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    I would also like to know what Nancy Pelosi has done or said that makes her "a retard," but I'm not going to hold my breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    I would also like to know what Nancy Pelosi has done or said that makes her "a retard," but I'm not going to hold my breath.
    DV's favorite game is PUBG, so, i think that tells you everything you need to know about where that conversation will end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HWB View Post
    Moon is made out of cheese...
    I mean, that's just science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demogorgon View Post
    DV's favorite game is PUBG
    At some point I really need to try this game... just so I know what I'm (not?) missing out on.

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    Meanwhile, full-blown conspiracy happening right in front of our eyes. Watching C-SPAN's stream of the impeachment testimony this morning, and...one shot, the camera op in the back is a tall, heavyset gentleman. Next shot? A SHORT WOMAN.

    These "live" hearings are just a poorly edited movie the Democrat Propaganda Machine made with help from Fake News CNN. And ALL the Fake News Media are carrying it. SAD! Witch Hunt!1

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    This works out pretty good, actually. Since we know he's not listening, we don't have to engage him, and the more he uses hate speech like "retard", the closer he gets to a ban. I call that a win.

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    more on track:


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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    There's a good reason for that: most of them are complete nonsense and are easily debunked.

    It's funny to me how many "freethinkers" listen to the same people over and over again and never think to question what underlying motives those people may have for peddling conspiracy theories. Like I said before in this thread, the difference between conspiracy theorists and religious fanatics is razor thin. People will fall in line with whoever promises them "truth" because it doesn't actually require them to think.
    In all seriousness, is this also why it shouldn't be a surprise that there's a connection between conspiracy theorists and believers in paranormal activity as well as paranormal investigators themselves?

    As I've mentioned several times before, I used to actually have absolutely no idea that conspiracy theories and the paranormal/occult actually go hand in hand a lot more than I've realized. And for very obvious reasons at this point, I'm sure it's safe to assume that the paranormal and the occult in general would also fall under same categories that religious fanatics to you.

    And just about every single conspiracy theorist I've encountered in real life also tend to believe in ghosts and aliens. And just knowing more about this has also helped me realized why atheists also tend to reject conspiracy theories. Come to think of it, every conspiracy theorist I've met in real life also either challenges atheists or completely disagrees with atheism as well. It's one thing to see it on YouTube, social media and forums though, but it just happened to be that way every time I encountered conspiracy theorists. As somebody that lives in New York City, there's also lot of Truthers around me, and have also told me that 9/11 was an inside job, just to single out one example from many.
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    To be honest, I blame The X-Files for turning a lot of people into conspiracy theorists.

    I'm only half joking though. I feel like the popularity of shows like that and films like JFK and the 9/11 Loose Change "documentary" convinced quite a few people that they were really good at looking past bullshit, when in reality they tend to be more gullible and fall for things easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    To be honest, I blame The X-Files for turning a lot of people into conspiracy theorists.

    I'm only half joking though. I feel like the popularity of shows like that and films like JFK and the 9/11 Loose Change "documentary" convinced quite a few people that they were really good at looking past bullshit, when in reality they tend to be more gullible and fall for things easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    To be honest, I blame The X-Files for turning a lot of people into conspiracy theorists.

    I'm only half joking though. I feel like the popularity of shows like that and films like JFK and the 9/11 Loose Change "documentary" convinced quite a few people that they were really good at looking past bullshit, when in reality they tend to be more gullible and fall for things easily.
    One of my favorite moments in my life was realizing, through reading a number of great books on the subject, how inaccurate and dishonest Oliver Stones' film JFK was. It's incredibly entertaining, but false at almost every turn. It was fun reading great counterarguments and helped me to become (I hope) a more critical thinker.

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    A lot of conspiracy theories in fact do have weight and are indeed legitimate. It's just that every crazy asshole who latches onto them and makes them sensationalist talking points and reasons for everything that have made the topic moot and taboo in 2019. YouTube and Podcasts have ran them into the ground.

    QAnon is the stupidest thing of recent times to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Suicide View Post
    A lot of conspiracy theories in fact do have weight and are indeed legitimate.
    Such as? (I'm not arguing; I'm interested in knowing which theories you feel are actually valid so I can geek out and read up on them.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwb View Post
    ...anime girls are real.
    i wish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    Such as? (I'm not arguing; I'm interested in knowing which theories you feel are actually valid so I can geek out and read up on them.)
    the problem with conspiracy theories is that a few were proven as true (MK Ultra for one) and that is the "I KNEW IT" moment for a lot of people where they jump to "JFK was murdered by the lizard people!"

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    I lost a friend over this “ISIS runs through government and sandy hook was a false flag” bullshit narrative he was eating. Too bad really, but fuck that Sandy Hook shit, dude you’ve gone too far.

    i think it’s interesting that data related to fracking has been muddied by Russian disinformation campaigns, but that’s not a “believable” conspiracy theory I guess..

    it’s crazy how much RT propaganda was in my friend’s feed before he blocked me, that Lee Camp guy was just the start
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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    Such as? (I'm not arguing; I'm interested in knowing which theories you feel are actually valid so I can geek out and read up on them.)
    Ones throughout the years I've seen enough to consider "true" or "can't be written off" entirely. Not up for debates saying I'm a crackpot or what not. I'm not married to ideas or theories definitively so if proven wrong I will change my opinions to match what is given. In no order I'll list a few,

    JFK Assassination (False "Official" Narrative)
    9/11 - North and South Towers (False "Official" Narrative but was allowed by government due to incompetence in intelligence)
    9/11 - Tower 7 and Pentagon (Questionable Research Information)
    Philadelphia Experiment (Rarely officially mentioned but warrants looking into without writing it off entirely)
    Finders/Franklin Cover up (Legit pedophile human trafficking)
    Montauk Project (Not widely known)
    Moon Landing (Not calling this outright fake but losing technology and information vital to making moon landing possible again? Yeah right.)
    Las Vegas Shooting (It did indeed happen but no legitimate motive besides "he's crazy!!!"? Mysterious Helicopters theory is interesting enough if you read up on it. Not saying that is true.)

    I'm a spiritual skeptic. I question what government and media wants you to believe always. Things like fake school shootings/crisis actors, QAnon, child pedophile rings rampant in US government, Illuminati in media and entertainment, Luciferians, Black Cube of Saturn Worshippers, Anunnaki, Reptilians and things all similar I largely deem complete bullshit and tend to stand by that narrative 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Suicide View Post
    Las Vegas Shooting (It did indeed happen but no legitimate motive besides "he's crazy!!!"?)
    Charles Whitman shot and killed fourteen people in 1966 because he was crazy. (Or rather, because he had a brain tumor that was making him crazy.) Not everyone who commits these acts have motives and manifestos. Some people just want to see what happens when you kill a bunch of people, and sometimes those people don't even know why they're doing what they do.

    That's the problem with a lot of conspiracy theories. They're created when people's assumptions about the natural order of things don't line up with the reality of what happened. "A guy couldn't just shoot a bunch of people for no reason! There must be something more to this!". Movies and TV shows have conditioned us to look for the twist ending, when in fact reality is much more nonsensical and unstructured than people would like to believe. The need to bring order to chaos is why conspiracy theories run rampant, because a lot of people just can't face reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    Charles Whitman shot and killed fourteen people in 1966 because he was crazy. (Or rather, because he had a brain tumor that was making him crazy.) Not everyone who commits these acts have motives and manifestos. Some people just want to see what happens when you kill a bunch of people, and sometimes those people don't even know why they're doing what they do.

    That's the problem with a lot of conspiracy theories. They're created when people's assumptions about the natural order of things don't line up with the reality of what happened. "A guy couldn't just shoot a bunch of people for no reason! There must be something more to this!". Movies and TV shows have conditioned us to look for the twist ending, when in fact reality is much more nonsensical and unstructured than people would like to believe. The need to bring order to chaos is why conspiracy theories run rampant, because a lot of people just can't face reality.
    Very true, sometimes the right answer is staring us in the face, but that's just not interesting enough.

    Also 1 in every 5 of us are just a bunch of cats in a trench coat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haysey View Post
    Also 1 in every 5 of us are just a bunch of cats in a trench coat!
    This has already been debunked. 20% of the population walking around knocking shit off counter tops would be pretty noticeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    This has already been debunked. 20% of the population walking around knocking shit off counter tops would be pretty noticeable.
    ...a bunch of cats in a trench coat WOULD say that, I'M ON TO YOU!

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    Probably knocked something off the desk when typing that.
    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    Charles Whitman shot and killed fourteen people in 1966 because he was crazy. (Or rather, because he had a brain tumor that was making him crazy.) Not everyone who commits these acts have motives and manifestos. Some people just want to see what happens when you kill a bunch of people, and sometimes those people don't even know why they're doing what they do.

    That's the problem with a lot of conspiracy theories. They're created when people's assumptions about the natural order of things don't line up with the reality of what happened. "A guy couldn't just shoot a bunch of people for no reason! There must be something more to this!". Movies and TV shows have conditioned us to look for the twist ending, when in fact reality is much more nonsensical and unstructured than people would like to believe. The need to bring order to chaos is why conspiracy theories run rampant, because a lot of people just can't face reality.
    That's a very good point. I was just reading about the Milk/Moscone killing where White blamed depression and then it turns out that (allegedly) he premeditated the whole thing.
    In 1998, Frank Falzon, the homicide inspector with the San Francisco police to whom White had surrendered after the killings, said that he met with White in 1984, and that at this meeting White had confessed that he had intended to kill not only Moscone and Milk, but another supervisor, Carol Ruth Silver, as well as then-member of the California State Assembly and future San Francisco Mayor, Willie Brown. Falzon quoted White as having said, "I was on a mission. I wanted four of them. Carol Ruth Silver, she was the biggest snake ... and Willie Brown, he was masterminding the whole thing." Falzon indicated that he believed White, stating, "I felt like I had been hit by a sledge-hammer ... I found out it was a premeditated murder."[14]

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    Charles Whitman shot and killed fourteen people in 1966 because he was crazy. (Or rather, because he had a brain tumor that was making him crazy.) Not everyone who commits these acts have motives and manifestos. Some people just want to see what happens when you kill a bunch of people, and sometimes those people don't even know why they're doing what they do.

    That's the problem with a lot of conspiracy theories. They're created when people's assumptions about the natural order of things don't line up with the reality of what happened. "A guy couldn't just shoot a bunch of people for no reason! There must be something more to this!". Movies and TV shows have conditioned us to look for the twist ending, when in fact reality is much more nonsensical and unstructured than people would like to believe. The need to bring order to chaos is why conspiracy theories run rampant, because a lot of people just can't face reality.
    I know people are insane and do stuff unscripted but there has to be some motivating factor for committing such an act besides "I woke up this morning, let's arrange my gun cargo and travel to Vegas and kill some people." People unravel sometimes at the drop of a hat but he seemed to have had a decently normal life prior.

    What I'm getting at is they pretty much dropped all investigation and have since ignored the ordeal as if it never happened. That's the conspiracy part. They wrote it off as suicide/crazy man shoot people and filed it away 2 days later. Assumptions and things happen after for why did it happen?

    As for what you said about people not wanting to face reality I agree. Doesn't events or things just happen? Why does EVERYTHING need to be part of some grand scheme or plan from point A to B to C. I think contrarian views or extreme conspiracy theorists who refute everything have some sort of mental illness trust issues.

    What I understand about what creates conspiracy theories is that holes in narratives or stuff government/authorities don't wish to discuss and redact make people think up chunks of narrative to fit into the missing pieces (whether they exist or not). If the government just spoke up every once in a while and admit their failures in events sometimes maybe we'd have less crackpot theories running amok:

    CIA: We had information regarding renegade Al Qaeda terrorist cell members in the US prior to 9/11.
    FBI: We had information regarding renegade Al Qaeda terrorist cell members in the US prior to 9/11.
    CIA and FBI: We didn't share it with each other. This went under our radar.

    US Conspiracy Theorists: You losers failed us! You knew and fucked up!

    -

    CIA: .....
    FBI: .....
    CIA and FBI: ..... Maybe we should've shared information but eh, we didn't.

    US Conspiracy Theorists: Why did this happen? There's no motive for a war other being false flagged...maybe the US Government made this attack possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Suicide View Post
    People unravel sometimes at the drop of a hat but he seemed to have had a decently normal life prior.
    Yeah, but that's from an outsider's perspective. It's easy to look at someone's life and say "they were so normal" with just a smattering of information at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    Yeah, but that's from an outsider's perspective. It's easy to look at someone's life and say "they were so normal" with just a smattering of information at hand.
    Maybe normal wasn't the right word: functioning is more of what I was looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haysey View Post
    ...a bunch of cats in a trench coat WOULD say that, I'M ON TO YOU!
    I have no idea what you're talking abmeowt.

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