Conspiracy Theories

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Charles Whitman shot and killed fourteen people in 1966 because he was crazy. (Or rather, because he had a brain tumor that was making him crazy.) Not everyone who commits these acts have motives and manifestos. Some people just want to see what happens when you kill a bunch of people, and sometimes those people don't even know why they're doing what they do.

That's the problem with a lot of conspiracy theories. They're created when people's assumptions about the natural order of things don't line up with the reality of what happened. "A guy couldn't just shoot a bunch of people for no reason! There must be something more to this!". Movies and TV shows have conditioned us to look for the twist ending, when in fact reality is much more nonsensical and unstructured than people would like to believe. The need to bring order to chaos is why conspiracy theories run rampant, because a lot of people just can't face reality.

I know people are insane and do stuff unscripted but there has to be some motivating factor for committing such an act besides "I woke up this morning, let's arrange my gun cargo and travel to Vegas and kill some people." People unravel sometimes at the drop of a hat but he seemed to have had a decently normal life prior.

What I'm getting at is they pretty much dropped all investigation and have since ignored the ordeal as if it never happened. That's the conspiracy part. They wrote it off as suicide/crazy man shoot people and filed it away 2 days later. Assumptions and things happen after for why did it happen?

As for what you said about people not wanting to face reality I agree. Doesn't events or things just happen? Why does EVERYTHING need to be part of some grand scheme or plan from point A to B to C. I think contrarian views or extreme conspiracy theorists who refute everything have some sort of mental illness trust issues.

What I understand about what creates conspiracy theories is that holes in narratives or stuff government/authorities don't wish to discuss and redact make people think up chunks of narrative to fit into the missing pieces (whether they exist or not). If the government just spoke up every once in a while and admit their failures in events sometimes maybe we'd have less crackpot theories running amok:

CIA: We had information regarding renegade Al Qaeda terrorist cell members in the US prior to 9/11.
FBI: We had information regarding renegade Al Qaeda terrorist cell members in the US prior to 9/11.
CIA and FBI: We didn't share it with each other. This went under our radar.

US Conspiracy Theorists: You losers failed us! You knew and fucked up!

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CIA: .....
FBI: .....
CIA and FBI: ..... Maybe we should've shared information but eh, we didn't.

US Conspiracy Theorists: Why did this happen? There's no motive for a war other being false flagged...maybe the US Government made this attack possible.

[Jinsai]

I lost a friend over this “ISIS runs through government and sandy hook was a false flag” bullshit narrative he was eating. Too bad really, but fuck that Sandy Hook shit, dude you’ve gone too far.

i think it’s interesting that data related to fracking has been muddied by Russian disinformation campaigns, but that’s not a “believable” conspiracy theory I guess..

it’s crazy how much RT propaganda was in my friend’s feed before he blocked me, that Lee Camp guy was just the start

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Probably knocked something off the desk when typing that.

Charles Whitman shot and killed fourteen people in 1966 because he was crazy. (Or rather, because he had a brain tumor that was making him crazy.) Not everyone who commits these acts have motives and manifestos. Some people just want to see what happens when you kill a bunch of people, and sometimes those people don't even know why they're doing what they do.

That's the problem with a lot of conspiracy theories. They're created when people's assumptions about the natural order of things don't line up with the reality of what happened. "A guy couldn't just shoot a bunch of people for no reason! There must be something more to this!". Movies and TV shows have conditioned us to look for the twist ending, when in fact reality is much more nonsensical and unstructured than people would like to believe. The need to bring order to chaos is why conspiracy theories run rampant, because a lot of people just can't face reality.

That's a very good point. I was just reading about the Milk/Moscone killing where White blamed depression and then it turns out that (allegedly) he premeditated the whole thing.

In 1998, Frank Falzon, the homicide inspector with the San Francisco police to whom White had surrendered after the killings, said that he met with White in 1984, and that at this meeting White had confessed that he had intended to kill not only Moscone and Milk, but another supervisor, Carol Ruth Silver, as well as then-member of the California State Assembly and future San Francisco Mayor, Willie Brown. Falzon quoted White as having said, "I was on a mission. I wanted four of them. Carol Ruth Silver, she was the biggest snake ... and Willie Brown, he was masterminding the whole thing." Falzon indicated that he believed White, stating, "I felt like I had been hit by a sledge-hammer ... I found out it was a premeditated murder."^[14]

[elevenism]

Hey, so...

Things conspiracy theorists have been discussing for years keep making their way to the mainstream, as of late.



And now, here's this particular horrific slice of near future dystopian horror:

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[ickyvicky]

I don't trust anything coming out of that motherfucker's mouth

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I'm thinking this is about to be in the Sexual Asshatery thread?

[elevenism]

Speaking of sex trafficking and asshattery

SO: I went down this rabbit hole starting with Brian Singer, when the
wife and I were binge watching House.

And I came across this bit of hearsay: Bret Easton Ellis alleged that two of his former partners attended "underage sex parties" hosted by Bryan Singer and Roland Emmerich. I didn't know Emmerich, but he directed a bunch of summer blockbusters I got a kick out of.

There have been rumblings about such parties, in the conspiracy world, for as long as I've been interested, at least. Except, in the conspiracy theory version, there's usually some luciferian aspect, or the parties are hosted by the Rothschilds or some shit.

I'm wondering, though, if the gatherings that Ellis mentioned are the truth of the matter, that has been hyperbolized.

And, I wonder how common such things are.

[Space Suicide]

And, I wonder how common such things are.

Can't speak about what you posted but this question I can easily say they are more common than you think when wealth and desire mix. Money talks, bullshit walks.

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Piggybacking off my last statement with a bold sentence:

Mainstream conspiracy theory thinking of 2016-now has effectively and actively largely killed my interest in conspiracy theories as a hobby. Real shame too because they can be fun alternative ways of thinking.

[Jinsai]

Piggybacking off my last statement with a bold sentence:

Mainstream conspiracy theory thinking of 2016-now has effectively and actively largely killed my interest in conspiracy theories as a hobby. Real shame too because they can be fun alternative ways of thinking.

It's when people stop treating them like fun alternate reality games and taking them seriously that they get really serious and dangerous. I have lost friends over this sort of thing, and it's a crazy slippery slope and a really thin line between "fun" and "I'm in a cult."

I actually think this whole Qanon thing was created as a prank by someone "having fun." Also, I think the whole "Q" thing sprouted up because the very fact that Trump could be elected president already disproved about 99% of modern conspiracy theories, and so his supporters (conspiratorially inclined) needed a new theory where he is Captain America or something.

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It's when people stop treating them like fun alternate reality games and taking them seriously that they get really serious and dangerous. I have lost friends over this sort of thing, and it's a crazy slippery slope and a really thin line between "fun" and "I'm in a cult."

I actually think this whole Qanon thing was created as a prank by someone "having fun." Also, I think the whole "Q" thing sprouted up because the very fact that Trump could be elected president already disproved about 99% of modern conspiracy theories, and so his supporters (conspiratorially inclined) needed a new theory where he is Captain America or something.

I fucking hate the QAnon conspiracy. I can't believe people have put weight into it to actually believe it. It originated on 4chan lmao.

[Jinsai]

I fucking hate the QAnon conspiracy. I can't believe people have put weight into it to actually believe it. It originated on 4chan lmao.

Qanon is what happens when you rip the carpet out from underneath the larger conspiracy theorist community. Trump becoming president was insane, impossible. All the conspiracy theorists were originally claiming he was a distraction during the election.

Then he got elected, and suddenly, religious conservative conspiracy theorists started gloming on to this 4Chan poster claiming Trump is ... well, whatever kinda "hero" fighting the "deep state" and whatever... it's weird to watch conspiracy theorists grasp at straws as their elaborate crazy world view collapses in the wake of the lunacy they collectively endorsed... if they hadn't set up this "anything is possible! -> Building 7! -> 911 is an inside job! -> Obama wasn't born in America!-> The taliban is actually American soldiers and PMC in disguise -> Trump is on OUR SIDE! He's fighting the news to get us the truth!!!!!!!!

FUCK this...

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Qanon is what happens when you rip the carpet out from underneath the larger conspiracy theorist community. Trump becoming president was insane, impossible. All the conspiracy theorists were originally claiming he was a distraction during the election.

Then he got elected, and suddenly, religious conservative conspiracy theorists started gloming on to this 4Chan poster claiming Trump is ... well, whatever kinda "hero" fighting the "deep state" and whatever... it's weird to watch conspiracy theorists grasp at straws as their elaborate crazy world view collapses in the wake of the lunacy they collectively endorsed... if they hadn't set up this "anything is possible! -> Building 7! -> 911 is an inside job! -> Obama wasn't born in America!-> The taliban is actually American soldiers and PMC in disguise -> Trump is on OUR SIDE! He's fighting the news to get us the truth!!!!!!!!

FUCK this...

My favorite thing about the Trump election was he was buddies with Alex Jones. Jones always talked shit about the government (mostly rightly so) with false information and opinions. He bad mouthed Obama and most major politicians from the 2005-2015. Then magically he had to change his opinion about US Government because he was now "friends" with the president.

[elevenism]

Piggybacking off my last statement with a bold sentence:

Mainstream conspiracy theory thinking of 2016-now has effectively and actively largely killed my interest in conspiracy theories as a hobby. Real shame too because they can be fun alternative ways of thinking.

DUDE. Amen.
Having been in and around the conspiracy community since like, 2007, I am utterly baffled that the fucking MAJORITY of "truthers" are now full throated trump supporters.

DONALD FUCKING TRUMP is the hero of the anti 1%, anti gvmt, anti illuminati cause?

What in the actual fuck?

Alex Jones supporting trump REALLY opened my eyes to this shit. Say what you will about him, but he hated Clinton. I got INTO conspiracy theory because of his anti Bush rhetoric and exposure of Bohemian Grove. And, he hated Obama. He hated ALL politicians. It was US and THEM.

And, suddenly, it's left vs right, and 95% of the truthers are on the right.

Meanwhile, the Trump Administration is committing all sorts of actual, real live, documented conspiracy type shit every fucking WEEK.

It's mad disheartening.

[henryeatscereal]

DUDE. Amen.
Having been in and around the conspiracy community since like, 2007, I am utterly baffled that the fucking MAJORITY of "truthers" are now full throated trump supporters.

DONALD FUCKING TRUMP is the hero of the anti 1%, anti gvmt, anti illuminati cause?

What in the actual fuck?

Alex Jones supporting trump REALLY opened my eyes to this shit. Say what you will about him, but he hated Clinton. I got INTO conspiracy theory because of his anti Bush rhetoric and exposure of Bohemian Grove. And, he hated Obama. He hated ALL politicians. It was US and THEM.

And, suddenly, it's left vs right, and 95% of the truthers are on the right.

Meanwhile, the Trump Administration is committing all sorts of actual, real live, documented conspiracy type shit every fucking WEEK.

It's mad disheartening.

And here in Mexico is similar, people are mixing the Theories with the whole COVID thing, to the point it's also mixing with the politics.
The whole thing is a mess, just like the "Pro-Trump Truthers" they are ignorant people thinking they have the "truth" because they watched a couple of Youtube videos.

[allegro]

And here in Mexico is similar, people are mixing the Theories with the whole COVID thing, to the point it's also mixing with the politics.
The whole thing is a mess, just like the "Pro-Trump Truthers" they are ignorant people thinking they have the "truth" because they watched a couple of Youtube videos.

Right, I posted this in the Trump thread, it's for total idiots who seem to love going into rabbit holes that make zero logical sense, yet they feel like they've stumbled into something "special" and "their eyes have been opened."

https://time.com/5887437/conspiracy-...2020-election/

SEE ALSO.


I really do miss the days when "online" was reserved mostly for people who knew how to use UNIX commands, and editors like vi or Emacs, or at least just used a bus like AOL, and it wasn't totally filled with such horseshit. Making it more difficult really did filter out this preponderance of total shit.

[Space Suicide]

I read a great article this past week.

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[MrLobster]

[M1ke]

This episode on the history of QAnon is pretty interesting:

https://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-...untry-of-liars

[allegate]

A majority of these are 100% unknown to me so I feel like I have a pretty good handle on how deep down the conspiracy theory hole I go.

[cdm]

A majority of these are 100% unknown to me so I feel like I have a pretty good handle on how deep down the conspiracy theory hole I go.

My SO hadn't heard much about Qanon and I started telling her about all the batshit crazy things they "believe". She sorta jokingly said I was starting to worry her. But IMO you gotta know the broad strokes of it in case a friend or relative tries to pitch some of the more innocuous talking points trying to lure you in. Save the Children, on it's face, seems like a reasoned cause....until it doesn't.

TL;DR: I hate people.

[eversonpoe]

wtf is the mattress firm conspiracy???

also, the free britney thing is 100% real, and is about her dad having conservatorship over her and her music (which essentially means she doesn't have access to her money, which is bullshit). that's not a conspiracy theory so i really don't understand why it's on there.

Britney Spears is seeking to make changes to her conservatorship, which has been in place since 2008. The 38-year-old singer is asking that her father, Jamie Spears, be removed as her conservator, according to court documents obtained by Entertainment Tonight.

^ that's from a report on august 19th

[cdm]

wtf is the mattress firm conspiracy???

Something about it being a criminal enterprise based on the vast number of stores that always seem empty.

[marodi]

Finland doesn't exist? What the hell is that? I must check out that one.

Also: if you want to get an instant raise out of me, tell me that aliens built "insert ancient structures name here". It's an insult to ancient civilizations ingenuity and to mankind in general.

[allegate]

https://www.businessinsider.com/brou...irm-conspiracy

awesome read (so far) about it.

[henryeatscereal]

The George Soros thing is gaining a lot of popularity lately... specially in my country where they are implying the president is allied with him

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[eversonpoe]

@allegate i see nothing in your post. CONSPIRACY!