Texas Roll Call

[elevenism]

So how many of you guys are from TX?

I was born in amarillo and moved to dallas at 7 years old.

I lived in dallas for the next 24 years or so.

Now i live in stratford, eighty miles north of amarillo.

[Kid Charlemagne]

San Antonio right here! I think I'm the only active user in the South Texas area, so I make up a lot of ground.

[elevenism]

Hell yeah @Kid Charlemagne .
I'm pretty damn sure i;m the only user in the panhandle. i live here...second county from the left in Stratford.
And btw, it is currently fucking FREEEZING!!!!!!!
To go to walmart or visit a dr AT ALL, we have to drive to dumas.
To catch a movie, visit a bookstore or a mall, see a DECENT dr, or any of that cool shit, we have to go all the way to amarillo

Yup. i represent a shitload of the state myself

[Kid Charlemagne]

Can't imagine living in that area dude, you're stronger than me. I hate the traffic here, but I enjoy living in my big city.

[theimage13]

Not from there, but I spent a year in Levelland (I don't expect people who were born in the state to know where that is. Tiny, tiny little place.)

No offense, but it pretty much made me hate the entire state and all that "Texas" stands for. I've since been to Austin and didn't really mind it. But where I lived, you were basically considered a horrible human being if you weren't a heterosexual conservative Christian, and I spent a lot of time biting my tongue in order to make sure I didn't commit career suicide.

[Space Suicide]

I don't live in Texas but I used to visit my last (ex) girlfriend since she lived in Wichita Falls.

You guys have that dry heat. I couldn't stand it.

[elevenism]

Can't imagine living in that area dude, you're stronger than me. I hate the traffic here, but I enjoy living in my big city.

Man, after years of living in bad dallas neighborhoods and standing out in the cold waiting on the bus and shit, it's been nice. It really has.
@theimage13 , i can feel you.
And Stratford, population 1900, has that same fucked up vibe.
Also, keep in mind that i have 1" holes in my lobes, 1/4" holes in my conches, and my hair is over 2 feet long. And i'm about an eighth of an inch to the right of being a socialist.
People look at me fucked up here. But you know what? This town probably wouldn't EXIST anymore if it weren't for my family. My grandfather built a massive feed yard out here that provided jobs to half the town. He was the president of the bank. He had a fucking airplane. George W Bush worked for him there at one point in time. (Stratford of Texas was my grandfather's company.)
So FUCK those people.

Also, i don't really leave the house much.
Seriously.

I still love texas though. There is a certain intangible quality to it that is just indescribable. I honestly don't know how to explain the "spirit" of texas, but it's very real. I live in Texas and Texas lives in me.

Also, remember...i spent most of my life in dallas. And dallas is just another massive metro, like Chicago or Los Angeles.

[allegro]

Man, after years of living in bad dallas neighborhoods and standing out in the cold waiting on the bus and shit, it's been nice. It really has.
@theimage13 , i can feel you.
And Stratford, population 1900, has that same fucked up vibe.
Also, keep in mind that i have 1" holes in my lobes, 1/4" holes in my conches, and my hair is over 2 feet long. And i'm about an eighth of an inch to the right of being a socialist.
People look at me fucked up here. But you know what? This town probably wouldn't EXIST anymore if it weren't for my family. My grandfather built a massive feed yard out here that provided jobs to half the town. He was the president of the bank. He had a fucking airplane. George W Bush worked for him there at one point in time. (Stratford of Texas was my grandfather's company.)
So FUCK those people.

Also, i don't really leave the house much.
Seriously.

I still love texas though. There is a certain intangible quality to it that is just indescribable. I honestly don't know how to explain the "spirit" of texas, but it's very real. I live in Texas and Texas lives in me.

Also, remember...i spent most of my life in dallas. And dallas is just another massive metro, like Chicago or Los Angeles.

Is your grandfather Robert H Gow?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...bush072899.htm

http://www.texasmonthly.com/content/green-acres

[allegro]

Also, Northerners generally suffer from culture shock when we go South. It's just totally different. We were considering moving to North Carolina because real estate taxes are so cheap; Cary, a suburb of Raleigh-Durham, is known by locals as Containment Area for Relocated Yankees. Just so you understand.

[elevenism]

Bob Gow was my grandfather's business partner, @allegro.
He is a shady, slimy, skull and bonesman. And he took over the company when my grandfather died under VERY mysterious circumstances, VERY shortly after his association with GWB, WAY before i was born.

And now, not only is pretty much every fucking trace of my grandfather erased from the internet, there are file cabinets full of documents that had been taped shut, supposedly since the seventies, in our garage.

I opened the motherfuckers when i started putting two and two together about my grandfather's death not being an accident...and there was nothing there but dust.

Local lore is that my grandfather, William Jackson, was killed in a mafia hit.

But to me it's pretty obvious that it had something to do with Gow.

Keep reading about him and you will see that he has been implicated as a covert cia asset, as having taken part in the bay of pigs, in the fucking JFK killing...it's fucking disturbing.

THAT's why i believe in conspiracy shit.

http://www.madcowprod.com/index47bb.html

I choose to believe that my grandfather was not the same type of man as Gow.
I also think that's why he is gone.

When you here about all those trips to south america, and the indoor plant company and fake plant company, which was a cover for god knows what...my house is FULL of remnants of that enterprise.

I actually have the windows in my bedroom wreathed with the fake foliage.
It's kind of a creepy part of history.

So, seriously...do you see why conspiracy theories hit kind of close to home for me?

There isn't even a fucking traffic light in this town.
My grandfather supposedly ACCIDENTALLY crashed his car into a house and hit it just right so that the gas tank blew up.
He was 44, a multimillionaire, happily married, two daughters...
there was a gun in his glove box. He didn't carry a gun.
I have gone and walked the path he supposedly drove....it's UTTERLy fucking impossible.

[Space Suicide]

Also, Northerners generally suffer from culture shock when we go South. It's just totally different. We were considering moving to North Carolina because real estate taxes are so cheap; Cary, a suburb of Raleigh-Durham, is known by locals as Containment Area for Relocated Yankees. Just so you understand.

Come to NC, you'll enjoy it.

I live an hour north of the Charlotte area. Pleasantly nice. My fanmily's roots are in New Jersey and New York so yeah, long way from "home" that's for sure.

[elevenism]

@Space Suicide , i can not get ENOUGH of your avatar and title thingy.
Every time i see it, i can fucking HEAR it, lol.

[allegro]

Bob Gow was my grandfather's business partner, @allegro.
He is a shady, slimy, skull and bonesman. And he took over the company when my grandfather died under VERY mysterious circumstances, VERY shortly after his association with GWB, WAY before i was born.

And now, not only is pretty much every fucking trace of my grandfather erased from the internet, there are file cabinets full of documents that had been taped shut, supposedly since the seventies, in our garage.

I opened the motherfuckers when i started putting two and two together about my grandfather's death not being an accident...and there was nothing there but dust.

Local lore is that my grandfather, William Jackson, was killed in a mafia hit.

But to me it's pretty obvious that it had something to do with Gow.

Keep reading about him and you will see that he has been implicated as a covert cia asset, as having taken part in the bay of pigs, in the fucking JFK killing...it's fucking disturbing.

THAT's why i believe in conspiracy shit.

http://www.madcowprod.com/index47bb.html

I choose to believe that my grandfather was not the same type of man as Gow.
I also think that's why he is gone.

When you here about all those trips to south america, and the indoor plant company and fake plant company, which was a cover for god knows what...my house is FULL of remnants of that enterprise.

I actually have the windows in my bedroom wreathed with the fake foliage.
It's kind of a creepy part of history.

So, seriously...do you see why conspiracy theories hit kind of close to home for me?

There isn't even a fucking traffic light in this town.
My grandfather supposedly ACCIDENTALLY crashed his car into a house and hit it just right so that the gas tank blew up.
He was 44, a multimillionaire, happily married, two daughters...
there was a gun in his glove box. He didn't carry a gun.
I have gone and walked the path he supposedly drove....it's UTTERLy fucking impossible.

Gow supposedly started the company on his own via Yale affiliations, then it eventually folded as a terrible failure. The company bankruptcy papers are available online. The company's failure was so catastrophic and stupid, it's taught in business schools. Yale skull and bones usually has no mob affiliations, though; just old East Coast money. The Bush family ain"t from Texas; they're old old old NE money.

Since there was no "Internet" before 1996 or so, I doubt he was erased; probably more like "never added." Not everything or everyone ended up on the Internet; somebody has to physically scan it or add it.

http://openjurist.org/635/f2d/365/st...-texas-inc-iii

Is it possible that the company was such a colossal failure that your grandfather committed suicide?

[allegro]

Come to NC, you'll enjoy it.

I live an hour north of the Charlotte area. Pleasantly nice. My fanmily's roots are in New Jersey and New York so yeah, long way from "home" that's for sure.

We have to visit a few times, probably rent. Lake Norman has nice boating so we could bring the boat down there. We know quite a few retired (Northern) air traffic controllers who moved to the Charlotte area and like it (closer to Matthews, though), but the summers might KILL me, I'd need a pool, lol. And my allergies are worrying me, I've heard horror stories. But the property taxes are so cheap compared to here, omg. We'd probably sell our house, buy a vacant lot and build new construction. Of all the Southern states, NC is the only one we could possibly tolerate. So long as I can stay away from fucking NASCAR.

[elevenism]

Gow supposedly started th company on his own, then it eventually folded as a terrible failure. The company bankruptcy papers are available online. The company's failure was so catastrophic and stupid, it's taught in business schools. Yale skull and crossbones usually has no mob affiliations, though; just old East Coast money. The Bush family ain"t from Texas; they're old old old NE money.

i know it's strange, it is.
but my grandfather started that company. he's a legend in this town.
AND, they managed to profit quite fantastically from SOMETHING...i still live on that money. My mother is set for life from that money.
I honestly am not so sure what all he was in to...i know we get oil checks and stock checks...there's also a farm.
Maybe some of the assets weren't part of "stratford of texas."
Someone else owns the feed yard now.

The only place i've ever seen the story of William Jackson starting that company in print is in one of those vanity local history books about this little town.

He was ERASED.


Half of the shit Gow was into was a cover for something else, some of it ADMITTEDLY.
Look up gow and the cia.

I REALLY don't think it had shit to do with the mob.

I think that gow or someone in their circle had my grandfather killed for something he KNEW...maybe something he threatened to come forward with.


edit: i've also been told by a couple of oldtimers around here that it would be in my best interests to stop digging.
This shit is REAL.

Again, that's why i believe in conspiracies...not all of them, not even most of them.
But weird shit happens, and some of it has hit VERY close to home for me.

[Space Suicide]

We have to visit a few times, probably rent. Lake Norman has nice boating so we could bring the boat down there. We know quite a few retired air traffic controllers who moved to the Charlotte area and like it (closer to Matthews, though), but the summers might KILL me, I'd need a pool, lol. And my allergies are worrying me, I've heard horror stories.

(Apologies to Texas folks since I'm going on about "North Caroliny")

I'm about 20 minutes from Lake Norman. It's a nice, ritzy area if you stay around or near Cornelius and Huntersville. The Summers are hit and miss lately. The past few years have been rainy but when it gets hot, it gets hot and it's that disgusting humid air type heat where you feel like you suffocate. The allergies are fine by me but if you have issues with pollen...you're going to be in hell. It cakes itself on cars and windows like mad. it makes my car a yellowish color in late Spring. It's awful haha.

[elevenism]

and holy shit...there WERE records of cattle trades my grandfather did on the internet. i was going to show them to you and mention that it's insane that such a business man didn't leave behind more records.

But now, those cattle trade records are gone too.

edit: my grandmother's obituary says that she and my grandfather were in "the farming and cattle business," but that's the ONLY mention of any of his business activities ANYWHERE.

Doesn't that strike you as odd for a man who's money is still supporting his children like 40 years after his death?

[allegro]

Dude, no offense, but people can't "erase" the records that people are hosting on private sites. Like, they aren't going to hit ETS and erase this conversation. (If you Google your grandfather's name, this conversation on ETS now appears.) That's not how the Internet works; even the FBI can't do that. I've had contacts with the FBI re shit online since the BBS days in the 80s.

If some records are gone, it's probably because Google can't find it (Google changed its search algorithm relatively recently) or the host site is down or revised. Just like how the old ETS is gone.

Also, obviously, being a "legend" in a town of under 2000 people ... dude, come on.

[allegro]

(Apologies to Texas folks since I'm going on about "North Caroliny")

I'm about 20 minutes from Lake Norman. It's a nice, ritzy area if you stay around or near Cornelius and Huntersville. The Summers are hit and miss lately. The past few years have been rainy but when it gets hot, it gets hot and it's that disgusting humid air type heat where you feel like you suffocate. The allergies are fine by me but if you have issues with pollen...you're going to be in hell. It cakes itself on cars and windows like mad. it makes my car a yellowish color in late Spring. It's awful haha.

Ugh. I have issues with pollen, but it depends on WHICH pollen. But it can't be as humid as FL, ugh. Yeah we would visit first and see. Is the food diverse? Whole Foods and not just crap? The Lake Norman area seems nice.

Thanks for the advice. It's hard for me to imagine leaving the Great Lakes, though.

[Space Suicide]

Ugh. I have issues with pollen, but it depends on WHICH pollen. But it can't be as humid as FL, ugh. Yeah we would visit first and see. Is the food diverse? Whole Foods and not just crap? The Lake Norman area seems nice.

It varies. Depends on what crops are in season really as far as rural areas. Then again we have tons of trees and flowers so take your pick.

Food is diverse for the most part. You're not completely subjected to grocery stores. Where I live there's a lot of farmer's markets

[allegro]

It varies. Depends on what crops are in season really as far as rural areas. Then again we have tons of trees and flowers so take your pick.

Food is diverse for the most part. You're not completely subjected to grocery stores. Where I live there's a lot of farmer's markets

That's cool. At least we wouldn't be forced to endure deep fried and bbq all the time LOL.

LIKE IN WISCONSIN, where you get a free angiogram on your 30th birthday. LIPITOR MARTINIS!!!

[Space Suicide]

That's cool. At least we wouldn't be forced to endure deep fried and bbq all the time LOL.

But why wouldn't you want to be?

[allegro]

But why wouldn't you want to be?

Ugh. Forget it. I don't want diabetes like Paula Deen. All's I want is really good sushi and Foodie food :-)

[elevenism]

@allegro , no offense taken.
but i look at his contemporaries and friends, and there is information about THEIR business ventures in those days.
This is something i've been researching for about 8 years.

Yes, it's tiny. However, there should be SOme trace, you know? don't you think it's strange that nowhere online is he even mentioned in association with SOT, but everyone HERE knows it was his company?
Don't you think it's odd that someone who was that wealthy, who was the president of the bank in the town where he lived, who had one of the first high capacity feed yards, who owned the ONLY restaurant in town,...that there is NO mention of him ANYWHERE?

No financial records, nothing. The ONLY place his ownership of Stratford of TExas is mentioned is in a book called God, Grass and Grit.

I think he was killed. I can FEEL it. And i think that various institutions were pressured into not posting any of those documents.

Gow has been accused of being a REALLY bad guy, time and time again, both by people around here who knew him and also quite publicly online. He's been implicated in everything from the bay of pigs to fucking 9/11!
Jackson was, by all accounts, a really GOOD guy. He set up scholarships and sent poor kids to college, with a stipulation that the kid didn't know who paid for it. He put new pews in the church, again, making sure it was kept secret.
Bush comes into the picture. Jackson dies mysteriously.
You can read articles all day long about Gow, but Jackson...not one word.
I just think there would be some trace.
And remember, all of the PHYSICAL documents linking Jackson to the company were stolen.
SOMETHING isn't right.

Now i'm going to shut up about it...i hijacked my own thread.


i KNOW there are more texans on ets than just me and @Kid Charlemagne

[allegro]

and holy shit...there WERE records of cattle trades my grandfather did on the internet. i was going to show them to you and mention that it's insane that such a business man didn't leave behind more records.

But now, those cattle trade records are gone too.

edit: my grandmother's obituary says that she and my grandfather were in "the farming and cattle business," but that's the ONLY mention of any of his business activities ANYWHERE.

Doesn't that strike you as odd for a man who's money is still supporting his children like 40 years after his death?

NO, that's not "odd" at all.

My maternal grandparents owned a machine rebuilding business pretty much my whole life. They owned a big factory building and employed a shit ton of people. Their primary customer was General Motors, the Tech Center facility in Warren, Michigan. They lived through the Depression, so they never believed in investing in stocks; instead, they invested in real estate; they bought properties for cash, they they sold them via Land Contract (they were the "bank" for people when interest rates were up near 18%). Also, they had whole life insurance policies, which nobody thought was a good idea but that's what people invested in when you survived the Depression. They had a summer home on Lake Huron my whole childhood. My mother went to a boarding school. My grandfather bought a new Cadillac for cash every 2 years. And they moved a lot, my grandma was something of a nomad. When they died, they didn't have a Trust; they had a Will and left my mom and her brother (my uncle) with a bunch of these properties in Land Contract (my mom and uncle received payments for years) plus a pretty fucking giant lump sum of cash, which my mom and uncle pissed through due to investments that tanked in the big crash in the 80s. Are my grandparents or their company on the Internet? No. The only mention of either of them is their obits. All that hard work, all those business contacts, my grandfather was laid out for THREE DAYS at the funeral home and that place was PACKED for all three days, he knew so many people and so many people loved him, and his funeral procession was literally miles long. But is his life measured by his Internet presence? No. And their money is gone because they didn't have it in a Trust. It's that simple. I was an Estate Planning Paralegal for years. A Trust is set up to MAKE money like an investment, and it's doled out in pieces. So, yeah, it can last a long time. It's likely that your grandfather worked FOR this Gow guy, but had his OWN established businesses SEPARATE from Gow, otherwise his assets would have been taken by the Bankruptcy Court. So the assets that remain in the Trust were his own assets from the businesses that he and your grandmother owned and operated on their own, separate from Gow; that's likely, anyway, otherwise the BK Court would have seized the assets. Trust me, you can hide from the mob, the CIA, whatever, but NOBODY hides anything from the Federal Bankruptcy Trustees. I've been a Subpoena'd Witness at a Bankruptcy Fraud trial; those people are brutal.

Anyway, in Estate Planning, we had Trust clients where the subject of the Trust (the person who died) died a LONG time ago, but the Trust is still living. That's the way it works. All those Hiltons? They're living off a Trust from a guy that died over a hundred years ago. That's the way it works. And, generally, good businesspeople keep their records private; if it ain't on the Internet, that's the way it's meant to be, unless it's a publicly-traded company, but even THEN, it shouldn't be info that you can just easily find via Google; THAT is bad business, not good.

[allegro]

@allegro , no offense taken.
but i look at his contemporaries and friends, and there is information about THEIR business ventures in those days.
This is something i've been researching for about 8 years.

Yes, it's tiny. However, there should be SOme trace, you know? don't you think it's strange that nowhere online is he even mentioned in association with SOT, but everyone HERE knows it was his company?
Don't you think it's odd that someone who was that wealthy, who was the president of the bank in the town where he lived, who had one of the first high capacity feed yards, who owned the ONLY restaurant in town,...that there is NO mention of him ANYWHERE?

NO, that's not weird at all, because who is going to mention him? It's a REALLY SMALL TOWN that doesn't EXIST outside of that town. So it wouldn't pick up any hits on the Internet / Google. The way stuff gets ONTO the Internet is somebody has to PUT it there, by a newspaper story, a press release, scanning a page from an old book, etc. Then, Google has to FIND it. This isn't some magic process. Also, "research" via Google isn't where you're gonna get real "research." The only real "research" you'd get is via a paid service like LexisNexis or Westlaw which of course you can't do. You are never going to get financial records via Google, ever. Sometimes "no" online info is good because it means there really isn't any dirt; believe me, if there was dirt, it would be on the Internet. Somebody would find it and post it. Because people LOVE dirt. But there isn't any. Even a coverup would be found and posted. No smoke, no flame. It probably means there's nothing. It means your grandfather was a normal boring everyday small town guy with money and he wasn't even implicated in anything so there's nothing.

[elevenism]

i hope you're right, @allegro .
but i'm fairly certain he was killed.

You are VERY good at debunking my conspiracy theories though

Well, i gotta go watch the Cowboys beat the lions!

[allegro]

See this:

http://www.livestockweekly.com/paper.../hindsight.asp

30 YEARS AGO

All the outstanding stock of Cactus Feeders Inc., has been acquired by Stratford of Texas Inc., which headquarters in Houston and owns Stratford Feedyard at Stratford as well as having purchased a 30,000-head feedlot now under construction at Dalhart.

See also this:

https://mycpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/se...ID=30000599552

My guess, because I'm paid to do research, LOL, is that Gow started and owned Stratford of Texas, Inc., but your Grandfather started and owned Stratford Feedyard and became business partners with Gow relating to that feedyard and the purchase of that new feedlot, which is how your Grandpa got to keep all his assets when Stratford of Texas, Inc. made all those shitty investments and went under, because your Grandfather parted company with Gow when the shit hit the fan.

Also, re your Grandfather's accident: You were in a terrible car crash, a very weird car crash. What if you'd died in that crash? Would people be whispering that it was a mob hit? That you were murdered? Sometimes tragic accidents just happen. Car crashes happen hundreds of times a day. I happen to know at least 5 people who were killed in car crashes.

Also, see this:
http://www.wikileaks.org/plusd/cable...E120097_b.html

Linking Republicans to Central America is hardly new or interesting. https://consortiumnews.com/2013/02/2...oted-genocide/

[allegro]

Well, i gotta go watch the Cowboys beat the lions!

LOL, they'd better not!!

[elevenism]

Jesus, @allegro .
You are fucking GREAT at research.
Cactus Feeders IS the feedlot.

And my grandfather made frequent trips to houston.

His name was William Neil Jackson, if you ever get bored...

As far as the car crash...i fell asleep at the wheel doing 90 on the highway and flipped it five times.
My grandfather drove what appears to be an impossible path on a short residential street with a 20 mph speed limit that ended at a perpendicular street...you know...like a T shape... and crashed into someone's porch, blowing up the car. Now THAT is a weird car crash.

Some say that he had a heart attack or stroke with his foot on the gas. But if he'd had a heart attack or stroke and dead footed it, he wouldn't have been able to drive the path to crash into the porch, because it would have taken steering (from what i can tell examining the site)

He burned to death in the car, btw.
There were no witnesses.

So to me, it had to have been a bizarre suicide. But as far as i know, he had no reason to commit suicide.

That's why i wonder about murder. To me, it's one or the other...suicide or murder.
And considering all the creepy allegations floating around about gow, i suspect the latter. Did you read any of the unsavory rumors about gow? here's a bit "In an update on our earlier report about Bush’s year in “tropical plants,” the man Bush was working for during the year he spent traveling Guatemala and Central America (see pt I), former Zapata Offshore President Robert Gow, was at the same time embroiled in a takeover attempt of the notorious United Fruit Company (on whose Board sat his father, Ralph Gow, a long-time Director), and that while Bush was there supposedly “looking over tropical plants,” the company was actively participating in a counter-insurgency program with the Guatemalan Government as part of the CIA’s Operation Condor."

It's the old people that say it was a mob hit. It gets brought up at every fucking funeral i attend. I've also heard "your grandad could have been president" three or four times. It's very cryptic.
But i don't suspect the mob. I suspect gow.

But again...JESUS! I can't believe you found those things! Thank you for looking into it!

also, @allegro btw, my grandfather died in 72, according to my mom, BEFORE SOT went under.
She also just told me that we lost about $1,000,000 in stock when it did go under. According to my great uncle, we took the biggest hit in SOT stock. My crazy grandmother, (who really was schizophrenic,) refused to sell the stock for "sentimental reasons" because it was her husbands.


my mother also told me that two other names involved in all of this are Doug Florence and JA Whittenburg the third, who was his MAIN business partner.