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[allegro]

We definitely need more and better animal protection laws.

I don't think the filming of animal cruelty is "free speech" any more than the filming of child pornography is "free speech."

Somebody needs to do the same to her as she did to those animals: film it (snuff) and see if they can pull the "free speech" card.

[Deepvoid]

Should we even bother with Alex Jones who said that the government wields a "weather weapon" that can "create and steer" tornadoes?

[mfte]

Should we even bother with Alex Jones who said that the government wields a "weather weapon" that can "create and steer" tornadoes?

You just did. Haaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrpppppp.

[DigitalChaos]

Islamic guy beheads someone in the streets of London, talks to camera with bloody hands:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/break...99-in-england/

[DigitalChaos]

We definitely need more and better animal protection laws.

I don't think the filming of animal cruelty is "free speech" any more than the filming of child pornography is "free speech."

Somebody needs to do the same to her as she did to those animals: film it (snuff) and see if they can pull the "free speech" card.

Limiting video recording really seems to be a slippery slope. Even with child porn, there are plenty of laws being broken without having to go after the video recording. The recording should count as evidence of a crime, not a crime in itself. You are simply documenting an action. Is there ANYTHING that suddenly becomes illegal just because you record it? I can't think of anything... If I saw someone forcing a child to take their clothes off and recorded proof for the police... i've suddenly created child porn. That's fucked up.

[Deepvoid]

Is there ANYTHING that suddenly becomes illegal just because you record it? I can't think of anything... If I saw someone forcing a child to take their clothes off and recorded proof for the police... i've suddenly created child porn. That's fucked up.

What would your law do in this kind of situation?
I would tend to say that in Canada you would most likely face charges of production and distribution of child pornography.

[Dra508]

I know! People just shouldn't live in natural disaster prone areas. It's just not safe. That's why I am moving to Detroit:

Isn't Detroit like a murder capital? I think Austin, TX is in the white - I'm moving there.


Why aren't there more storm cellars in OK

[miss k bee]

Islamic guy beheads someone in the streets of London, talks to camera with bloody hands:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/break...7;-in-england/

Just woke up to this news. Nasty shit. They hacked to death a soldier in broad daylight on the street. This may set off all kinds of shit now. EDL morons are already heading to Woolwich.

[Deepvoid]

Just woke up to this news. Nasty shit. They hacked to death a soldier in broad daylight on the street. This may set off all kinds of shit now. EDL morons are already heading to Woolwich.

That's insane. Someone over at twitter posted a "play by play" for lack of better words.

Twitter user Boya Dee writes an account of the incident online. These details have not yet been verified.

He wrote: 'Ohhhhh myyyy God!!!! I just see a man with his head chopped off right in front of my eyes!
'Oh my God!!!! The way Feds took them out!!! It was a female police officer she come out the whip and just started bussssin shots!!
'Mate ive seen alot of s*** im my time but that has to rank sumwhere in the top 3. I couldnt believe my eyes. That was some movie s***.'
The two black bredas run this white guy over over then hop out the car and start chopping mans head off with machete!!
'People were asking whyyy whyyy they were just saying we've had enough! They looked like they were on sutn! Then they start waving a recolver
'Then boydem turn up!! Woolwich feds didnt want it... They had to wait for armed response.. Helicopters everyting...
'Then thats how u know they were on sutn cos they actually went for armed feds with just two machete and an old rusty lookin revolver
'The first guy goes for the female fed with the machete and she not even ramping she took man out like robocop never seen nutn like it
'Then the next breda try buss off the rusty 45 and it just backfires and blows mans finger clean off... Feds didnt pet to just take him out!!

'These times i was just going to the shop for some fruit and veg and i see all that!' - https://twitter.com/BOYADEE

[Sutekh]

as the guy who played kryten in red dwarf once said... "can't we get all the BNP, NF, EDL and all the beardy weirdies too, put them on an island and just have our planet back"

edit - facebook racism... my eyes... i'm having a stiff drink and going to bed

[miss k bee]

Wish I could go to bed, have to go to work. Man alive, I just hope this doesn't spark off all kinds of shit!

[Sutekh]

the EDL will get drunk in a car park and declare it a victory against sharia britain... I doubt helter skelter will happen just yet the average brit isn't passionately against extremism... but they will ignore it until it goes away

[october_midnight]

Already posted.

[allegro]

Limiting video recording really seems to be a slippery slope.

It is NOT, nor has it ever been, a slippery slope when it comes to certain crimes. No, if you film a robbery you are not committing a crime because the act of robbery is defined by statute and further defined by case law and none of it relates to filming (especially since physical contact must be involved). But, child porn, yes; if you film somebody ELSE filming child porn, you are committing the same crime as the criminal, as defined by the statute. Period. So don't film it; call the police so the activity can be stopped. And anything related to cruelty to animals, including the animal pornography of any kind (including the filming of the torture of cruelty to animals) all falls under the same statute. Unless the statute is murky, in which case the statute needs to be clarified to include any and all cruelty to animals, including but not limited to: [insert every kind of cruelty to animals, here, including torturing animals and filming it and animal pornography].

[DigitalChaos]

It is NOT, nor has it ever been, a slippery slope when it comes to certain crimes. No, if you film a robbery you are not committing a crime because the act of robbery is defined by statute and further defined by case law and none of it relates to filming (especially since physical contact must be involved). But, child porn, yes; if you film somebody ELSE filming child porn, you are committing the same crime as the criminal, as defined by the statute. Period. So don't film it; call the police so the activity can be stopped. And anything related to cruelty to animals, including the animal pornography of any kind (including the filming of the torture of cruelty to animals) all falls under the same statute. Unless the statute is murky, in which case the statute needs to be clarified to include any and all cruelty to animals, including but not limited to: [insert every kind of cruelty to animals, here, including torturing animals and filming it and animal pornography].

Would you not agree that the mentioned case would have a MUCH stronger case if they went after her for animal cruelty than if they went after the act of making the video? I mean, she got off because of the 1st amendment here... I have no idea why they didnt go the route of animal cruelty...

[DigitalChaos]

What would your law do in this kind of situation?
I would tend to say that in Canada you would most likely face charges of production and distribution of child pornography.

@allegro would know better. I bet you are DEFINITELY at risk of facing child porn charges but a competent defense might use "intent" to prove that you were trying to capture a crime in progress instead of produce child porn.

[Highly Psychological]

Brutal murders stabbings, etc happen nearly every day in the UK, and a lot happen in South London, something about calling this a terrorist attack seems a bit weird.

Just seems like two psychos high on Drugs and with some Machetes. Rambling a load of shit. At least three incidents of people attacking Mosques in the UK have been reported since the attack. Including an attempted Arson attack in Essex, The EDL is going to have a field day. The British media is very good at intensifying panic.

[orestes]

If the victim wasn't a soldier, would Cameron have declared it a terrorist attack? Probably not, regardless of how horrifying the circumstances surrounding the incident.

[allegro]

Would you not agree that the mentioned case would have a MUCH stronger case if they went after her for animal cruelty than if they went after the act of making the video? I mean, she got off because of the 1st amendment here... I have no idea why they didnt go the route of animal cruelty...

They should have gone after her for BOTH and they should revise the animal cruelty statute to include filming animal cruelty.

[allegro]

@allegro would know better. I bet you are DEFINITELY at risk of facing child porn charges but a competent defense might use "intent" to prove that you were trying to capture a crime in progress instead of produce child porn.

Nope, can't bank on intent, here, with a jury.

[DigitalChaos]

Nope, can't bank on intent, here, with a jury.

Jesus. So in that theoretical situation... you report child abuse/porn and tell them you have video evidence of it happening... the only thing preventing you from facing child porn charges is the discretion of every single person who knows about the evidence?

[miss k bee]

Brutal murders stabbings, etc happen nearly every day in the UK, and a lot happen in South London, something about calling this a terrorist attack seems a bit weird.

Just seems like two psychos high on Drugs and with some Machetes. Rambling a load of shit. At least three incidents of people attacking Mosques in the UK have been reported since the attack. Including an attempted Arson attack in Essex, The EDL is going to have a field day. The British media is very good at intensifying panic.

Yes people hack each other to death with meat cleavers in broad daylight every day!!!

[allegro]

Jesus. So in that theoretical situation... you report child abuse/porn and tell them you have video evidence of it happening... the only thing preventing you from facing child porn charges is the discretion of every single person who knows about the evidence?

Nobody takes video to document child porn. Ever. Not even the police.

Here's what does happen: you report the possibility of child endangerment and you let the authorities work on collecting admissible evidence.

[DigitalChaos]

Nobody takes video to document child porn. Ever. Not even the police.

Here's what does happen: you report the possibility of child endangerment and you let the authorities work on collecting admissible evidence.

Well, that was a theoretical. I was also saying abuse. Sexual abuse of a child on camera can easily be considered child porn. There are actually several instances of sexual abuse being caught on video.

[allegro]

I'm not turning this thread into a Rules of Evidence discussion, sorry.

[Sutekh]

Brutal murders stabbings, etc happen nearly every day in the UK, and a lot happen in South London, something about calling this a terrorist attack seems a bit weird.

Just seems like two psychos high on Drugs and with some Machetes. Rambling a load of shit. At least three incidents of people attacking Mosques in the UK have been reported since the attack. Including an attempted Arson attack in Essex, The EDL is going to have a field day. The British media is very good at intensifying panic.

It's an act of political violence done to draw attention to perceived issues with British foreign policy, it's not weird to call it a terrorist attack at all. What is your definition of terrorism?

They are psychos rambling shit, but remind me which terrorists aren't?

[bgalbraith]

This Rob Ford (mayor of Toronto) crack video story just gets more surreal as time goes on.
http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hal...ces_james.html

[mfte]

This Rob Ford (mayor of Toronto) crack video story just gets more surreal as time goes on.
http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hal...ces_james.html

Ironically the only trully suprising thing about all this is that he is not out there denying, denying, denying until the evidence against him becomes overwhelming. Just like his DUI, pot charges, drunken screaming at fans at a hockey game, getting escorted out of a gala, grabbing the ass of a female counsillor... his silence in this case is what's freaking out everyone in T.O.

[DigitalChaos]

NOW how will Catholic parents control their children!
Pope Francis Says Atheists Who Do Good Are Redeemed, Not Just Catholics

[thevoid99]

NOW how will Catholic parents control their children!
Pope Francis Says Atheists Who Do Good Are Redeemed, Not Just Catholics

I really like this guy. A man of the people is what the Catholic church needs.