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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    Yeah, that's a total cop-out answer. Is he saying all art belongs to the public once it's released? Would he proudly hang up one of Hitler's paintings because he thought it looked pretty? If not, then his answer isn't about the art being public, it's about his personal definition of "how bad is too bad" when it comes to an artist's behavior, and he's saying that he's got a high tolerance.
    I listen to and genuinely enjoy Look at Your Game, Girl by Charles Manson. It's a good song, and I enjoy it because it's good. The fact that the guy who wrote it was pure evil doesn't affect my enjoyment of it at all. I would happily listen to it publicly and not feel ashamed that I like it. Some people look at things differently than you do, and may mean exactly what they say when they say that they separate the art from the artist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demogorgon View Post
    I've used this example before, and it still holds true: I used to be a Lostprophets fan. All the way up until the details of his seriously awful behavior that got him jailed. I thought to myself, initially, that, "oh, well, i'm not going to buy any of their shit anymore, but, i still like the music so i'll probably still listen." Only... i didn't listen. It wasn't even a conscious choice. I'd be scrolling through my music library, i'd see their stuff come up, and think sure, i'll put that on. But i'd hesitate. I'd sit, and i'd look at it, and then i'd skip it. No conscious thought, just a skip. It's been years now and i still don't listen. Some people are just so truly awful that it doesn't matter how good their art was. What they've done creeps into your psyche and you just can't stomach to hear them sing or speak or whatever anymore. I feel like that kind of decision is personal for each individual, but when a musician becomes a monster, that crosses my lines.
    I mostly side with separating the art from the creator unless it's extreme circumstances. I've never listened to Lost Prophets but jesus fucking christ how could ANYONE after knowing that story. Those extreme type of situations are unforgivable and that art should be wiped from existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rampface View Post
    I mostly side with separating the art from the creator unless it's extreme circumstances. I've never listened to Lost Prophets but jesus fucking christ how could ANYONE after knowing that story. Those extreme type of situations are unforgivable and that art should be wiped from existence.
    I have no idea what anyone is talking about with LP (never even fucking heard of them), but I assume you'd lump "art created by serial killers" into the extreme circumstances category, yes?

    Quote Originally Posted by zecho View Post
    I listen to and genuinely enjoy Look at Your Game, Girl by Charles Manson. It's a good song, and I enjoy it because it's good. The fact that the guy who wrote it was pure evil doesn't affect my enjoyment of it at all. I would happily listen to it publicly and not feel ashamed that I like it. Some people look at things differently than you do, and may mean exactly what they say when they say that they separate the art from the artist.
    I guess I can't do that as easily. If somebody wronged me personally (and I mean raped me or something, not just called me a doody head), I would never want anything to do with them ever again, and that includes consuming anything they created. I extend that same attitude towards people who have wronged someone else in the same manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    I have no idea what anyone is talking about with LP (never even fucking heard of them), but I assume you'd lump "art created by serial killers" into the extreme circumstances category, yes?
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-25108439 A guy who literally raped children.

    I do think this is interesting to talk about the value of art, even if by a serial killer - since the whole history of MM was basically created from the juxtaposition of society's fascination with both celebrities and killers.
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    This is an interesting subject. Byron committed incest. Flaubert apparently had sex with underage male prostitutes. Lovecraft, Eliot, Wagner: all racists. But society has forgiven them, to a degree, I guess?
    as I've mentioned before, Peter Steele tried to get my sixteen year old girlfriend backstage with him, after people tried bringing her drinks "from the band." I didn't even think about her age at the time so much as that she was my girlfriend, and, that story is more fucked up now that I'm older. I still listen to Type O. And what about Bowie and Jimmy Page?

    In some cases I can separate the art from the artist, I guess.

    Edit: @theimage13 , the singer of Lostprophets raped an actual baby, among other things, so, yeah, it's an extreme example :/ that's certainly a case where I CAN'T make the separation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    I have no idea what anyone is talking about with LP (never even fucking heard of them), but I assume you'd lump "art created by serial killers" into the extreme circumstances category, yes?



    I guess I can't do that as easily. If somebody wronged me personally (and I mean raped me or something, not just called me a doody head), I would never want anything to do with them ever again, and that includes consuming anything they created. I extend that same attitude towards people who have wronged someone else in the same manner.
    Ilan Rubin was the drummer for Lost Prophets before he got the NIN gig. They gave him a funny leaving letter made up of NIN lyrics

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    So Manson gonna appear in a miniseries adaptation of The Stand, by Stephen King.

    https://comicbook.com/horror/2019/07...-stephen-king/

    People are thinking he might play Randall Flagg/The Man in Black.

    I wonder if he could pull that off.
    Was just talking about this with my husband who is a big Stephen King fan and was aghast at the possibility of MM being Flagg. He suggested he could play a character from the book called Rat Man (who was black in the book) who dressed as a pirate and was considered too creepy to sleep with by the woman who shagged Flagg. Possibility? I donít think the character was included in the previous mini series


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    Quote Originally Posted by WorzelG View Post
    Was just talking about this with my husband who is a big Stephen King fan and was aghast at the possibility of MM being Flagg. He suggested he could play a character from the book called Rat Man (who was black in the book) who dressed as a pirate and was considered too creepy to sleep with by the woman who shagged Flagg. Possibility? I don’t think the character was included in the previous mini series


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    Rat Man was actually in the miniseries i think.

    There are a a LOT of characters in that book- around thirty with names if i remember correctly. Maybe MM plays a small role. Also, maybe they are going to do something interesting and cast against his perceived type. OR, hell, idk- Maybe he plays The Man in Black and turns in a great performance.
    Stranger things have happened.
    But, it would have made more sense 20 years ago, you know?

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    Manson's acting is terrible so the smaller the role - the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fillow View Post
    Manson's acting is terrible so the smaller the role - the better.
    I have no idea what you're talking about.


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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    I have no idea what you're talking about.

    I liked him on Tim and Eric haha.

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    Brian's best acting performance.

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    I'll add this to the list.


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    Encoding my MM CDs; Portrait -> Eat Me...Drink Me

    So many CD-singles... so many...

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    Billboard is acknowledging Portrait of an American Family's 25th birthday.

    https://www.billboard.com/articles/c...ly-anniversary

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    Quote Originally Posted by halo eighteen View Post
    Billboard is acknowledging Portrait of an American Family's 25th birthday.

    https://www.billboard.com/articles/c...ly-anniversary
    Cool! Would be nice if we got a 25th anniversary repress on vinyl, but I'm not holding my breath.

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    Yeah that would be nice, I have a hot topic repress from a few years back.

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    Can't even remember the last time I listened to that. Maybe I'll give that a spin tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halo eighteen View Post
    Billboard is acknowledging Portrait of an American Family's 25th birthday.

    https://www.billboard.com/articles/c...ly-anniversary
    How weird is that. Randomly put that album on at the gym yesterday. Had no idea it was the 25th birthday.

    Also found myself wishing for a remastered release. Doubt it would ever happen though.

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    A nicely done and comprehensive reissue of the spooky kids tapes would be more interesting, there's some fun stuff on these.

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    Ok I'm in the venue so hopefully ill be seeing mr. Mansboob and co.

    I'm expecting him to embarrass himself in front of my hometown, but we will see how this goes. Not optimistic here guys...

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    Meah wasn't terrible but he was obviously trashed. Smoked a joint onstage which is ballsy considering it isn't legal here and we have a indoor smoking ban.

    I taped but my right mic isn't working so it will be mono.

    edit: this tape, even in mono, sounds awesome, but Manson sounds HAMBONED throughout, to the point where it's almost embarrassing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SM Rollinger View Post
    but Manson sounds HAMBONED throughout, to the point where it's almost embarrassing.
    "Just a copy of a imitation"?

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    So as I encode my Manson CDs, it's interesting to hear them again as one big solid lump.

    ACSS->MA->HW is still good to listen to as is, and I like hearing how much of ACSS and MA are both in HW.

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    Ok guys I'm not even going to try and defend this performance, Manson is awful but the band sounds tight as hell. Brandon is a awesome new addition to the band, hopefully Brian is paying these guys well!

    Download link is in the comments.

    Not my tape but if you're a bitter old man (or woman) like me that longs for "the good ole days"....
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    Maybe he just needs some quality DDP Yoga is DDP...... and yes I would watch a documentary about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLobster View Post
    Maybe he just needs some quality DDP Yoga is DDP...... and yes I would watch a documentary about that.
    Seriously if he would get with a producer that wouldn't just let him do whatever he wanted, helped him focus his ideas and write some good lyrics, hire a personal trainer and lose some weight (he is a THICC BOI), and start taking his live shows serious instead of a paycheck and phoning it in everynight, he could regain the throne as the god of fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SM Rollinger View Post
    Seriously if he would get with a producer that wouldn't just let him do whatever he wanted, helped him focus his ideas and write some good lyrics, hire a personal trainer and lose some weight (he is a THICC BOI), and start taking his live shows serious instead of a paycheck and phoning it in everynight, he could regain the throne as the god of fuck.

    It will never happen as long as his fanbase stops kissing his ass and lets him know how much he sucks. The fact that people keep going to his shows and has yes men around him makes him believe he is doing great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SM Rollinger View Post
    ... he could regain the throne as the god of fuck.
    awfully lofty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kel View Post
    awfully lofty.
    Now he's just the god of fuck no.

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