That'a weird article. Containing 0% of new info and yet having may things inaccurate because of the way the radio guy formulated his question about specifically about MII but Billy responding about the whole M1+2 thing
Man, I missed checking out the forum when Cyr dropped and everyone's reactions have been a real treat. What a lifeless album this is.
"Alienation" from Vol. 1 just came on the random over here. This song... is actually pretty good, I slept on it the first few listens. Outside of "Cyr" (which is passable), that blows the entire new album out of the water.
I honestly think a lot of their recent output is grower material. The further we get from Shiny Vol. 1, the more I appreciate that album. I was fairly disappointed by much of Cyr when it first came out, but several of those songs have revealed themselves to be much better than I'd initially thought. Some songs haven't really gotten any better for me, but I don't think it's a bad album. It's just not as good as most of their other albums. I do think it would have benefited from being trimmed down to a standard album length, though (it's a little too long and gets kinda "samey"). Here's hoping that the Mellon Collie/Machina sequel album that's supposedly coming out this year is more in line with the Pumpkins we're all hoping to hear!
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Medellia of the Gray Skies, that is all.
Oceania was pretty well received, was it not? If we count just 07-20, that would be the one to get my pick, too. There was an energy on that album that brought some flicker back to the flame, ironically with a completely different backup band.
Adore is the one for me. I still remember vividly walking home from the mall with it in the Discman. That little segue from the end of "Perfect" into "Daphne Descends" hit and DD was pretty much an instant win for me on first listen. I completely see why it turned so many off, though...
I just heard "Shiny, Vol1" last weekend and yes, it grew on me, the album is decent, but even as a "grower" it's far from SP's best.
I guess "Cyr" will grow on me over time, i do appreciate the experimentation, but the thing it's too damn long and it has lots of filler.
I can see how Billy it's an extremist: first he delivers a really short album with guitars, then a really long one with keyboards; maybe do one in between?
"Oceania" is a good example of a well-balanced album.
Oceania is such an under-rated and under-appreciated album. I still think it's easily their best album since Adore (yes, that includes Machina & Machina II, fight me!), as well as the only "SP2.0" album that 100% holds up against their classic albums (Gish through Machina).
Oceania is IMO good, not great, and it would be much improved by, IMO, ditching 2 tracks from the late first third/early second of the album. My Love Is Winter or One Diamond One Heart. Most tracks are pretty decent, but there's maybe 3 that are stellar to me - Panopticon, Glissandra, and Inkless (which was way better in its original LP mix).
I like it okay, but it really, really misses Jimmy. It got a decent response when it came out, but it didn't really put SP back on the map or anything.
I loved Oceania, and seeing the band play it front-to-back made me appreciate it even more. Loved the live album/dvd too. MTAE is the last Pumpkins album that I was really into, but I still like their more recent efforts.
And we're off
Also PrettyInNoise, who apparently leaked the new Gojira album's release date, have a 2 LP edition of Machina 1 set as releasing on July 1st. Could be something, could be nothing.
I don't think the item description is really matching what's for sale - this is just a standard reissue of the original 2lp album, which €30 would be fair. I guess I don't know anything about that store to say if they'd be selling a bootleg, but that's still far, far less than what original copies go for.
hi guys, anyone know where I can find Teargarden 1 & 2, I've lost my copies or for some reason I never bothered getting them, thanks
edit: and I can't find them to buy anywhere either
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Gotcher back
Yeah, when it comes to getting physical copies, Ebay or Discogs are pretty well the only way to go about it. I only got my copy of Teargarden vol. 2 a few years ago via the Bay.
Funny thing I remember that a maybe year after Vol. 2 was out, amazon.com started letting them go for like $5 (I had tried to get one and they didn't ship them to my location). Billy will never admit it but that thing must have sold extremely poorly.
Each of the 2 volumes came with a bonus track: Teargarden Theme and Cottonwood Symphony, respectively. Those 2 weren't up for free download.
Updates from the first live Instagram session Bill's done in a little while on the MCIS/Machina sequel album:
-They're recording in Nashville and starting in earnest next week
-Jimmy's already done drum tracks for 31 out of 32 songs (there are 33 total)
-He's calling this the biggest project they've ever done - expects them to be done in around 5 or six months
-A very common thing people were "grumpy" about was the synthetic feel of things on Cyr, so this one is all about Jimmy's firepower behind the kit. "Lots and lots of Jimmy".
-Music is difficult to describe, but he calls it a mix of the old/new school
-They have a view to releasing "the most songs at a time"
What's really interesting is the 5-6 month work period he's referring to there. Hasn't taken that long to finish an album in a good while, not since Oceania.