3rd Iraq War?

[elevenism]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27897648

I sure hope not.
Why America has to stick its dick in the affairs of a country that poses ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING THREAT TO US WHATSOEVER is beyond me...actually i wish it was beyond me.

But if there's fucking oil on fire, you can bet we're coming to "liberate" some motherfuckers.

Team America, fuck yeah!

I swear to god if i EVER get enough money together to move to canada, i'm OUT OF HERE.

[Ryan]

no.
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[somethingelse]

I'm sure if you ask many Iraqis they'll tell you the war never ended.

[Fixer808]

I swear to god if i EVER get enough money together to move to canada, i'm OUT OF HERE.

Yeah, because our Conservative government is in no way interested in---


Well... shit.

[Wretchedest]

Goddamn, we should not even be thinking about this. It so frustrating how we get fixated on shit going on o. The other side of the world whe. There are enough problems on this continent. Our priorities are so fucked.

[elevenism]

Yeah, because our Conservative government is in no way interested in---


Well... shit.

well fuck me. it seems like the whole world is....fuck. i give up.

[Sallos]

Send the drones to decapitate ISAS's heads off. Though terrorist's are pretty much like Hydra.

[allegro]

[Space Suicide]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27897648

I sure hope not.
Why America has to stick its dick in the affairs of a country that poses ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING THREAT TO US WHATSOEVER is beyond me...actually i wish it was beyond me.

But if there's fucking oil on fire, you can bet we're coming to "liberate" some motherfuckers.

Team America, fuck yeah!

I swear to god if i EVER get enough money together to move to canada, i'm OUT OF HERE.

Such a "War on Terrorism" will never end. As a quote I once heard fits perfectly for the US' Middle Eastern Conflicts:

"You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea."

So much truth in that quote it's unreal. You can try to stop Terrorism groups and Al Qaeda (if even a threat these days) but the ideology and ethics of the group will never disappear and will be followed by others, always.

The US needs to stop being the World Police, no one gives a fuck for the US because of it and no one else has that responsibility so why do we? So many lives and resources have been wasted and lost in Afghanistan and Iraq, is it even worth it?

[Clownboat]

How is this in any way a 3rd Iraq war? The mention of the US being involved is a small snippet in there saying the crisis will be discussed, just like every other major crisis gets discussed. I have no idea why the US being the "world police" is even a relevant discussion topic in this thread right now.

[elevenism]

@Clownboat , because i've been reading headlines like
Iraq urges US airstrikes as insurgents press offensive

Washington Post-Jun 19, 2014

On Iraq, Echoes of 2003

New York Times-by Nicholas Kristof-22 hours ago

and especially
Obama to Deploy Special Forces to Iraq

TIME-by Zeke Miller-12 hours ago.

and quotes like

Obama said that if conditions warrant, “we will be prepared to take targeted and precise military action,” noting that he has already ordered the pre-positioning of U.S. assets in the region and “significantly increased” intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance presence.

I didn't, however, mean to imply that another full-scale war had broken out.
But the reason i discussed america as the world police is because, well, that's kinda how we behave.
I can only hope that cooler heads will prevail this time.

We ARE apparently sending military personnel to iraq again, even though it's supposedly only 300 special forces for now...to participate in their fucking civil war that we halfway started. That's why i am concerned about a larger conflict involving the US.

[allegro]

@Clownboat are you still in the military?

[orestes]

@Clownboat , because i've been reading headlines like
Iraq urges US airstrikes as insurgents press offensive

Washington Post-Jun 19, 2014

On Iraq, Echoes of 2003

New York Times-by Nicholas Kristof-22 hours ago

and especially
Obama to Deploy Special Forces to Iraq

TIME-by Zeke Miller-12 hours ago.

and quotes like

I didn't, however, mean to imply that another full-scale war had broken out.
But the reason i discussed america as the world police is because, well, that's kinda how we behave.
I can only hope that cooler heads will prevail this time.

We ARE apparently sending military personnel to iraq again, even though it's supposedly only 300 special forces for now...to participate in their fucking civil war that we halfway started. That's why i am concerned about a larger conflict involving the US.

Eh, you might want to consider sources other than war hawks who got *everything* wrong about Iraq in the first place.

[Clownboat]

@Clownboat are you still in the military?

Nope. Got out in 2011.

[StillWill]

well fuck me. it seems like the whole world is....fuck. i give up.

Don't worry about it. This provides jobs for thousands and more, directly and indirectly. Keeps the Canadian economy going. Nothing wrong about it.
America can have it's "Blood Oil" from Iraq if it wants. It's more expensive and its also at the cost of thousands of lives.

[allegro]

Don't worry about it. This provides jobs for thousands and more, directly and indirectly. Keeps the Canadian economy going. Nothing wrong about it.
America can have it's "Blood Oil" from Iraq if it wants. It's more expensive and its also at the cost of thousands of lives.

Here is where the U.S. gets its oil

[StillWill]

Here is where the U.S. gets its oil

Well thats nice. Guess by the numbers did it prove that Iraq oil is not worth it.

[elevenism]

Here is where the U.S. gets its oil

@allegro , what in the holy hell were we doing in iraq? it boggles my mind!
190,000 lives (134,000 of those being civilians.)
2 TRILLION us dollars spent.
Iraq's healthcare infrastructure destroyed.
Extremism spread like wild fire throughout the region.
60 billion us dollars spent on "reconstruction," which for some reason means buying more police, NOT paying to repair the infrastructure we fucking ruined.
PRICELESS loss of US prestige on the world stage.
@allegro , i always thought it was about oil, but you shot that theory down.
I DAMN sure don't buy the damn WMD bullshit...plus, even if they HAD wmds , they most CERTAINLY didn't posses a missile capable of delivering a payload to much of ANYONE in the world.
I've heard of the "vendetta" idea. But i just can't buy that either. I'm gonna get you cause you pissed my daddy off on THIS scale?

Which leaves one thing...

A multitude of massive PERMANENT us Military Bases in Iraq, giving us a place from which to attack anyone in the middle east...like, for instance, Iran.
This is all i can figure.
Does anyone else have any ideas?

[Fixer808]

Here is where the U.S. gets its oil

KEEP THAT SHIT QUIET!! I don't have time to go "Red Dawn" on the US when you invade Alberta!

[ibanez33]

KEEP THAT SHIT QUIET!! I don't have time to go "Red Dawn" on the US when you invade Alberta!

Fuck it, let 'em take Alberta. Just a bunch of cows and dirt, anyway. Then we can get Washington and Oregon and revive the "Cascadia" movement from a few years back! We'd have to take @johnbron with it but it's a small price to pay.

[allegro]

@allegro , what in the holy hell were we doing in iraq? it boggles my mind!
190,000 lives (134,000 of those being civilians.)
2 TRILLION us dollars spent.
Iraq's healthcare infrastructure destroyed.
Extremism spread like wild fire throughout the region.
60 billion us dollars spent on "reconstruction," which for some reason means buying more police, NOT paying to repair the infrastructure we fucking ruined.
PRICELESS loss of US prestige on the world stage.
@allegro , i always thought it was about oil, but you shot that theory down.
I DAMN sure don't buy the damn WMD bullshit...plus, even if they HAD wmds , they most CERTAINLY didn't posses a missile capable of delivering a payload to much of ANYONE in the world.
I've heard of the "vendetta" idea. But i just can't buy that either. I'm gonna get you cause you pissed my daddy off on THIS scale?

Which leaves one thing...

A multitude of massive PERMANENT us Military Bases in Iraq, giving us a place from which to attack anyone in the middle east...like, for instance, Iran.
This is all i can figure.
Does anyone else have any ideas?

There weren't any WMDs but that doesn't mean that wasn't the reason why the U.S. invaded Iraq. It was. With full Congressional approval. Because Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Ashcroft convinced Congress that there were WMDs.

George W. Bush made an agreement with the government of Iraq that the U.S. would NOT occupy the country of Iraq and would be out of Iraq by 2011. The country and people of Iraq do NOT want U.S. occupation, so the whole idea of the U.S. using Iraq as a strategic area on its Risk board won't work. And Cheney coming forward now saying that Obama fucked this up, when Cheney is completely forgetting the whole load of bullshit that went on before Obama, is hilarious.

Anyway, I highly recommend this documentary. G and I saw it at the theater when it was out. Below is the documentary, now on YouTube in its entirety. i think you may also be able to see it on Netflix.

[allegro]

Jon Stewart on Dick Cheney's hypocrisy.

[elevenism]

Because Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Ashcroft convinced Congress that there were WMDs.

@allegro , i think i'm going to watch this documentary tonight.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft...the four horseman of the apocalypse.

I don't want to get into foil hat territory here, but i REALLY believe, in my heart of hearts, that 9/11 was used as a pretext to go to war with Iraq. And i think there was something damned fishy about 9/11. Have you seen any of the Lose Change films? There is enough in those documentaries to convince damn near anyone that SOMETHING wasn't right about it.

And then we scrambled to connect it to Iraq. If we really planned to, or did, pull everyone out by 2011, what was the point?
Remember the "axis of evil?"
We know for DAMN SURE that North Korea has a WMD program and they are damned proud of it...so does Iran...but we don't go charging in there.
The Iraq thing just blows my mind. If it isn't the "global chessboard" thing, and it isn't about oil, then why in the hell did we do it, and why in the holy hell are we poised to do it again?
perhaps because we armed these fuckers? and for god's sake, didn't we arm the Sunni and then change our minds and arm the Shi'ite? so do we now feel responsible?

i watched the news tonight and the Iraqi gvmnt is begging for us to conduct airstrikes.
And what strange bedfellows we have over there...Iran and Syria are working WITH U.S. forces to fight off the insurgency.

I will watch the documentary tonight.

[allegro]

And then we scrambled to connect it to Iraq. If we really planned to, or did, pull everyone out by 2011, what was the point?

Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft and Rumsfeld knew that the American public was still full of fear after 9/11 and needed a scapegoat for 9/11, somebody to pin the blame on, somebody to take their anger out on. Enter Saddam Hussein. Saddam Hussein and WMDs were nothing more than a scapegoat, a way to make the American people feel warm and fuzzy, kind of like how the police force in urban areas will pin the blame on any black person, whether they're guilty or not, just to find somebody who's guilty so they can "solve the crime" and make the public feel "safe" again.

[elevenism]

Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft and Rumsfeld knew that the American public was still full of fear after 9/11 and needed a scapegoat for 9/11, somebody to pin the blame on, somebody to take their anger out on. Enter Saddam Hussein. Saddam Hussein and WMDs were nothing more than a scapegoat, a way to make the American people feel warm and fuzzy, kind of like how the police force in urban areas will pin the blame on any black person, whether they're guilty or not, just to find somebody who's guilty so they can "solve the crime" and make the public feel "safe" again.

i've always had a gut feeling that it was something more sinister, that we intended to go to war with iraq long before it went down, and i've never been able to wrap my mind around it. but you certainly may be right.
i'm about to watch No End In Sight.

if you dig those kinds of documentaries, @allegro , you have got to see Dirty Wars. It's on Netlix.

[somethingelse]

Dirty Wars is very frightening. You will cry many times.

[elevenism]

Dirty Wars is very frightening. You will cry many times.

wasn't it?
and right after i watched it, Obama was calling for a smaller military and defense budget here.
It makes an eerie kind of sense, doesn't it?

and yes, @raygunprimed is right. There SHOULD be a warning with this movie...it's kind of hard to watch.
I realized that when i went back and showed it to my girl...she was kind of like "Jesus, i didn't need to know all that shit!"

Oh, btw, Dirty Wars doesn't necessarily tie in to the current situation in Iraq. It's just in the same category...a military/foreign policy expose (ex-po-ZAY.) I can't find the key for the acento.

[GulDukat]

This outstanding documentary explains a lot.

[elevenism]

This outstanding documentary explains a lot.

i'm gonna watch it. Thanks, man.

[GulDukat]

i'm gonna watch it. Thanks, man.

Sure. I'm a big Rachel Maddow fan. She's good at breaking complex things down and explaining them. If you've been following the U.S. invasion of Iraq since it happened, you may not learn anything new in this video, but it's helpful to see everything explained. What the Bush administration did really is quite appalling. Over 100,000 Iraqi dead, nearly 5000 Americans dead, many more injured, families (both Iraqi and American) ruined, over a trillion dollars lost, and for what?