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This just in: Chrysler said no to a recall that would have required them to recall vehicles that have been out for up to two decades! The lady pushing all this even has a Facebook page set up to "raise awareness." 48 whole likes. Fight the power.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2013/06/04/chrysler-jeep-liberty-grand-cherokee-recall/2388607/
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Take the number of vehicles in the field (A)Originally Posted by Alrea
Multiply it by the probably rate of failure (B)
Then multiply the result by the average out-of-court settlement, (C)
(A B) C = X
If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
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http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...0,323218.story
two people died at Yosemite the last day I was there, crazy! I was wondering what all the ambulances and crowd around the base of El Cap was for. I'm glad I used restraint in swimming anywhere although it was a very hot weekend.
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and Microsoft
and Yahoo
and Google
and Facebook
and PalTalk
and AOL
and Skype
and YouTube
and Apple
http://www.businessinsider.com/prism...-google-2013-6
Are they just trying to overwhelm and desensitize everyone to this shit right now? It's very interesting that everything is suddenly surfacing. This type of stuff was fairly known about by people who cared enough. Like, over a decade of people talking about this stuff. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center The only thing really lacking was a direct admission, and now we have it.
Another question is: what are they actually doing with it? They sure didn't stop the Boston Bombers... just sayin.
If you look at how the internet works, you'll also realize that the government does not need companies to help them. All data is easily intercepted. The people still control the government, in theory. So, what will the people do?
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As long as they can keep driving their cars to the mall to buy shit... nothing, they will do nothing.
Well... there is that article that I read, which i cannot recall, that outlined all the things one would need to do to make them selves anonymous on the internet.
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The NSA leaker comes forward... not before moving to Hong-Kong.
This guy has massive balls.
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Wow. Hope they don't fuck with him the way they did to Julian Assange.
Rand Paul is trying to bring a class action lawsuit to the supreme court. I hope it happens!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...rd-snowden-why
Q: What about the response in general to the disclosures?
A: "I have been surprised and pleased to see the public has reacted so strongly in defence of these rights that are being suppressed in the name of security. It is not like Occupy Wall Street but there is a grassroots movement to take to the streets on July 4 in defence of the Fourth Amendment called Restore The Fourth Amendment and it grew out of Reddit. The response over the internet has been huge and supportive."
The reddit movement is over here, if you are curious: http://www.reddit.com/r/restorethefourth
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Iceland wants to help the whistleblower
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygree...rtner=yahootix
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I really hope everything this guy says ends up being true. I am holding on to a bit of skepticism though. He has made some grandiose claims that smell a bit like what you hear from conspiracy theorists who lack proper skepticism. Maybe he is just wrapped up on over-speaking on a few things. Saying that the CIA could kidnap him at any time, that the government "could pay off the Triads", and that he "had the authorities to wiretap anyone" just raise a few flags for me.
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The fact they haven't completely eliminated the terrorist threat altogether strikes you as odd? Be realistic... They are pretty open about why & to what end they collect data, it's pretty dark as it is & there's not really much need to try and divine some other sinister motive
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It's also a question of effectivity. Boston isn't some fringe thing that slipped through the cracks. They were scrutinized well before the bombing. If they had this system with such wide reaching data, then had the boston bombers previously flagged for examination, AND didn't stop them... is it really worth it? What the hell have they managed to do with this system?
This comes at the heels of the IRS abuse. Is it hard to imagine people with access abusing the information for personal gain?
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It is some fringe thing that slipped through the cracks - the fact they were under surveillance at one point is exactly what qualifies them as something that slipped through the cracks - otherwise they would just be something the security services were totally unaware of.
you have to take into account how many people will be under some kind of surveillance - I don't know the figures for the US, but the UK has pretty similar policies and currently has about 1 in every 200 people under some kind of watch, the degree to which they are being observed is categorised into 3 classes, with the top class being highly urgent cases with heavy surveillance and the bottom just consisting of someting like an index of details on an individual (no ongoing surveillance). Resources are limited so only so many can be highly scrutinised, and it's a legal minefield so they have to be extra sure when they decide to intrude on people's privacy. There's a lot of people doing provocative things, but also a lot of fantasists, lots of people who proceed so far with a plan and then back out, and then you take into account that every potential perpetrator could possibly have a support network of people who also need to be monitored, hopefully you'll get an idea of the sheer scale of the task.
as such, when an attack occurs, and it later comes to light that services were aware of the attackers to some degree beforehand, this really isn't a bad sign, it in fact shows how effective strategy is becoming (in that they have managed to produce suspects out of thin air using deduction/anticipation)
as for third parties abusing resources... That's a matter of limiting how much power big business has in your state and also making sure your security services are internally regulated. But the Boston bombings don't highlight how useless surveillance is as a concept
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http://mobile.slate.com/blogs/future...and_other.html
Not sure on the legitimacey of the site but it raises a good point, why was this guy given the job in the first place.
"According to the Guardian, Snowden is a 29-year-old high school dropout who trained for the Army Special Forces before an injury forced him to leave the military. His IT credentials are apparently limited to a few “computer” classes he took at a community college in order to get his high school equivalency degree—courses that he did not complete. His first job at the NSA was as a security guard. Then, amazingly, he moved up the ranks of the United States’ national security infrastructure: The CIA gave him a job in IT security. He was given diplomatic cover in Geneva. He was hired by Booz Allen Hamilton, the government contractor, which paid him $200,000 a year to work on the NSA’s computer systems.Let’s note what Snowden is not: He isn’t a seasoned FBI or CIA investigator. He isn’t a State Department analyst. He’s not an attorney with a specialty in national security or privacy law.
Instead, he’s the IT guy, and not a very accomplished, experienced one at that. If Snowden had sent his résumé to any of the tech companies that are providing data to the NSA’s PRISM program, I doubt he’d have even gotten an interview. Yes, he could be a computing savant anyway—many well-known techies dropped out of school. But he was given access way beyond what even a supergeek should have gotten. As he tells the Guardian, the NSA let him see “everything.” He was accorded the NSA’s top security clearance, which allowed him to see and to download the agency’s most sensitive documents. But he didn’t just know about the NSA’s surveillance systems—he says he had the ability to use them. “I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities [sic] to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president if I had a personal email,” he says in a video interview with the paper."
And since people seem to be also unaware of this any more as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
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This is more of a local headline but the video is shocking enough that most people have been interested:
Some crazy fucker stripped down and started attacking people at a transit station in San Francisco.
I used to live 2 blocks from this station, used it multiple times every day. It's kind of fucked up that nobody (BART workers or the riders) was able to deal with a sporadically aggressive person who was attacking females and elderly people. I know that San Francisco has a moral objection to most forms of self defense but some pepper spray would have given the police enough time to get there. Grow the fuck up people.
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Oh shit, I saw that earlier today. Rob Sheridan posted that on one of his tweets. That was fucked up.
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One more video of that guy.
Backflip before his arrest!
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That was a nicely executed backflip to be quite honest.
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Speaking of whistle blowers
Here is a letter from John Kiriakou from prison
https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.document...-loretto-1.pdf
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They finally figured out who the guy was. Unsurprisingly, he is a pro acrobat http://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2013/06...-bart-station/
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Cop shoots 5 kittens dead infornt on family and their young children. Police chief says no disciplinary action will be taken.
http://americablog.com/2013/06/ohio-...euthanize.html
This is pretty horrible and all but I have my own question. Why did the family call the cops first? Why didnt they just try the garden hose method of dealing with critters?
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Some not so shitty news. The Replacements are doing a few shows.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...shows-20130613
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While Obama greenlights arms for Syrian rebels, Fareed Zakaria explains to John Oliver why it's a really bad idea to interfere.
24.24.2.2866
I just read that today from RT, the cop and his chief should lose their fucking jobs.
Those kids will now be scarred for life.
EDIT: wait, which is he a cop or a humane officer, I'm reading conflicting stories?
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Montreal Mayor arrested by Quebec anti-corruption police.
Applebaum was replacing Gerald Tremblay who quit a few months ago amid corruption scandal.
Laval's (Quebec 3rd biggest city) Mayor was also arrested a couple months ago in what is turning out to be Canada's biggest corruption scandal.
The Charbonneau Commission, which is currently shedding light into all of this mess is schedule to continue for another year. Politicians on the provincial level are next in line once the cities are cleaned out.
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The Supreme Court Decided Your Silence Can Be Used Against You
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/polit...plained/66309/
So now you have to invoke the 5th to be protected by it? wtf?!
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Teacher jailed for five years for affair with pupil.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...l-8668567.html
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F.B.I. admits using surveillance drones on U.S. soil.
No big deal, you guys.
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Nelson Mandela now 'critical' in hospital. SA prepares.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23024836
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I really don't get Feinstein. She says that THIS is a huge privacy concern but the NSA shit isnt't?! fuck that
I don't see an issue with surveillance drones as long as we aren't hiding the fact that we use them. They aren't any different than surveillance cameras located everywhere else or helicopters with cameras. Just don't arm them!
I'd also assume that they process/access involved in using them is sane and not being abused but that's the case for all video surveillance. Else we end up with this stuff:
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Difference being that drones can fly over and survey ANY property, including your private property. Governments don't usually set up CCTV in your backyard. There aren't helicopters regularly buzzing around everywhere- we don't know how many drones are being used because they're fucking drones. So yes it is a big deal that this is happening.
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