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[Ryan]

I was listening to Can I Stay Here, and Hello, Everything Is Not OK released on Apple Music last year (?) from TF Instrumentals just now in the wake of the recent re-issue news. Went to NIN Wiki, as it's driving me mad as to what the former song is derived from (is it Please?) and was surprised that NINwiki didn't contain that sort of info. Could the wiki entries could be fleshed out a bit rather than the just the standard 'never performed' etc if anyone has any time?

I'd be happy to. I'm sure @piggy and @GrayscaleRain would be too. And @sheepdean.

So to start, do you think it is actually derived from "Please"?

Moreover, we need some main things done. @Malechite, can you do the first two and the fourth one? -

- Add main thumbnail image on main page for Patriots Day, and add info to it about the FYC sampler
that recently appeared on eBay to note alternate track names (and lengths if anyone knows)

- Add main thumbnail image on main page for new Not The Actual Events EP (ps, does this have a halo number?)

- Add info on Not The Actual Events page of the the artwork harking back to the AATCHB style; perhaps note how this is similar to how Hesitation Marks borrowed The Downward Spiral font

- Update current NIN lineup to Ilan, Eustis, Ally, TR and Atticus on main page. Also note the change of art director

- Add info about The Fragile Deviations on its respective page

- Add info about the vinyl reissues and details about them on their respective pages, particularly how the description for Broken says it will contain some secret stuff

[chuenthez]

Maybe it is also time to update this page:
http://www.nin.wiki/Category:Trent_R...cus_Ross_Songs

Juno is missing as well as Before the Flood stuff.

[GrayscaleRain]

I'd be happy to. I'm sure @piggy and @GrayscaleRain would be too. And @sheepdean.

So to start, do you think it is actually derived from "Please"?

Yeah, I wouldn't mind at all. ^_^ I'm in a much better place this time around, too, so I might actually be able to keep up with things if we get a touring cycle next year! <_< Huzzah! And song descriptions and blurbs are always fun to do. Haven't done one of those in a while.

As far as "Can I Stay Here?" goes, it may never have actually been used again or part of anything, though I WANT to say it sounds familiar. Maybe something off Ghosts? It's been a while since I listened to that, so I'll have to compare it. It does have the 'crunchiness' in the synth that Please does, but I don't think anything else matches.

Actually, on second thought, it does bear some similarities to a sped up "I'm Looking Forward To Joining You, Finally." I might have to test that in Audacity...

[simonn]

So to start, do you think it is actually derived from "Please"?

I'm fairly sure, the bass lines appear to be the same in the de facto 'verse' in Can I Stay Here as the Please verse but I wouldn't swear to it. Hopefully one of the other guys can confirm or refute? Or @teitan, seeing he's never off the board these days...

Right, back to She's Got Claws...

[Ryan]

Maybe it is also time to update this page:
http://www.nin.wiki/Category:Trent_R...cus_Ross_Songs

Juno is missing as well as Before the Flood stuff.

Really? They're all appearing there for me (unless someone edited it recently?)

BTW, we also still need to add the BPM rates for Before The Flood here:

http://www.nin.wiki/List_Of_BPM_Rates

[chuenthez]

Well, even by doing some F5 on it, I still don't see Juno and Before the flood on this very page ...

(I am talking about the "Category" page, not the individual song pages, those exist)

[Ryan]

Well, even by doing some F5 on it, I still don't see Juno and Before the flood on this very page ...

(I am talking about the "Category" page, not the individual song pages, those exist)

This is strange. When I'm not logged in I don't see them, but when I'm logged in they are there... Have my edits not been approved or something? -






@sheepdean do you know why this is?

[Beta]

did someone already see that nin.com links to ninwiki specific pages?

[sheepdean]

@sheepdean do you know why this is?

...no. I assumed you've cleared cache?

[chuenthez]

...no. I assumed you've cleared cache?

I've tried it on different places, cleaned cache, browser that presumably never saw nin.wiki, and still it is the "old" version of this page normal people see.

[Ryan]

I've tried it on different places, cleaned cache, browser that presumably never saw nin.wiki, and still it is the "old" version of this page normal people see.

Anyone know how we can fix this?

[TheBang]

Yup, I see the same thing as the others. If you're logged in, that category page lists 94 pages. Logged out/incognito mode, only 81 pages.

[Ryan]

There's probably a real easy fix. If anyone works it out please let us know.

[Ryan]

Yup, I see the same thing as the others. If you're logged in, that category page lists 94 pages. Logged out/incognito mode, only 81 pages.

I'm trying and trying to fix this but still nothing is working. Who is the admin for the site apart from @Malechite ? I really want to start adding info for the new releases but don't feel motivated to start until this gets sorted out.

[fillow]

I know at Wikipedia there's some kind of internal cache which you can manually purge, if such action is enabled in your user settings. Sometimes this cache prevents displaying of newly created articles as bluelinks (they still shown as redlinks for some time) or updating transcluded templates. But this only lasts for a couple of hours at most, and I've never seen any problems with categories.

[Ryan]

I tried playing around and changing some things but it still won't display them unless you're logged in. Frustrating.

[Ryan]

I think I fixed it!

http://www.nin.wiki/Category:Trent_R...cus_Ross_Songs


I followed these steps. Purging didn't work, but I did what it said about editing the page without editing anything and hitting Save:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Purge

Purging will only update the rendering of the page, it won't update the link tables. These tables control lists that the page is listed in (For example, pages listed on category pages, Special:Whatlinkshere, along with several other "query" special pages). In order to force an update of the link tables, you can do what is called a null edit. Click on "Edit" and save without changing anything. No entry in the page's history will appear, but all link tables should be refreshed.

[chuenthez]

Well done and good to know (in case one day I am a ninwiki editor)

[jmtd]

I was about to suggest that earlier but I wasn't logged in as mobile. Did something similar for The Doom Wiki. Glad it's fixed for you.

Edit: is this wiki STILL HTTP only? I'm amaze-balled. Get some Lets Encrypt in your pipe and smoke it!

[Ryan]

I see someone has added Deviations 1 to The Fragile page. Thanks whoever did that!

I just made this and the song pages. Feel free to add more content:

http://www.nin.wiki/Not_The_Actual_Events


I'd create the Patriots Day page but I don't think we have the official track list yet, only the FYC one.

[Ryan]

Update: added Deviations versions in these tables -

http://www.nin.wiki/Remixes#The_Fragile_Era


When I look at the tables I edited on the laptop they all look normal, but on my phone some seem a bit off with the cell structure. If anyone noticed any wiki code errors I may have made please go ahead and tweak them.

[chuenthez]

Well, now that there is activity of ninwiki, I suggest some adds:

- On Closer to God (Halo), Heresy (song) and then their respective section in the remixes area: it should be mentioned the promo vinyl of Closer to God containing extended versions of Closer to God and Heresy (blind). This extended version is mentioned in the Closer to God section of Closer (song) though.
https://www.discogs.com/Nine-Inch-Na...release/215082

- On Only (song), and its remix section: add the "radio edit" version, which lasts 4:01

[piggy]

I see someone has added Deviations 1 to The Fragile page. Thanks whoever did that!

That was me and you're welcome. I also did a few of the other things you asked for.

When I look at the tables I edited on the laptop they all look normal, but on my phone some seem a bit off with the cell structure. If anyone noticed any wiki code errors I may have made please go ahead and tweak them.

Yeah, I'm seeing like a thin strip of extra cell space on the right hand side of TDTWWA but I can't figure out what caused it.

[Ryan]

Soundtrack page created - feel free to add more content.

I edited "Seann" to "Sean":

http://www.nin.wiki/Patriots_Day_Soundtrack

[Ryan]

Should we put the Deviations 1 release year as 2016 or 2017? Digital is out 2016 but physical product is 2017. I put 2017...

[GrayscaleRain]

Should we put the Deviations 1 release year as 2016 or 2017? Digital is out 2016 but physical product is 2017. I put 2017...

That's a tough call, though I would say the physical release as the digital downloads are just extra copies for those that have bought the physical. The actual product will be out in 2017 and it's a completely limited release as opposed to NTAE which is available everywhere on Friday. So probably a good call.

So a couple of things... curiosities really since I've been out of the loop for a while. One, kind of off the cuff, but I have a release that I'm not sure where it came from (I've had it since at least before With Teeth.) It's composed entirely of remixes and is called "This Is Where It All Begins". (I have it labeled as 2002.) I've seen a few of the things that are on it on the wiki, but not others so I was just wondering if anyone was familiar with it.

Another thing, it appears that all of the 42 Entertainment pages are dead. (I recall them being live earlier this year.) I'm sure there is a mirror SOMEWHERE (I remember people being particularly fervent about cataloging pretty much everything at that time.) I just don't know where one is. I'm not sure when this happened, it may be old news, but just something to point out.

[xolotl]

That's a tough call, though I would say the physical release as the digital downloads are just extra copies for those that have bought the physical. The actual product will be out in 2017 and it's a completely limited release as opposed to NTAE which is available everywhere on Friday. So probably a good call.

OTOH, the Deviations digital files are going to be available a day before NTAE's, and it may be a bit weird to have their release dates flipped like that.

[jmtd]

When I look at the tables I edited on the laptop they all look normal, but on my phone some seem a bit off with the cell structure. If anyone noticed any wiki code errors I may have made please go ahead and tweak them.

I fixed a bunch of these Yesterday.

[seasonsinthesky]

I have a release that I'm not sure where it came from (I've had it since at least before With Teeth.) It's composed entirely of remixes and is called "This Is Where It All Begins". (I have it labeled as 2002.) I've seen a few of the things that are on it on the wiki, but not others so I was just wondering if anyone was familiar with it.

Never heard of it, so it's definitely unofficial. Probably one of the many fan-compiled things that were up for download over the years. What's the tracklist?

[GrayscaleRain]

OTOH, the Deviations digital files are going to be available a day before NTAE's, and it may be a bit weird to have their release dates flipped like that.

That's true. I mean, there's not really a right way of doing it? It's just, how do we want to do it? Yanno?

Never heard of it, so it's definitely unofficial. Probably one of the many fan-compiled things that were up for download over the years. What's the tracklist?

Yeah, that's what I figured, I just thought it was interesting because it has some unique stuff on it...
Let's see...

1) The New Flesh (This Is How It All Begins) - 1:20
2) The Day The World Went Away (Blue) - 6:00
3) No, You Don't (Version) - 4:23
4) La Mer (Version) - 5:15
5) The Day The World Went Away (Red) - 8:04
6) We're In This Together (Version) - 3:15
7) The Fragile (Version) - 6:10
8) The Day The World Went Away (Green) - 4:12
9) Appendage - 2:41
10) The New Flesh (Version) - 1:07
11) Even Deeper (Love Dub) - 4:32

I've heard that some of it was released through nin.com during the Fragile days, we know what Appendage is, and I know where the Telefon Tel Aviv song came from but THAT wasn't released until 2007, well into the Year Zero days. I'm positive I have had this compilation since before that? Or perhaps I'd just heard the individual songs before and forgotten they didn't all go together. Hard to say. Also I can't find any info on the 'color' remixes for TDTWWA.