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[Volband]

In the hyper polarized narratives of this decade, you can't point out potential root causes without people interpreting that as justification. It's so fucking obnoxious. Further using this logic, the reverse happens. Whatever your political alignment is will dictated what you are allowed to accept as a trigger. Because your party says that X is not a justification for something, that means it is completely unallowable to be a trigger... even if the data says it is.

Trying to identify Youtube's behaviour as a root cause for potential murder is equally obnoxious to me. Like, sure, YT is shit and its definitely a topic worth discussing, but they have nothing to do with gun-frenzy people.

[allegro]

Also, talk to high school kids this year and ask what their career plans are. A large majority of the ones I've talked to seem to have career plans that revolve around social media. They "just haven found their gimmick yet" and are working on it.

It's the "I'm going to be a rockstar/rapper" thing but with a much larger percentage of people believing in it and chasing it. The situations where millennial are having issues finding jobs (some blame the life choices of those with issues, some blame the economic situation, but there is reality in both) is going to be nothing compared to what's coming next if this pattern persists.

This is interesting:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/...dia-celebrity/

[allegro]

Trying to identify Youtube's behaviour as a root cause for potential murder is equally obnoxious to me. Like, sure, YT is shit and its definitely a topic worth discussing, but they have nothing to do with gun-frenzy people.

Dude, like it or not, in this particular case, for this woman, YouTube only paying her ten cents for 300,000 hits on her video WAS her “root cause.” It don’t fucking take a lot for disturbed people to do this. We aren’t talking about a root cause taking a perfectly healthy normal person to a person who buys a gun and drives several hundred miles to shoot up several people at an office building on her birthday because she believes they prevented her from making millions of dollars of YouTube revenue from shitty videos. When authorities investigated the shooter’s motive (which is synonymous with root cause, although we understand the underlying root cause is being psychotic), in this case it was her (the shooter) being pissed off at YouTube. The end. Again, that’s not JUSTIFICATION. It’s just FACT. It doesn’t have to make perfect SENSE.

You know that song by Bob Geldof and the Boomtown Rats, “I Don’t Like Mondays?”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clev...Brenda_Spencer

[Haysey_Draws]

This is interesting:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/...dia-celebrity/

That's quite the read. I've always felt they are 2 types of people on YouTube (and Social Media as a whole) those who just want to share their passions and those that just want to get paid. Most of the people who started on YouTube (and Twitch) in their early days are still there, not chasing views but just happy they have their own communities to share their content with. Since the big YouTube boom the platforms have been flooded with those that have seen how much you can make, and then thrown all their eggs into the vlog/streamer basket in a medium that has been violently changing constantly for the last 10 years, with no plan b and now are getting angry that their 'jobs' are at risk when it shifts because they don't have any skills to fall back on.

Most intelligent streamers HAVE plan b's for when the bubble bursts, patrons and subscriptions, and even other skills to work in other areas like office work...most of the 'kids' coming through now chasing the Social Media dream do not, and for them that's Googles fault

[Volband]

Dude, like it or not, in this particular case, for this woman, YouTube only paying her ten cents for 300,000 hits on her video WAS her “root cause.” It don’t fucking take a lot for disturbed people to do this. We aren’t talking about a root cause taking a perfectly healthy normal person to a person who buys a gun and drives several hundred miles to shoot up several people at an office building on her birthday because she believes they prevented her from making millions of dollars of YouTube revenue from shitty videos. When authorities investigated the shooter’s motive (which is synonymous with root cause, although we understand the underlying root cause is being psychotic), in this case it was her (the shooter) being pissed off at YouTube. The end. Again, that’s not JUSTIFICATION. It’s just FACT. It doesn’t have to make perfect SENSE.

You know that song by Bob Geldof and the Boomtown Rats, “I Don’t Like Mondays?”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clev...Brenda_Spencer

Fair enough. Then I misread the tone(s).

Most intelligent streamers HAVE plan b's for when the bubble bursts, patrons and subscriptions, and even other skills to work in other areas like office work...most of the 'kids' coming through now chasing the Social Media dream do not, and for them that's Googles fault

Exactly. Youtube and Twitch are very volatile platforms, and Twitch is a great example of rules may or may not apply. One has to be quite empty in the head to not understand this as an adult, and think they can make a safe living from them. Get the fame, then build upon it. It's the only way.

[allegro]

Most intelligent streamers HAVE plan b's for when the bubble bursts, patrons and subscriptions, and even other skills to work in other areas like office work...most of the 'kids' coming through now chasing the Social Media dream do not, and for them that's Googles fault

It appears that some (many?) kids (adults?) can't figure out (or don' have) career options, or college majors, and/or they don't want to have to "pay their dues" by working up the wage ladder, so the enticement of making quick and easy millions on YouTube is the modern-day equivalent of Rock Star or Basketball Star or Rap Star. YouTube is also an enticing career option for people who are other otherwise unemployable, like this shooter?

Pretty much everybody knows that some substantial "rewards" come from "going viral." And the rewards ARE pretty substantial.

This (now 6-year-old) CHILD makes millions.

It's worked its way into our consciousness so much that now we have TV ads, this is just one of many:



(Never mind that the above are examples of parents making money off of their offspring, which is another topic.)

One has to be quite empty in the head to not understand this as an adult

Welllllll ... there's empty in the head, and there's not quite right in the head ...

And, we happen to have quite a lot of BOTH in this country.

The primary reason I love YouTube is boat fail compilations

[Haysey_Draws]

It appears that some (many?) kids (adults?) can't figure out (or don' have) career options, or college majors, and/or they don't want to have to "pay their dues" by working up the wage ladder, so the enticement of making quick and easy millions on YouTube is the modern-day equivalent of Rock Star or Basketball Star or Rap Star. YouTube is also an enticing career option for people who are other otherwise unemployable, like this shooter?

Yeah you're right. It makes me sad as there are some really great and talented people on YouTube, Twitch and Social Media who just want to entertain or share their gifts, but they are getting dragged through to mud with all these people just after fame and expecting Google/Amazon or whoever to hand it to them, and go right off the deep end when they don't or are hitting the headlines for being the awful awful people that they are

[allegro]

Yeah you're right. It makes me sad as there are some really great and talented people on YouTube, Twitch and Social Media who just want to entertain or share their gifts, but they are getting dragged through to mud with all these people just after fame and expecting Google/Amazon or whoever to hand it to them, and go right off the deep end when they don't or are hitting the headlines for being the awful awful people that they are

Well I think it's also a statement of our society, here. We were remodeling our kitchen a few years ago, totally gutted it down to the studs so we had construction guys in our kitchen for, like, over a month. And one of the guys working for the construction company was complaining that he had a degree in chemical engineering but he couldn't find a job that was "worth it." I asked him what that meant, he said he had to start at the bottom collecting soil samples or whatever with a bunch of others and was making crappy money, he didn't say what his definition of "crappy" was; he got a job doing construction work, instead. So then he said he'd wanted to apply to become a Chicago Cop, but their starting pay was "only" $75,000 per year.

Read that again: Starting pay was ONLY $75,000 per year.

Oh, okay. So now here you are painting my kitchen. Yeah, that sounds like a plan, dude.

Which was like a lot of my fellow college students when I graduated in 2008, who fully expected to exit college, diploma in hand, and start making at least 6 figures. Because, yeah, they'd already "paid their dues" by having to go to COLLEGE oh my god, ugh. Where's my Maserati and my swanky condo? (then the whole economy tanked, I felt pretty bad for them, actually). A big part of the problem is that people have been told, for at least 30 years, to focus on their "passion" and follow their "dream" as a career, which is ultimately just a lot of bullshit that will more likely result in poverty. Your passion should be a hobby. Your career should pay for your hobby. If your job IS your hobby, you're really fucking lucky, that's the lotto but it's not the norm. Do what you're GOOD at that can realistically earn you money. Do your hobby on the side.

[Haysey_Draws]

Well I think it's also a statement of our society, here. We were remodeling our kitchen a few years ago, totally gutted it down to the studs so we had construction guys in our kitchen for, like, over a month. And one of the guys working for the construction company was complaining that he had a degree in chemical engineering but he couldn't find a job that was "worth it." I asked him what that meant, he said he had to start at the bottom collecting soil samples or whatever with a bunch of others and was making crappy money, he didn't say what his definition of "crappy" was; he got a job doing construction work, instead. So then he said he'd wanted to apply to become a Chicago Cop, but their starting pay was "only" $75,000 per year.

Read that again: Starting pay was ONLY $75,000 per year.

Oh, okay. So now here you are painting my kitchen. Yeah, that sounds like a plan, dude.

Which was like a lot of my fellow college students when I graduated in 2008, who fully expected to exit college, diploma in hand, and start making at least 6 figures. Because, yeah, they'd already "paid their dues" by having to go to COLLEGE oh my god, ugh. Where's my Mazerati and my swanky condo? (then the whole economy tanked, I felt pretty bad for them, actually). A big part of the problem is that people have been told, for at least 30 years, to focus on their "passion" and follow their "dream" as a career, which is ultimately just a lot of bullshit that will more likely result in poverty. Your passion should be a hobby. Your career should pay for your hobby. If your passion IS your hobby, you're really fucking lucky, that's the lotto but it's not the norm. Do what you're GOOD at that can realistically earn you money. Do your hobby on the side.

$75k!?! I'd kill for that! Guess it is the culture we're in. I've massive respect for anyone that can turn their hobbies into a job and are smart enough to make it work and have a back up, but yeah not everyone can do that...

[allegro]

Yeah, right, but YouTube, albeit perhaps unintentionally, created this monster. YouTube started as one thing, then morphed into this other thing, because YouTube had to turn a profit in some way or it would have to be dissolved, it's hemorrhaging costs vs. revenue (parent company Google claims it's just breaking even at this point), so this model was created wherein hits generated revenue, to generate content, but even that could get gamed by people with fake hits and fake subscribers, and then the hit-generating model begat the concept of "going viral" that begat awful stuff like videos of beheadings and accidents etc. so it was fluffy kitties and bears in pools mixed with actual accident scenes and vids of decapitated motorcyclists getting ad revenues ... so now it's just one big giant cesspool that has some merits and some awful awful shit mixed with old hard-to-find live Yes videos.

The Internet and the Web are still in their relative infancy. Shit, only 24 years ago we had to use fucking Trumpet Winsock to get on the Web and it wasn't even worth it because it all just sucked and took forever to load a page.

Now I can watch a streamed movie in my hand.

This will all shake out in the future, and years from now, Facebook, YouTube and Twitter will be like Friendster, LiveJournal, MySpace, and Vine.

[allegro]

I've known some of the biggest and brightest computer nerds in the world (I'm not gonna name drop) for over 30 years, some who have patents, and some who have stuff in the Smithsonian, who aren't rich from it but who do get asked for autographs and who are in documentaries. Being known in computer geek circles doesn't necessarily mean "generally famous" or "rich" by any stretch of the imagination. These people do what they love which is also their hobby, but it's a realistic hobby and passion. Not the same as "I'm gonna make a million bucks uploading videos of me puking cinnamon."

[allegro]

Some do. Mitneck (intentionally misspelled for reasons) is the best example of leveraging his fame and getting speaking engagements out of it. The dude actually wants me to build him something so he can leverage it for more speaking engagements. There are some notable famewhore types in the industry. And a lot of who people idolize those who are famous.

But yeah, some are using it for brand/marking and some are using it just to show the world, similar to art.

Well, but also just for UTILITARIAN purposes. The first bulletin board system was built in a snow storm by hobbyists because they couldn't have a meeting because of a snow storm, not because they thought they'd make a million dollars. They never made any money from that, ever, nor did they want to; original geeks were pretty purists about that, too, it was a different time. The guy who wrote me a little autodial script in the 80s so I wouldn't have to keep typing in a whole shitload of numbers into PC Pursuit also wrote PicoSpan and he didn't make shit from that, nor did he care. Computer nerds were some original socialists, LOL. But nerds would talk about guys like Vint Cerf just like people talk about Trent Reznor on this board. Hell, I was at a conference once and guys were getting autographs from Chuck Forsberg.

Holy shit, we're getting into Nerd Drift, here.

[Louie_Cypher]

young media led by youngsters, no business plan other than"stocks will rise". most don't have a tech background my guess is zuck. could not code hello world in python or anything else.
-Louie

[allegro]

young media led by youngsters, no business plan other than"stocks will rise". most don't have a tech background my guess is zuck. could not code hello world in python or anything else.
-Louie

To be fair, Steve Jobs couldn't code, either.

edit: On a side note, you know what I really miss, Louie? Cursor dancing. ( ) Such a lost art.

[Volband]

The thing is, you will never be able to create a SOCIAL media platform without all the cancer it inherently brings. You can have Facebook 2, Twitter 2 and Youtube 2, but you know well, that we will have Logan Paul 2's, Facebook 2 scams and breaches in personal data security, etc. We will never have some utopystic thing where quality and honest content can thrive, while popularist shit will rot. It's up to the parents to educate their young that it is not a steady living, and even if they think they are on the top right now, it is very unlikely it will last.

Also, are we sure there will be 2s from these sites? Keep in mind, stuff like Myspace and Friendster were like the IBM in the operation system race. Microsoft and Apple still rule the market, and it's hard to imagine that a new contender would ever risk their status among casual users. Same could be applied to Youtube or Facebook as well. Google+ failed, Youtube got Google money and power behind them, Twitch got Amazon, while Twitter is your president's favorite free time activity. A better idea alone seems way too little to bring these monsters down. Just imagine what Google money could do against you if you were to compete with Youtube; Youtube threw Pewdie into the dumpster the first moment when he became riskier to advertise as the face of the company and replaced him with the Paul brothers. So yeah, I'd be afraid to just be the friend of these corporations, let alone their enemy.

And you can't really catch them higher up. Twitch recently changed their rules into rubber ones, so they can literally do whatever they want with you. Basically they made rules which are violated by 99.9% of every streamer, so they can just weed out whoever they want on the basis of that alone.

[allegro]

The thing is, you will never be able to create a SOCIAL media platform without all the cancer it inherently brings.

Well, yeah, you're absolutely right about that. The fact is that YouTube NEEDS content, and it needs not just any content but especially content that draws viewers, especially lots and lots of viewers that can generate ad revenue. And, unfortunately, sometimes (often) lots of viewers want to look at really stupid (or awful, or evil) shit. And that will never change. And you're right about the prior platforms being horrible behemoths to manipulate (although it WAS fun fucking around with MySpace pages, LOL, although I had an ETS friend whose MySpace page could seriously cause seizures). And whatever takes its place will have the same scenario; it's human nature that's causing these problems, not the platform, itself.

[allegro]

Shit yeah! I'm just fucking around cause it's fun and I love the occasional opportunity to show it off and have people go "what.... thefuck..."

My favorite thing this year was landing in Forbes while wearing ridiculous clothing and acting like a criminal, and my mom nagging me about how I should dress nicer and not look like a degenerate. I pissed myself laughing.

LOL dude, that’s awesome !

The PROBLEM with these filters is that HUMANS aren’t doing the filtering.

[thelastdisciple]

Has anyone been keeping up with this sex cult story? It's super fucking bizarre.

Supposedly Allison Mack who portrayed Chloe Sullivan in the TV series Smallville is like one of the big kahunas in this thing.

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/culture/...nxivm-sex-cult

https://www.thedailybeast.com/feds-s...h-his-initials

[Louie_Cypher]

the argument that youtube is targeting or censoring anyone is stupid, even though backed by google. they still have operating costs. they tried a subscript model "youtube red". but could not cover the costs. running a video streaming service is not cheap. so they went back to the only proven way to make money on the internet which is to sell ads. so before you start screaming about targeting or censorship. don't support the advertisers. look i don't like the views of fox news so i neither watch nor support their advertisers. look i like the views of the young Turks. so i pay for a subscription. so i can get my fill of loony left wing commie pinko tripe. gun nuts there's NRA TV. white supremacy you're going to have a tougher time. but last I checked you still could not find child porn on porn hub. look it's pretty near impossible to design an algorithm to the job of a sentient human being. then we can scream about robots instead of immigrants who are taking our jobs.
-Louie

[allegro]

Good points, Louie.

[allegro]

Has anyone been keeping up with this sex cult story? It's super fucking bizarre.

Supposedly Allison Mack who portrayed Chloe Sullivan in the TV series Smallville is like one of the big kahunas in this thing.

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/culture/...nxivm-sex-cult

https://www.thedailybeast.com/feds-s...h-his-initials

Yeah I’ve seen an interview with one of the women, she thought it was some kind of woman empowerment thing until she was blindfolded and naked and in a room full of women and forced to hold each other down while they got branded, some kind of crazy mind-screwing shit, and it wasn’t until way later that she realized the brand was this guy’s initials upside-down. I hope they nail this dude.

[Louie_Cypher]

so now that that is done. can we get back to talking about the idiot how he's sending the national guard to the border to protect us from a caravan from Honduras that only exists in the minds of fox news contaminators. how he's getting us into a trade war with china, who just happens to hold 70% of US's total dept. and....
-Louie

[thevoid99]

so now that that is done. can we get back to talking about the idiot how he's sending the national guard to the border to protect us from a caravan from Honduras that only exists in the minds of fox news contaminators. how he's getting us into a trade war with china, who just happens to hold 70% of US's total dept. and....
-Louie

And since my parents are Honduran and live in the U.S., legally I might add, they really hate El Stupido.

[allegro]

so now that that is done. can we get back to talking about the idiot how he's sending the national guard to the border to protect us from a caravan from Honduras that only exists in the minds of fox news contaminators. how he's getting us into a trade war with china, who just happens to hold 70% of US's total dept. and....
-Louie

The weird thing is, Presidents have stationed the National Guard at the border for years, this isn’t a big deal. I didn’t even KNOW this until Trump started trying to appeal to his base (or trying to get props, I dunno).

See this: https://nypost.com/2018/04/07/heres-...to-the-border/

Immigration levels are the lowest since 1972. Crisis omg!

President Clinton stationed armed military at the Mexican border (with the approval of Congress, which is required) but an innocent Mexican farmer was shot by a Marine and that was the end of that.

This is the wrong thread for this, though. The Trump thread is another thread.

[elevenism]

JESUS god, some of that zuckerberg testimony is disturbing.
I may be spelling this wrong, but it's when they ask him about a company called Palantir? Palenteer? Something like that.

Edit: I found a video. It's the second bit of questioning that's so disturbing. He is OBVIOUSLY lying and also seems angry.


it quite literally made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

[thelastdisciple]

JESUS god, some of that zuckerberg testimony is disturbing.
I may be spelling this wrong, but it's when they ask him about a company called Palantir? Palenteer? Something like that.
.

That's interesting, yeah i looked them up and the co-founder is Peter Thiel (co-founder of PayPal) who is or was an adviser for Trump.

Here's the wiki on them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir_Technologies

[allegro]

JESUS god, some of that zuckerberg testimony is disturbing.
I may be spelling this wrong, but it's when they ask him about a company called Palantir? Palenteer? Something like that.

Edit: I found a video. It's the second bit of questioning that's so disturbing. He is OBVIOUSLY lying and also seems angry.


it quite literally made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

Paging @DigitalChaos and @Louie_Cypher

I’m sure this must be typical of Big Data / InfoSec these days, and necessary for counter-terrorism

The meme of Zuckerberg that was passed around yesterday, “SCREAMING INSIDE,” was pretty funny

[marodi]

The meme of Zuckerberg that was passed around yesterday, “SCREAMING INSIDE,” was pretty funny

I love the Zuckerberg is a robot one:

Zuckerberg is David from Prometheus. We're so screwed.

[Louie_Cypher]

Paging @DigitalChaos and @Louie_Cypher

I’m sure this must be typical of Big Data / InfoSec these days, and necessary for counter-terrorism

The meme of Zuckenberg that was passed around yesterday, “SCREAMING INSIDE,” was pretty funny

I've stated already what i think of face book security and zuckenberg in general. i don't want the government involved looked i don't know how much this influenced the election but i don't want either "side" in control of this. look no mater the intention corp corps are no benevolent their sole reason to make money. look how much money is thrown at lobbyists right now to influence legislation. the US has a long history of over reacting to things in can't comprehend. an example of this is the shoe bomber one attempt and now we all have to take off our shoes to get on a plane, i don't want a bunch of 70 year old men who call IT for help in setting up an Uber account on their phone. this could get very dangerous very so please stay woke and stay informed.
-louie

[allegro]

I love the Zuckerberg is a robot one:

Zuckerberg is David from Prometheus. We're so screwed.