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    It’s a good pop song. Verse chorus verse type ya know.

    what makes this song better than most recent ones is that it’s not wearing out it’s welcome. A few of those Monuments and Oceania songs could have been a minute or half shorter and been much better.

    Dont get me wrong, when billy and Co work on long ones, they’re epic and I love that more, but for these, especially with no solo, keep it short is key.

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    Well I must say, the performance of Solara on Jimmy Fallon was way fucking better than the studio version. Iha had some awesome little additional guitar leads not on the studio version. Much more powerful. I hate the studio version, but if Billy can find a way to capture this performance and release this instead, I'd listen to it... or just scrap the studio mix and release this Fallon performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neorev View Post
    Well I must say, the performance of Solara on Jimmy Fallon was way fucking better than the studio version. Iha had some awesome little additional guitar leads not on the studio version. Much more powerful. I hate the studio version, but if Billy can find a way to capture this performance and release this instead, I'd listen to it... or just scrap the studio mix and release this Fallon performance.
    I don't hate the studio version, but I don't love it, either. Overall, I'd say I do like the song fine, but at the same time, it's nothing special coming from the guys who wrote songs like Porcelina of the Vast Oceans, Cherub Rock, Toinight, Tonight, Mayonaise, Thirty-Three, 1979, etc... They probably should have made sure that the first single released after announcing a gigantic, expensive (semi)reunion arena tour was something epic and amazing that at least comes close to recapturing some of the magic these three guys had in spades back in their prime, which Solara lacks (and hey, easier said than done). That might also be an unrealistic expectation, as it's been nearly 20 years and they probably need some time to rebuild their musical relationship as well as their friendship. However, I definitely agree that this live performance injected more personality into the song, making it more memorable and less "generic" or "forgettable," as some have said. I do think Solara has been treated a bit more harshly than it really deserves (especially on Netphoria!). The fact that it's a leftover from the shelved Day For Night album originally meant to follow the mostly mediocre Monuments to an Elegy isn't exactly winning it any points, though. Hopefully those other seven songs come considerably closer to recapturing that classic Pumpkins spirit, or at least as close as Oceania, which in my opinion was the best album since Adore (yes, that includes Machina).

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    Oh good....another performance of Zero. Thank god we have that.

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    I dunno... showing a little more enthusiasm on a nationwide television performance would probably help their reunion case a lot.
    They all look like they totally don't wanna be there.

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    This is better than the studio version? I don't think so.
    I'm feeling something's ain't right...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fillow View Post
    I dunno... showing a little more enthusiasm on a nationwide television performance would probably help their reunion case a lot.
    They all look like they totally don't wanna be there.
    Who would want to be there? It is Jimmy Fallon after all!

    I'm in the minority. I think this sounds waaaaayyyy better live than the studio recording.

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    for sure better than studio... i wanted those little solos in there lol

    #youtube2mp3riptime (terrible fallon joke)

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    Sounds better live, i did liked "Solara", but it's nothing to scream about, at least it sounds better than most of the "Teagarden..." stuff...
    Last edited by henryeatscereal; 06-12-2018 at 09:35 AM. Reason: typo

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    Yeah, that settles it for me. The song was perfectly salvageable, fuck Rick Rubin, he didn't produce shit. James saves it.

    That said they did seem a little off and Zero was definitely phoned in. Jimmy straight up looked bored back there at one point during it. They were definitely all into Solara more.

    Maybe the mixed reaction to the song has Bill shook. He was absolutely off, really nervous through much of it. You can see him try to get himself back on track a little towards the end of Zero after that incredibly lazy "Pow". His vocals need a lot of work. It's like he's trying to find a comfortable medium and can't quite get there.

    James was the best part of this without hyperbole.

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    Ya couldn't pay me to see them in Columbus.

    Billy can be all of the asshole he wants to be as a person, but he's just not the same frontman, especially not where it counts (his voice/voice style).

    Someone PM when something goes incredibly right with this band... lol I can't hang with this stuff.

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    It's Zeitgeist all over again. Got some decent songs that don't get their due until you hear them live. Much better. James really salvaged it. As for Rubin, he's useless and needs to retire. He contributes nothing.

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    Chamberlain's drumming is also great, to me it's him and Iha the only reason this "reunion" isn't a complete shitshow, Corgan looks so bored and unmotivated (even more than usual...)

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    ive always felt they look disinterested, i kinda expect that from them - its their "thing" (at least to me') - especially james. i thought they sounded great and my expectations were extremely low, surprised by the negative reactions here. billys voice sounded strong (and we know he has his off moments more often that not live) and james/jimmy seemed spot on.

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    I'm with you @center27j cuz I did not like Solara and found this performance the better of any of the post original line up incarnations of the band. I do believe Billy may have been a little shaken from the response. Rick Rubin definitely ruined this song in its studio form. I do think Billy could take his vocal performance up a notch, but I much rather listen to this Fallon performance than the studio version. I hate the track a hell of a lot less here. There's more life in it than the sterile studio mix.

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    Yeah, Rick Rubin has not improved things for anyone ... in awhile. I knew I'd be disappointed in the new songs at least partially due to his general approach. I did like the live performance; every live show I've seen they're all a little disinterested though Billy did seem nervous and Jimmy ... I don't know. Maybe Jimmy is just a little older but he doesn't have the same energy. Which is fine. I enjoyed the track live somewhat. It was great to see James there again, I will say.

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    Is Solara the only song Rubin ruined? Or will he have ruined the entire upcoming EP, as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by perceptionnexus View Post
    Is Solara the only song Rubin ruined? Or will he have ruined the entire upcoming EP, as well?
    He worked on all of the tracks for both EPs coming. Let's hope Billy goes back into the studio and reworks the 2nd EP. Doubtful he can do much now for the first one.

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    I talked a little shit earlier, but I actually watched the two songs just now and I thought the band sounded good. Yeah I'd like to see more energy out of Billy at least, but I'd care more about that at a show than just watching a TV performance (although you'd think he'd be savvy enough to know it will help this tour if he looks more into it on TV). Billy didn't speed up Zero, so that alone was enough to win me over. No idea why they have three guitarists. They are not Iron Maiden.

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    Well shit. The live version was much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post
    No idea why they have three guitarists. They are not Iron Maiden.
    Because he couldn't muster the courage to break up with Jeff. Haha! I kid, Jeff is actually a really nice guy and very down to Earth. I met him backstage in 2015. He signed my poster and then he went and had Billy sign it. I didn't get to meet Billy because he was busy in his dressing room (wearing a white robe) with his baby momma and another Asian girl, but he signed my poster and looked over and nodded at me (I was outside in the hallway).

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    James Iha is a fantastic musician, but my God, he has the stage presence of a log. He’s the same way with A Perfect Circle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachy View Post
    stage presence of a log.

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    Actually I think a log has a lot of charisma. It's kind of an insult to logs considering that one of the stars of Twin Peaks was a log and that log rocked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post
    Exactly what I was thinking of when I wrote the post

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    That performance of Zero and the new song... it looked like NO ONE wanted to be there. I think I saw them all check their watch at some point.

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    James doesn't move around much on stage because he's incredibly near-sighted and D'Arcy said she prevented him from falling off the stage into the crowd on a few occasions. He's always worn glasses offstage.

    All the anecdotes and terrible jokes more than make up for it IMO. I don't need anyone performing rockstar poses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post
    I talked a little shit earlier, but I actually watched the two songs just now and I thought the band sounded good. Yeah I'd like to see more energy out of Billy at least, but I'd care more about that at a show than just watching a TV performance (although you'd think he'd be savvy enough to know it will help this tour if he looks more into it on TV). Billy didn't speed up Zero, so that alone was enough to win me over. No idea why they have three guitarists. They are not Iron Maiden.
    Agree. Best Zero performance since I can't remember when. Billy's voice seems a bit odd. Not sure if is a new stylistic approach or that his voice has aged and can't reach the intensity he used to sing with.

    Overall this was a great performance


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