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    The “dead internet” theory to me feels like a spooky romanticized take on how quickly things change in that space. When people are freaked out by things that they don’t understand they cling to supernatural or conspiratorial explanations

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    The “dead internet” theory to me feels like a spooky romanticized take on how quickly things change in that space. When people are freaked out by things that they don’t understand they cling to supernatural or conspiratorial explanations
    Oh it's DEFINITELY not REAL.

    It's just that it actually does a good job of pointing out some of the overarching changes that may not be noticeable without taking a step back, because they've happened incrementally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    @marodi I swear to god the voice thing has happened with my wife and I around these Alexa tablets. It also makes me think of how hard intelligence agencies and police used to have to work to bug people's houses. But now, everyone has a listening device in their home. I don't think it's a stretch to assume that this could happen, after Snowden exposed Prism, and "collect it all" and the complicity of cell phone companies.

    Also, my mom's new tv, in the manual, it literally tells you not to have sensitive conversations near the tv. It says something like "your sensitive and personal.conversations may be part of the data sent to a third party to better our voice recognition system," no shit.

    Here's this video I watched re: Dead Internet Theory. This presenter kind of sucks and I'm sure there's a better video, but this, and the Atlantic article explained it better than I did.
    The video is interesting, but it mixes a lot of facts with a lot of speculation and misunderstandings on how technology works.

    I do agree that the "original internet" was mostly a "different experience", but obviously since 99' (when i first started to use it...) technology, algorithms, sites and users have changed a lot.
    Obviously the today's Internet is a more "controlled-environment" than it used to be, but this is because the very same boom of technology and companies and governments embracing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by henryeatscereal View Post
    The video is interesting, but it mixes a lot of facts with a lot of speculation and misunderstandings on how technology works.

    I do agree that the "original internet" was mostly a "different experience", but obviously since 99' (when i first started to use it...) technology, algorithms, sites and users have changed a lot.
    Obviously the today's Internet is a more "controlled-environment" than it used to be, but this is because the very same boom of technology and companies and governments embracing it.
    Exactly. Did you read the Atlantic article I posted a page back?

    It mirrors my thoughts on the subject.

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    Damn, y'all.

    I post this thing and literally say "now, I certainly don't think this is REAL," but state that there are kernels of truth used in the creation of the hypothesis, like incremental corporatization and such.

    And you guys are trying to debunk me or whatever.

    I NEVER said I thought this was REAL, but, yeah, Eleven is crazy
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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    Damn, y'all.

    I post this thing and literally say "now, I certainly don't think this is REAL," but state that there are kernels of truth used in the creation of the hypothesis, like incremental corporatization and such.

    And you guys are trying to debunk me or whatever.

    I NEVER said I thought this was REAL, but, yeah, Eleven is crazy
    lol, never said you're crazy bro, just my two cents about the video.

    Actually it has some good points, sadly, it tries too hard to go into the "tinfoil" arguments...

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    So I've been going down this weird rabbit hole: NATO and the CIA left behind covert forces trained in partisan fuckery in Western Europe after WWII: this much is apparently fact.

    But there are accusations that these NATO forces either supported, ignored warnings regarding, or outright COMMITTED, small scale terror attacks during the Cold War, which were then blamed on this party or that one, to tip the scales of power.

    Here's a bit about Italy via The Guardian; this was a faction of the Italian government making this accusation back in 2000. Of course the opposition party says it's balderdash, but it's interesting all the same.
    This IS the CIA we're talking about: the people with the actual double agents and shit, and the imperialist USA playing global chess with the USSR.
    And this is just the tip of the iceberg on this one.

    Here is some more info from Grunge that links to the Guardian article. Not exactly Reuters, I know. But they had me at Secret Armies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    used for the purposes of mass data collection, controlling narratives, keeping people engaged by showing them incendiary content, and making money.
    I'm in the middle of reading through this pdf made for NATO by one of their think tanks, here is a small sample:
    Today’s progresses in nanotechnology, biotechnology, information technology and cognitive science (NBIC), boosted by the seemingly unstoppable march of a triumphant troika made of Artificial Intelligence, Big Data and civilisational ‘digital addiction’ have created a much more ominous prospect: an embedded fifth column, where everyone, unbeknownst to him or her, is behaving according to the plans of one of our competitors…The modern concept of war is not about weapons but about influence. Victory in the long run will remain solely dependent on the ability to influence, affect, change or impact the cognitive domain…Cognitive warfare may well be the missing element that allows the transition from military victory on the battlefield to lasting political success. The human domain might well be the decisive domain, wherein multi-domain operations achieve the commander’s effect.
    The Facebook page for this think tank group is fucking weird, trying to recruit people with puzzles or something. Here's the think tank page where you can download the pdf yourself:
    https://www.innovationhub-act.org/content/cw-documents

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    That's fucking fascinating. @Wolfkiller

    They're talking about like, asymmetrical warfare through social media influence, to a degree, right? They're speaking of a war for people's minds.

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    READ\LISTEN TO MICHAEL PARENTI

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    Like minded enthusiasts should check out the documentary series While The Rest Of Us Die. Deeply fascinating. It is on season 2. Last night's episode was about the US Food industry corruption and poor health due to it. Last week just went into depth about what we already know - how corporate and wealthy elite line pockets and the common US citizen is in debt and poverty out the ass from said corruption.

    Here is a season 1 episode from last year


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    I mean, is it a conspiracy theory that corporate overlord gatekeepers are trying to ruin everything that brings joy when you see shit like this consistently?


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    my wife was telling me all about her searches for a place she wants to go. as she's talking, I'm looking at the google headlines and one of the ads on the headlines was "15 great places to visit in ____".

    I know that they also pull data from phones near you for advertising - they figure if you're around that person a lot you must really like them and have similar interests - but damn was that freaky fast.

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