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    David Bowie - I'm Afraid of Americans 4K Rescan (EP also remastered)

    Last edited by Pyract; 10-26-2021 at 01:52 AM. Reason: Replaced file with Toadflax's

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    The quality of that rescan is nuts! Would love to see video's like Deep etc get a similar treatment.

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    That looks SO fresh! And yeah, would love to see some NIN videos get upgraded at some point. I'm surprised Closer hasn't happened yet given its status.

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    That download is under 200mb. The one from Facebook is 888mb. I'm happy to share it, but has anyone gotten anything bigger? We might be able to get a bigger source file when/if it goes to YouTube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadflax View Post
    That download is under 200mb. The one from Facebook is 888mb. I'm happy to share it, but has anyone gotten anything bigger? We might be able to get a bigger source file when/if it goes to YouTube.
    I'll see if I can get a better rip tonight. I did it in a rush right before leaving for work.

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    Here's my bigger file, which may actually be the source, as a little under a gig for a 5 minute 4K video isn't unreasonable. Let me know if the file goes down for any reason:

    https://www.mediafire.com/file/odn46...%2529.mp4/file

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadflax View Post
    Here's my bigger file, which may actually be the source, as a little under a gig for a 5 minute 4K video isn't unreasonable. Let me know if the file goes down for any reason:

    https://www.mediafire.com/file/odn46...%2529.mp4/file
    Thank you! I've replaced mine with yours.

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    thank you! 1 of my all time favorite videos.

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    This looks incredible! I'd love to see this done with NIN vids!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadflax View Post
    That download is under 200mb. The one from Facebook is 888mb. I'm happy to share it, but has anyone gotten anything bigger? We might be able to get a bigger source file when/if it goes to YouTube.
    Interesting. I used yt-dlp on the Facebook post and ended up with under 200mb 2160p file. What exact url did you use to grab the higher bitrate file?

    Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

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    This showed up in my Facebook feed yesterday and I HAD to watch it again. Still such a great video and looks better than ever now! The video I'd most like to see given a 4K facelift is The Perfect Drug (it's always been my favorite), but I hope as many NIN videos as possible can get re-released in high quality.

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    Woa, I don't remember the video being that good. It was great to watch it again. Such a cool video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kargath View Post
    Interesting. I used yt-dlp on the Facebook post and ended up with under 200mb 2160p file. What exact url did you use to grab the higher bitrate file?
    I use a program called 4K Downloader. Maybe it's just better at pulling the source correctly?

    The URL was just the standard for the video:

    https://www.facebook.com/davidbowie/...97420168282963

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadflax View Post
    I use a program called 4K Downloader. Maybe it's just better at pulling the source correctly?

    The URL was just the standard for the video:

    https://www.facebook.com/davidbowie/...97420168282963
    Same on 4K Downloader... It's legit and does not install crapware to your PC. They also have a mp3 downloader that will get just the audio from a video if you're looking for that.

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    I've been using 4k Downloader for a long time and think it's solid. Anyhow, I read on the sub that there's an alternate version of this clip & did a little digging.

    I received a reel from Virgin records back in the day (I think it now belongs to HeavenlyBearded) and there was no mention of the video being a censored or alternate version on the slate:

    has the alternate/uncensored version. I haven't done an A/B comparison, but one of the changes is the Woman sucking on fingers:

    In the 4k version, this shot is different:



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    Quote Originally Posted by FULLMETAL View Post
    has the alternate/uncensored version.
    Oh cool, I didn't know this existed!
    Download (via 4k Downloader, thanks for that): https://nindestruct.com/videos/David...ns%20(Alt).mp4

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    @FULLMETAL That's fascinating! I had always inferred what was going on in that moment, but I also always thought it was handled with a bit more ambiguity than all the other encounters. Nice to know so many years later that it was less ambiguous in the original/alternate cut.

    EDIT: Just watched them side by side, and that moment is indeed the only difference.
    Last edited by Toadflax; 10-27-2021 at 01:01 PM.

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    Sucking on a gloved finger: TOO HOT FOR MTV
    Strongly implying that every person in NYC is on the verge of doing several murders: ACCEPTABLE FAMILY ENTERTAINMENT

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    So, slightly tangentially, as far as file size: does a bigger file ALWAYS mean better video quality?

    I had assumed there were methods of compression.

    Edit: amen @botley . Shape of a nipple too visible through a woman's shirt? One nanometer of areola? PORN! NOT SUITABLE.
    But yeah, Weekly Murder Mystery? SURE! Law and Order: Child Molesters and Rapists SUV?
    Hell yes! It's one of the longest running shows of all time!
    It's weird, and it shows that we aren't quite as evolved as we like to think, imho.
    Last edited by elevenism; 10-27-2021 at 02:34 PM.

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    Just went up on YouTube. 4K Downloader gave me a 483mb file (vs the 888mb file from Facebook). I quickly A/B'd them and saw no difference. Happy to share it, though, if someone knows how to do advanced stuff to really see if one is better in any meaningful way.

    @elevenism Also take that as an answer to your question, which is that bigger is not always better. I'd guess the 180ish mb download from Facebook is inferior to the 888mb one, just based on how drastically different those file sizes are, but with 483mb vs. 888mb, there's definitely a possibility that the information is basically the same but with some minor compression settings being responsible for the difference in file size. My instinct is to just keep the biggest file since I don't know any better, but I'd love to hear from anyone who can actually dissect the guts of these files and see what's going on.

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    Sifted through the html the other day and found a direct link to an unrestricted bitrate file that matches the file size @Toadflax got from his downloaded program. I believe it's the highest quality available (910mb).

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    With the magic of 4K now I can now see that Bowie's first close up his nose needed a bit of a trim, next closeup about a minute in looks like someone helped him out. Jesus I wish my brain wasn't so broken.

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    WOAH!!!! Just watched it. Amazing! So much better than what I have previously watched. Thank you!

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    While sniffing around with yt-dlp, facebook login credentials, and scouring json manifests, I managed to find a bit higher quality audio stream (192kbps 48khz M4A AAC LC). The original 910 MiB .mp4 had some wonky ass 48kbps 24khz M4A HE-AAC LC with SBR audio shenanigans attached to it, so that had to go (the A/V also seemed slightly out-of-sync).

    I figured I'd share the remuxed .mp4 and .m4a just in case:

    https://mega.nz/folder/35hBGKKJ#cEmlLhqhQDNpk8HhsI7JnQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    While sniffing around with yt-dlp, facebook login credentials, and scouring json manifests, I managed to find a bit higher quality audio stream (192kbps 48khz M4A AAC LC). The original 910 MiB .mp4 had some wonky ass 48kbps 24khz M4A HE-AAC LC with SBR audio shenanigans attached to it, so that had to go (the A/V also seemed slightly out-of-sync).

    I figured I'd share the remuxed .mp4 and .m4a just in case:

    https://mega.nz/folder/35hBGKKJ#cEmlLhqhQDNpk8HhsI7JnQ
    Thanks for this, as usual you do great work! I compared this audio stream with the track from that 3xCD Bowie compilation Nothing Has Changed from 2014, and apart from some slight level-shifting and an earlier fade-out, it's exactly the same. I seem to remember the original (edited) video also had the street ambience at the beginning from the director's cut, which is missing, here. Guess we'll have to wait a couple more weeks for the 2021 remaster on Re:Call 5...
    Last edited by botley; 10-31-2021 at 06:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    Thanks for this, as usual you do great work! I compared this audio stream with the track from that 3xCD Bowie compilation Nothing Has Changed from 2014, and apart from some slight level-shifting and an earlier fade-out, it's exactly the same. I seem to remember the original (edited) video also had the street ambience at the beginning from the director's cut, which is missing, here. Guess we'll have to wait a couple more weeks for the 2021 remaster on Re:Call 5...
    Yes, the "edited full" version is about 9 seconds longer:

    2 seconds of black before title card
    5 seconds for title card
    2 seconds of fade-to-black transition between title card and opening street scene (w/ street ambience)


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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    So, slightly tangentially, as far as file size: does a bigger file ALWAYS mean better video quality?

    I had assumed there were methods of compression.
    Quote Originally Posted by Toadflax View Post
    @elevenism Also take that as an answer to your question, which is that bigger is not always better. I'd guess the 180ish mb download from Facebook is inferior to the 888mb one, just based on how drastically different those file sizes are, but with 483mb vs. 888mb, there's definitely a possibility that the information is basically the same but with some minor compression settings being responsible for the difference in file size. My instinct is to just keep the biggest file since I don't know any better, but I'd love to hear from anyone who can actually dissect the guts of these files and see what's going on.
    So yeah, bigger is sometimes better, but really, it depends. It can depend on the encoder used, it can depend on the codec used, it can depend on the original source quality.

    In this specific case, the difference in size is due to the codec used. The 888 MiB (910 MB) one from Facebook uses the standard H.264 which is widely compatible. The YouTube 4K video, on the other hand, uses the newer AV1 codec. AV1 tends to be about twice as efficient as H.264, meaning AV1 can provide the same visual quality as H.264 using half the bitrate. So, that's why, as you compare the two videos, they seem to be about the same visual quality.

    The downside of AV1 is that because it's so new, it doesn't have as much broad playback compatibility. macOS/iOS can't even play it natively (requires 3rd-party players). It also has higher CPU decoding demands, and may not have hardware decoding on your playback device, whereas almost every device has hardware decoding support for H.264.

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    I went ahead and did a cap of each codec to give people a general idea of how these compare while still. In motion, the AV01 codec looks the best (to me) across multiple devices with varying refresh rates. I could have put these screens up on Cap-o-holics or any number or screencap comparison sites, but I didn't want to deal with extra compression since I already saved in .tiff and captured these at 1080p (as opposed to 2160p). The scene used for comparison is @ 3:56.000:

    AV1 @ 12617k
    AVC @ 27218k
    VP9 @ 17007k

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBang View Post
    So yeah, bigger is sometimes better, but really, it depends. It can depend on the encoder used, it can depend on the codec used, it can depend on the original source quality.

    In this specific case, the difference in size is due to the codec used. The 888 MiB (910 MB) one from Facebook uses the standard H.264 which is widely compatible. The YouTube 4K video, on the other hand, uses the newer AV1 codec. AV1 tends to be about twice as efficient as H.264, meaning AV1 can provide the same visual quality as H.264 using half the bitrate. So, that's why, as you compare the two videos, they seem to be about the same visual quality.

    The downside of AV1 is that because it's so new, it doesn't have as much broad playback compatibility. macOS/iOS can't even play it natively (requires 3rd-party players). It also has higher CPU decoding demands, and may not have hardware decoding on your playback device, whereas almost every device has hardware decoding support for H.264.
    Ok so can you compress filllow's new multi cam edit, because its like fucking 17GB, and I swear to god I won't forget to get your ticket for the next Red Rocks show? :/

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    All of NIN's remixes for Bowie's I'm Afraid of Americans EP have finally landed in lossless quality streaming sites! Designated with "2022 remaster": https://tidal.com/album/214341821

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