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This ousting of Corbyn is disgraceful: he's being blamed for not winning a fight he didn't pick.
It's a dishonest pretext to pull the party rightward, back into Blairite territory: also, thus, a betrayal of Labor working class voters who voted Leave as a protest vote against globalization and Blairite neoliberalism that left them behind.
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A large proportion of those working class people voting against globalisation own smartphones and have for years plus lots of clothes / consumer goods made in China or wherever. Do they think the phones are made in some factory in Barnsley? You go back to some old labour protectionist society you can kiss all that goodbyeOriginally Posted by aggroculture
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If only we can learn from this..... Plenty of middle Americans who feel just as passed over.
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Its hilarious how how the Leave leaders keep passing the buck on "taking control" on this.
Legally the referendum is advisory. Parliament still have to vote on it and can call a referendum. Whenever Article 50 is invoked legally nothing can change with our EU relationship for two years. It's looking more likely that this won't happen. We may stay in this stalemate for some time.
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That's fine in UK politics, though. If Labour has no confidence in him he has to go. He had a responsibility to make sure his party line was enforced- the Leave result being evidence enough that he couldn't do this. Moreover, there's speculation is that he took an deliberately passive role- effectively eroding the Stay campaign. If that has merit, against his party's wishes, he's done.
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Im not surpised by the result at all. People forget how much difference the English channel has made to our mindset.
Charles De Gaulle knew this too. He knew Englnd had a different mindset.
But i think people really need to stop catastrophising, the left leaning media are like acting like manic, delusional, depressives.
The Guardian website has become a fucking joke.
The markets will stabilize, Scotland will not have a referendum for many years, Westminster will never allow it, Nicola Sturgeon SNP leader does not even have a majority government, and Scottish conservatives who have made a comeback recently will never vote to leave. Over a million Scots voted to leave the Europen Union too. Higher than expected.
i do agree were there a referendum tomorrow they would leave...but the relationship is so complex.
Even if they did leave it would make no difference to the U.K, it would not really effect the economyl
I didnt vote to leave, im upset we left, i had no problem being in the European Union. And i cannot be fucked for the anxiety inducing chaos we have to be subjecting to..this uncertain feeling. Im certain by December things will be ok.
But its such a leap in the dark.
The only thing im genuinely depressed about...is how powerful the conservatives will be now, and urgh Boris Johnson as PM.
David Cameron was an ineffectual blip in history. No one will remember him, he was weak forgettable.
The conservatives have not been this powerful since Margaret Thatcher.
Last edited by Exocet; 06-27-2016 at 08:15 PM.
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And if the people who voted Leave think they will spread the wealth back to those needy areas like the EU did then they can think again
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Of course, UK won't turn into Greece just because it left the EU.
The problem isn't if the UK will make it through, but at what cost. Politically, socially, economically, your nation has entered a really thick fog for the foreseeable future. It's a bit early to be doomsaying maybe, but it's way too early to be optimistic as well. Saying that by December things will be okay doesn't mean much, that's not the worrisome time frame, it's not a matter of a few months. Things will be okay by December, the problem is will be things okay two years from now, and again, at what cost ?
Markets stabilize, they're gyros, they always do. The question is, where will they stabilize, at what level ?
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The pound has already rebounded, UK/US trade deal wont take long to rearrange, they have acctually all been very supportive post Brexit, Canada/Australia/Russia/China/India are all being co-operative. no one (other than Europe) is going to give the U.K too much of a hard time rearranging things.
Merkel says she wants things to go smoothly.
I know many in Europe DESPISE the British now because of this..i worry there are people in Brussells who will actively work against the U.K out of spite.
That cunt Martin Schulz comments worry me the most.
im more concerned with rising racism against minorities, and reconnecting with the working class who voted for this, thats something else, and Boris Johnson running the new U.K government. And the Labour party sorting itself out. I feel Jeremy Corbyn MUST go.
despite the harsh Auesterity measures George Osbornes financial cabinet are very capable, they did wonders for the U.K economy past 5 years, they are a strong bunch. Im not too worried.
Im certain London will retain its position too but this year will be rocky.
I dont know whats next for Europe though.
God is an American
BACKROLLS?!
Heh, Boris isn't running after all.
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BACKROLLS?!
Well, that was painfully unfunny.
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Got to admit I jumped the gun on posting it. Sorry.
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pu-sssy! Puu-sssy!
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Brexit could have been a great opportunity for Labour to put the boot in to the Tories and call for a snap general election, running on a Remain in EU platform like Lib Dems are planning to do. Instead, they embarked on a totally bungled coup - they don't even have a challenger to Corbyn, and decided to implode instead.
Now the Tories look like they're steadying their ship: Theresa May, who might be the new PM, has said "Brexit is Brexit" and that there's no need for a general election until 2020, thus foreclosing chances this might be reversed and ensuring Tory continuity of power for the next four years. In other words Labour had an opening, and they blew it. So disheartening in this era of advancing far right wing.
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He really is a weasel. At least now he can't do any more damage.
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Fuck Jeremy Corbyn...he never gave a shit about Europe. He has been Anti-EU for decades.
i have European friends who have lost jobs because of this vote.
He is the most pathetic leader of the Labour party of all time....and i think he is a liar. Worst of all.
I cant beleive people are still defending him...he did a shitty job on this EU referendum..even in parliment he has the presence of a boring georgraphy teacher. He has no charisma.
He appeals to British Communists
You have to be out of your fucking mind to think this man is going to win the 2020 election and appeal to 68 Million people
Last edited by Exocet; 07-04-2016 at 10:20 PM.
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Aaaaaand Michael Gove's out.
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Two women fighting for the top..this is a first......in any democracy in the world.
Notice how the Guardian website has calmed down on the whole Brexit thing
They are both strong women, im indecisive.
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Seems a pretty easy decision to me, voting LibDem and hoping for an early general...
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Last edited by Your Name Here; 07-25-2016 at 01:28 PM.
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Boris Johnson for foreign minister and David Davis for Brexit minister. Theresa May wasn't joking around when she said Brexit means Brexit.
Labour, on the other hand, still joking around.
Last edited by aggroculture; 07-13-2016 at 03:36 PM.
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Things are moving so fast on a daily basis. Everyone is struggling to catch up.
Theresa May has been Anti-Europe for years. She now has a really strong Anti Europe cabinet behind her.
I acctually think she is the best person for this Brexit process.
She is stronger than David Cameron.
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It's like an 80's horror movie: Never say stuff like that out loud.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...cleveland-rnc/
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I thought she was pro Remain???
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She has been anti EU for years...like most of the conservative party.
She only switched to remain because it was the status quo of the time.
i doubt she really believed it
She is adamant Brexit means Brexit.
the conservative party at its core is deeply anti-EU
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As is Jeremy Corbyn...
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corbyn didnt pull his weight but the ball was already rolling in the brexit direction due to labour's abandonement of the working classes and their concerns.
milliband lost scotland and lost the north east, the effete wealthy son of a full on marxist philosopher was a bigger factor than a guy who's been leader for about a year and already managed to hustle up half a million new supporters
new labour/blairites do NOT have a strategy other than muddle along into oblivion as they have been doing since Blair left. Corbyn has the ability to drum up support and crucially has always been critical of the eu - exactly like the voters who have deserted labour
they think someone like owen smith can win back the brexiting working class? a guy who basically insults both their judgement and their voice by calling for a second referendum?
I am frankly horrified at the fact brexit has happened but it is time to stop compromising and being a bunch of pussies about this, politics is heading towards the radical and populist, and corbyn is the only one who ticks the boxes.
he is not perfect but neither is he standing in anyone's way, until the plp/progress/middle class hand wringing tosspots can produce a leadership candidate who actually stands a chance, it is time to shut up, get behind the leader and mount an opposition to the sociopathic ideologists in the cabinet!
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