets dragged back to the hotel room or trailer to pass out. Next day. Wash. Rinse. Repeat....Thats what they did on Scott Weilands last tour and we saw how he ended up. Depeche Mode's 93/94 tour Dave Gahan was an absolute wreck and they just kept touring and touring and touring until he eventually bottomed out after the tour. Phil Anselmo had a heroin OD in the middle of a Pantera tour and was pronounced dead for 3 minutes before being revived. And went back on tour the NEXT DAY. How many Nirvana tours kept plugging along when the band should have been shut down so Kurt could get his shit together. Once the train gets rolling, nobody wants to stop it until its too late......

That's unfortunate... You'd think a smart business decision would be to get help for an artist that is clearly having problems. Wouldn't that yield a better investment in the end?

[Archive_Reports]

Ultimately you can't force someone to get help.

[firewlker]

Just imagine a "cold and black and infinite" type of tour with Manson playing rare gems and mixing them up every night. That would be the day. Won't ever happen though. He has poor work ethic. It's unfortunate too. If he took his work more serious, he'd still be worth checking out on the road. I feel bad for all the teens of today seeing him for the first time and they think the show was amazing.

I remember him saying somewhere between 2009-2010 about doing a three night row playing ACSS, MA and HW. One each night. hahaha.

[firewlker]

I assumed that came to pass and I missed it. I guess it didn’t?

I would’ve paid the price of admission for “Fundamentally Loathsome” alone. I think my brain filed away in its Illogical Unquestioned Assumptions Center that they played this once and once only during that show?

Nah, didn't happened but I'll surely pretend it was real on Watchmen timeline.

[ManBurning]

Nah, didn't happened but I'll surely pretend it was real on Watchmen timeline.

I mean, there's definitely an alternate universe/timeline going on. Don't forget, the studio version of "Born Again" from Holy Wood was recorded live on Feb 14th, 1997... as per the liner notes anyway, lol.

[ManBurning]

It could easily be an in-studio live recording, like Smashing Pumpkins' XYU.

Shhhhh. I like my "Alternate Timeline" "Manson has a time machine" theory, lol.

[Archive_Reports]

Manson in the studio with A$ap Ferg.

[october_midnight]

*trash emoji*

[Erneuert]

So was that supposed eBay album title bogus?

[firewlker]

manson in the studio with a$ap ferg.

a$apchrist superstar

[eachpassingphase]

It's so interesting to me how many hip hop artists are interested in Manson. In the 90's I would have never predicted hearing him repeatedly name dropped in rap songs and performing at hip hop festivals. I have no idea who a$asp ferg is, but I love Kendrick, Travis Scott and JPEGMAFIA and they've all mentioned liking his music at some point or another.

Also, I found this shirt the other day on a store website called Gothic Lamb and it made me smile.

[rampface]

The idea of Marilyn Manson as a band was inspired by 2 Live Crew so I'm not surprised

[bobbie solo]

I am a fan of ASAP Ferg but this will be trasshhhhhh.