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Don't want to start a whole argument about CDs (they are great oh my God I have so many what have I done), but Crimson is one of those bands where the physical object feels more like a part of the listening experience, to me anyway. They have put a lot of care into design and quality control since gaining back rights to reissue the back catalogue, and it shows.
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the only CDs i've bought in the last couple years are the king crimson CD+DVD releases (and the nick cave and the bad seeds ones), ones that come in box sets, and a couple from a band my band played a show with, because they didn't have any vinyl.Originally Posted by botley
my wife thinks it's funny that we still have all my CDs in big shelving units in our living room since i almost never listen to any of them these days. heh.
anyway, really looking forward to this!
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The box set coming out towards the end of the year is said to encompass all three of their 80's albums (per David Singleton's Facebook). So, the Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair releases will finally come out, presumably as separate CD/DVD releases (as well as being boxed together in the big set with Discipline, complete with Blu-ray discs).
My big prediction is that after that, the In the Court of the Crimson King box from 2009 will be reissued with Blu-ray and possibly new material. And afterwards, a similar release to the set coming out this year, but with material from the early 70's.
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oh, man. listening to the Live In Tornoto CD. this sounds INCREDIBLE. i literally don't remember the last time i sat and listened to a regular CD in my living room on my stereo. it's kind of nice.
also, this setlist is fucking killer. larks tongues in aspic pt. 1 is vastly underrated (i love pt. 2, but it's definitely more straightforward).
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King Crimson catalog is now available in iTunes, with previously unreleased bonus tracks (as album only). When did this happen?
I don't mean to whine but I really hate iTunes and the band when they do this.
I'll gladly buy reissues, hi-def/5.1 blu-rays and box sets, but I don't want to purchase Discipline for the hundredth time because I want to hear a bonus track called 'Studio Sessions'.
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David Singleton should be auto-followed on Facebook:
I return from my brief holiday to discover that those kind souls on the DGM guestbook have invented an entirely new source of income for us. This wonderfully simple and gloriously devious plan involves slipping a tiny piece of unreleased material onto each of the King Crimson albums on iTunes, thereby forcing the diehard collector to rush to the iTunes store to re-acquire a downgraded version of the music they already own. Perhaps not a plot worthy of Punk Sanderson and The Vicar, but certainly in keeping with the cruel, heartless businessmen we aspire to be. If only…
For the avoidance of doubt, let me assure everyone that I did NOT have carnal relations with that woman. Sorry. Wrong denial. That we are NOT adding any unreleased material to the downloads. Those who have supported DGM with their extremely hard-earned and much-appreciated dollars/pounds/euros/yen can save them for more worthwhile causes (and we do of course, have a few to suggest). We have added the music to iTunes as it is one of the places where new, often next-generation, fans find their music, and unlike some of the other digital music providers, it offers a fair return to the artists.
The albums have been re-mastered and tweaked to make them work in an iTunes format. In particular, iTunes will only allow you to “protect” (make “album-only”) tracks that are over ten minutes long. So when we make are making album extras, there is a rationale for making these over ten minutes long. The ten-minute extra on the Discipline album which sparked the debate is made of Stormy outtakes all of which have already been available free on this site. (Although having created the edit, I will, of course, point out that it makes a masterful remix – and we will be adding it to one of the forthcoming re-issues).
For those who wish to play “spot the difference”, there is a far more exciting variation on one of the albums, which I had long since expected to be raised on the guestbook – but by mentioning it, I am, of course, forcing fans to re-purchase the entire catalogue on iTunes to find it…
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I bought the iTunes version of Lizard, and it's basically the 30th Anniversary remaster of the original album (perhaps slightly level-shifted to take full advantage of AAC 256kbps headroom) with some bonus tracks from the 40th Anniversay edition thrown in and, yes, a brief snippet of additional studio sessions (Fripp's acoustic guitar overdub for "Cirkus") added for good measure. Nice for the diehards to chase down, but not essential and I imagined the other albums all followed this format. Good to see official confirmation on that.
Amusingly, none of them are available on Apple Music for streaming. Pretty sure the DGM camp is vehemently anti-stream, except for the bits and bobs they post on YouTube and the aforementioned Stormy outtakes podcast. If you've been following that podcast or buying the FLAC versions in the yearly digest compilations, you have all those snippets already.
The 40th Anniversay series is great but I like that they have been (mostly?) reverting to the original mixes for the 200gram vinyl reissues and the bulk of these iTunes releases. Those are the 'real' albums, as much as I love Wilson's stereo remixes. Particularly for Larks' Tongues in Aspic, which is a revelation. The original should still remain in print.
Last edited by botley; 04-21-2016 at 11:07 AM.
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King Crimson CD/Blu-ray: Work In Progress
:: Posted by Sid Smith on Wed., Apr 20, 2016
Robert Fripp reveals work is progressing on the King Crimson full-length, in-concert CD/Blu-ray, Live In Takamatsu, which will be available later this year. Joining Fripp and Singleton in DGMHQ today, is producer Chris Porter.
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Robert Fripp turns 70 today
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More dates added to the European tour. Scheduled to go on sale tomorrow.
Wednesday 2nd November Stadsschouwburg Antwerp
Thursday 3rd November Stadsschouwburg Antwerp
Saturday 5th November Teatro degli Arcimboldi, Milan
Sunday 6th November Teatro degli Arcimboldi, Milan
Tuesday 8th November Teatro Verdi, Florence,
Wednesday 9th November Teatro Verdi, Florence,
Friday 11th November Auditorium Conciliazione, Rome
Saturday 12th November Auditorium Conciliazione, Rome
Monday 14th November Teatro Coloseeo, Torino
Tuesday 15th November Teatro Coloseeo, Torino
Wednesday 30th November Museumsquartier, Vienna
Thursday 1st December Museumsquartier, Vienna
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First official word on that 80's box-set
Beat and Three Of A Perfect Pair, the second and third instalments of King Crimson’s ‘80s trilogy are to be released in October.
Released as part of the 40th Anniversary series they both feature new stereo mixes by Robert Fripp and Steven Wilson on CD and DVD-A, with a new 5.1 surround sound mix by Fripp and Wilson, along with original mixes in hi-res with audio and video extras, on the DVD-A.
Full-tracklistings for both albums and pre-sale orders through Inner Knot and Burning Shed will be announced in the coming weeks. Please note that all material on both Beat and Three Of A Perfect Pair will also feature on the King Crimson boxed set, On and Off The Road 1981-1984, also due for release in October 2016.
More details on track listing and pre-order information will follow.
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Sounds like that box set will be in my hot little hands as a 30th birthday present to myself! Can't wait (dumps savings jar over, a few pennies and a moth fly out)... erm, maybe I should start saving up now.
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Preorders are up for Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair 40th anniversary CD/DVD-A sets.
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but those are also going to be included in whatever big 80s box set they're going to put out, right? : / i didn't get the standalone cd/dvd-a of thrak so i probably won't with these since i'll likely be getting the box set...
butts i wish they had a pre-order for the box set now.
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Radical Action To Unseat The Hold Of Monkey Mind is the title of a new multi-disc set from King Crimson scheduled for release on 2nd September.
Taken from the 2015 tours of the UK, Canada & Japan, Radical Action represents the most comprehensive release for this incarnation of King Crimson, and will be available as a 3cd/1blu-ray set, and in a 3cd/2dvd/1blu-ray limited edition.
Radical Action features every song and piece performed by Pat Mastelotto, Bill Rieflin, Gavin Harrison, Mel Collins, Tony Levin, Jakko Jakszyk and Robert Fripp and as Fripp commented last month while supervising mixing, “This is King Crimson… re-imagined”.
The details for the 3cd/2dvd/1blu-ray limited edition are as follows.
CDs presented as individually themed “virtual studio albums” with no audible audience & mixed for audio presentation
One Blu-Ray featuring a complete set-list drawn from Japanese concert performances – almost 3 hours of music - in high-resolution stereo & 5.1 surround audio complete with “picture off” mode allowing the music to be heard independently in pristine, lossless audio. (24/48khz as per original recordings)
Two DVDs featuring the full concert performances in stereo & 5.1 surround sound.
Expanded, perfect bound, booklet: 36 pages with additional tour photos.
Six disc set presented in two triple digi-packs with booklet housed in an outer slipcase.
Audio/Video performances include:
Threshold Soundscape
Larks’ Tongues in Aspic Part One
Pictures of a City
Peace
Radical Action (to Unseat The Hold of Monkey Mind)
Meltdown
Radical Action II
Level Five
Epitaph
The Hell Hounds of Krim
The ConstruKction of Light
Scarcity of Miracles
Red
VROOOM
Banshee Legs Bell Hassle
Easy Money
Interlude
The Letters
Sailor’s Tale
The Light of Day
The Talking Drum
Larks’ Tongues in Aspic Part Two
Starless
Devil Dogs of Tessellation Row
In the Court of the Crimson King
21st Century Schizoid Man
Suitable Grounds for the Blues
One More Red Nightmare
All copies come with a postcard featuring Francesca Sundsten's striking cover artwork
It has been stated many times that King Crimson is not so much a band as it is “a way of doing things”. Less frequently stated but equally true, is the fact that the band inevitably seeks different ways of doing things. The current incarnation of the band, 2014 – the present day, has already released two taster sets in the form of 2015’s Live at the Orpheum mini-album and the vinyl picture disc EP that accompanied the 2015 tours of Canada and Japan, while the full raw concert performance from a single night in Toronto in 2015 was presented as a 2CD set earlier this year to great acclaim.
Now, with the release of Radical Action comes the most fully realised audio and visual statement from this band to date, running to three themed CDs and a Blu-Ray disc offering the filmed content along with an audio only option in lossless high resolution stereo and surround sound.
The set includes at least one performance of every song/piece of music played by King Crimson in 2015, some pieces originally composed in 1969 the year of the band’s inception, others composed/initially performed at a variety of points since, some new to the tour, all arranged for this specific line-up. Indeed it is characteristic of this King Crimson – in direct contrast to all other post 1970s line-ups - to feature a broad range of material from the 1969 - 1974 era, performed in such a manner as to maintain much of what made the music so arresting when first issued, while arranged for fresh interpretation by the seven piece line-up of today. As Fripp put it (when asked what the title of the album meant to him): “What I like about this band is, that what it is actually doing is not what it appears to be doing...”. The idea of King Crimson re-imagined, that the music as presented is new,
irrespective of when originally composed, is the key element in this band’s makeup.
The set will be released to coincide with King Crimson’s most extensive European tour since 1974, with performances slated to include, for the first time ever, material from all seven of King Crimson’s 1969 – 1974 iconic studio albums and with limited availability via mail order and concert venues.
Audio: Three themed CDs of material recorded in 2015, each forming a separate discrete
performance with audio selected from a variety of shows and fully mixed from multi-track tapes by Chris Porter, Robert Fripp and David Singleton. As no audience is audible between tracks, this allows for a “virtual studio album” effect. (The current King Crimson line-up was deliberately conceived as a performing band rather than as a band concerned with making full studio recordings).
Video: Among the problems most associated with filming live performance, perhaps the key problems are those of the film-makers’ cameras intruding on the audience’s capacity to enjoy the show without interruption and the intrusion of the cameras on the band’s performance. In effect, both performance and audience response must be misrepresented to approximate a live show for later consumption. In order to record the performances more accurately, a series of Japanese concerts was captured via a number of discreet cameras in a “video vérité” style – with neither band nor audience disturbed by filming – by Trevor Wilkins who also edited and assembled the footage.
Audio/Video: Two DVD discs featuring the complete concert performances. Blu-Ray features the concert film in high-resolution [24/48] stereo and 5.1 surround sound with additional ‘video off’ mode allowing for high-resolution audio only playback in stereo and surround sound.
In essence the music can be experienced in a number of different ways – as continuous uninterrupted audio on CD, as a viewable concert performance in stereo or 5.1 surround on the DVDs and Blu-Ray, or in high-resolution, lossless audio stereo or 5.1 surround without pictures on the Blu-Ray.
pre-order links for the 3cd/2dvd/1blu-ray limited edition are as follows
Inner Knot (USA) http://shop.schizoidshop.com/radical...ion-p1603.aspx
Burning Shed (UK & Europe)
https://www.burningshed.com/store/ki...duct/313/7804/
Pre-order for the 3cd/1blu-ray set are as follows
Inner Knot (USA)
http://shop.schizoidshop.com/radical...ion-p1602.aspx
Burning Shed (UK & Europe)
https://www.burningshed.com/store/ki...duct/313/7802/
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edit: onthewall beat me to it AT THE SAME SECOND but made a better post hahaha
make sure you order from burning shed, the amazon prices are way inflated, and with shipping, it's cheaper than inner knot
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Anybody else hearing the auto-tune on Jakko's voice? I know there was evidence of it on the Orpheum CD/DVD, thankfully none on the Toronto 'bootleg' download that I can discern, but perhaps they feel the polished contemporary live albums need it to withstand mass scrutiny? Jakko's voice is fine without it, so I'm a little bit puzzled by this. At least they're not treating archival releases with pitch correction, the way Queen did to Freddie Mercury's vocals on their most recent live releases.
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I couldn't hear it on that video, but it was probably because I was too focused on my mind fucking exploding.
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Oh fuck me........ King Crimson AND Peter Gabriel are going to be performing at the same venue in October. It's the Magic Bag in Ferndale, Michigan. Those incredibly lucky bastards!!!
http://www.jambase.com/show/king-cri...c-bag-20161023
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again, cheaper to buy through burning shed ($120) with shipping ($147 total) than through inner knot ($150 + shipping).
really, really shouldn't buy this right now but i sold a record on discogs yesterday for $50 and i'm cat-sitting for three different people this weekend so i probably will anyway.
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How much is the shipping on Inner Knot? They're based in the US so I figure it would be a little less then shipping from the UK.
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The urge to buy this is hella strong. Hella.
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$22.50
so it's $150 to start with and then $22.50 shipping on top of that, so $172.50 total, as opposed to $147 total WITH SHIPPING from burning shed. don't really understand it myself.
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I might wait for this one. The Pink Floyd box is probably going to swallow up my birthday and Christmas.
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Just call Fripp 'Mr. Brexit'.
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...i don't get it (i'm fairly dense, sometimes haha)
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Trump made a comment on Twitter to that effect, recently, which I was referencing. Basically, the GBP currency tanked after said referendum vote, which is why buying from the UK is much cheaper.
...anyway, I'm considering ordering from the UK store as well, but getting hit with a possible customs/import fee is also something to ponder. Maybe Amazon Canada will carry the box?
Last edited by botley; 08-22-2016 at 05:22 PM.
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