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    "I'm so lost as to why it's necessary to specifically point out the race of the artist. Yes, we know he's white. So what? Beyond being aware of that, the information is meaningless with regards to an understanding of the music. Is there any point in the history of NIN where the music needs to be contextualised by the colour of the artist's skin? No, because it doesn't matter. As I said, it's universal. This is why I stated that the phrase adds nothing to the conversation."

    "Colorblind" attitudes actually perpetuate racism. It is a form of gaslighting, and it is how I used to think not that many years ago. We all see race, it is what we do with our differences. If white people can't see whiteness, and if they are going to be defensive whenever anyone even utters the word "white", then we aren't going to make any progress as a society. You have to see your own race, and see the power dynamics more broadly in society, if anything approaching equality is ever going to be achieved.

    Here are some articles that speak to this issue of "what does race matter?". It's been studied extensively.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...is-form-racism
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-bad-everyone/
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...uctive/405037/
    https://www.amazon.com/Racism-withou.../dp/1442202181

    And to the rest of you who are bothered by this sidetrack interrupting your enjoyment of ETS, good. You need to be bothered sometimes. People of color are bothered by racism everyday in every context from school to work to going to the store. Be bothered. Here's a fly in your soup. Enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    And to the rest of you who are bothered by this sidetrack interrupting your enjoyment of ETS, good. You need to be bothered sometimes. People of color are bothered by racism everyday in every context from school to work to going to the store. Be bothered. Here's a fly in your soup. Enjoy.
    I realize your point was ultimately defending my use of the word "white", but holy heck. Not everything is "racially driven" these days. No one is gaslighting here; me telling you I'm not gaslighting is not my subtle form of gaslighting, either.

    People are upset because a random comment got turned into a college ethics class and a game of "Find The Racist".

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    For talk about racism, there's a lot of white-guy debating here. Oh wait...

    Back to my YZ opinion...I respect it a lot more than I enjoy the execution. I thought the album was going to be experimental in its songs' structures, but it really wasn't (which is fine, TR and AR write pop songs, generally). Guess I had my expectations unmet, whereas with other records and especially the Trilogy, my expectations were met, exceeded, or flipped.

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    Can confirm that most of the time I'm usually angry as well as white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony.parente View Post
    Can confirm that most of the time I'm usually angry as well as white.
    Coming to ETS can do that to you. Well, maybe not the white part 100% anyways- that’s your parents fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triggermine View Post
    I hope I'm not adding more wood to the fire with this, but here's my two cents: "white guy rhyming" has more to do with comedic stereotypes than a racial thing; think Vanilla Ice level cheese. It's no different than "white guy dancing". It's more about illustrative language that paints a picture based on things you've probably seen on film or television (or, obviously, in real life). I get that you're trying to promote progression and positive language, but I think you're reaching a bit with comparing it to using "gay" and "fag" negatively. That's an entirely different thing, and I absolutely agree with that needing to stop. Besides, many white rappers have proven they're not a part of that stereotype (see: Eminem).

    Edit: Eminem is probably an ironic example given his use of "gay" and "fag/faggot" in some of his songs. Sorry.
    That's exactly how I took it. Jokes in general sometimes confuse the hell out me in legit conversations though, (In terms/questions like, "Was that right or wrong? Was that even funny?") but in comedy just about anything goes.

    I definitely always make use of the dictionary as much as possible when it comes to topics like these or words in general. I also suppose it just sometimes depends on who you're speaking to, especially in this case. (As I've often failed to consider the source myself along with context/content and how and what is being said.)

    Quote Originally Posted by kleiner View Post
    When I go onto a Nine Inch Nails forum full of 30+ year olds I really wonder what they all think about race and thankfully this thread satisfies
    I'm actually a bit surprised that it didn't happen in the Speak your mind and In the Headlines sections. (Not that it hasn't happened in the Nine Inch Nails section before, but it proves yet again that such a thing is bound to happen here. It's just guaranteed.)
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    I hate Closer.

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    Hurt has never been a huge favorite song of mine. Occasionally I'll listen to it if I'm watching other video archives.

    But I HATE how a ton of people cover the song, and everyone thinks it's a Johnny Cash song.
    Can't stand it. Yes, the Johnny Cash version is good, but I've only listened to it maybe 2-3 times total since it came out.

    Strangely enough, I never really liked Something I Can Never Have when I was younger, but over the last few years it's started to really grow on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnetic View Post
    Hurt has never been a huge favorite song of mine. Occasionally I'll listen to it if I'm watching other video archives.

    But I HATE how a ton of people cover the song, and everyone thinks it's a Johnny Cash song.
    Can't stand it. Yes, the Johnny Cash version is good, but I've only listened to it maybe 2-3 times total since it came out.

    Strangely enough, I never really liked Something I Can Never Have when I was younger, but over the last few years it's started to really grow on me.
    I agree. Hurt isn't bad, but it isn't my favorite either. My brother is a huge Johnny Cash fan, and he hates NIN, and he won't believe me that Hurt was a NIN song.

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    That's just bullshit. He can look it up anywhere on the internet to see that Trent wrote that song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnetic View Post
    That's just bullshit. He can look it up anywhere on the internet to see that Trent wrote that song.
    Exactly. Interestingly, my brother used to like Nine Inch Nails and Nirvana, but then when I start listening to them, suddenly he doesn't like them anymore. He's younger BTW, I'm the older sibling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pizzalovingnerd View Post
    I agree. Hurt isn't bad, but it isn't my favorite either. My brother is a huge Johnny Cash fan, and he hates NIN, and he won't believe me that Hurt was a NIN song.
    Quote Originally Posted by Magnetic View Post
    That's just bullshit. He can look it up anywhere on the internet to see that Trent wrote that song.
    Nope. Completely wrong. Josh Wink wrote it.

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    I can't get into Ghosts 5. I can't care about it. I'm happy it exists, I'm happy it's out. New NIN is always welcome. Between this and any other soundtrack they made, I just can't.... wow Still Right Here just changed to something else....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixML View Post
    I can't get into Ghosts 5. I can't care about it. I'm happy it exists, I'm happy it's out. New NIN is always welcome. Between this and any other soundtrack they made, I just can't.... wow Still Right Here just changed to something else....
    I’ve yet to listen to it, but pretty sure that’s going to be my feeling on this as well. Kind of over the Trent/Atticus moody soundtrack stuff at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pizzalovingnerd View Post
    Exactly. Interestingly, my brother used to like Nine Inch Nails and Nirvana, but then when I start listening to them, suddenly he doesn't like them anymore. He's younger BTW, I'm the older sibling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pizzalovingnerd View Post
    I agree. Hurt isn't bad, but it isn't my favorite either. My brother is a huge Johnny Cash fan, and he hates NIN, and he won't believe me that Hurt was a NIN song.

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    did he jump off back around Broken or something? because if he did like them and now he hates them, there's a specific point in time where that break had to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegate View Post
    did he jump off back around Broken or something? because if he did like them and now he hates them, there's a specific point in time where that break had to happen.
    He liked Pretty Hate Machine and With Teeth.

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    Not controversial....I dig all these instrumental albums....But man I miss the songs where Trent would actually SING.....The dude is one of the best vocalists out there and he doesn't utilize it. I can't help but think a lot of these instrumentals on the new Ghosts or especially Watchmen would have made killer NIN songs w vocals

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    Wow, what a day - My boss brings me a big slice of leftover pizza (since he knows how much I love pizza) and we get 2 new NIN releases! Unfortunately the pizza was better than the NIN - What is this, leftovers from their soundtrack work? The cancelled Women in the Window score? This release does not come close to what the first Ghosts was, I cannot believe the elitist NIN fans are praising it in the new Ghosts forum. What's next, Atticus will follow Trent around his house one day recording him doing chores and the fans will be all "oh, I love track 5 - I feel like I'm right there doing the dishes with Trent".
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishtifer View Post
    Wow, what a day - My boss brings me a big slice of leftover pizza (since he knows how much I love pizza) and we get 2 new NIN releases! Unfortunately the pizza was better than the NIN - What is this, leftovers from their soundtrack work? The cancelled Pixar movie soundtrack? This release does not come close to what the first Ghosts was, I cannot believe the elitist NIN fans are praising it in the new Ghosts forum. What's next, Atticus will follow Trent around his house one day recording him doing chores and the fans will be all "oh, I love track 5 - I feel like I'm right there doing the dishes with Trent". Honestly, it seems that everything I used to love sucks now - the world can go ahead and end already....
    Maybe this is more your speed:


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    Quote Originally Posted by fishtifer View Post
    Honestly, it seems that everything I used to love sucks now - the world can go ahead and end already....
    Hang in there man. We still have... PIZZA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishtifer View Post
    Wow, what a day - My boss brings me a big slice of leftover pizza (since he knows how much I love pizza) and we get 2 new NIN releases! Unfortunately the pizza was better than the NIN - What is this, leftovers from their soundtrack work? The cancelled Pixar movie soundtrack? This release does not come close to what the first Ghosts was, I cannot believe the elitist NIN fans are praising it in the new Ghosts forum. What's next, Atticus will follow Trent around his house one day recording him doing chores and the fans will be all "oh, I love track 5 - I feel like I'm right there doing the dishes with Trent". Honestly, it seems that everything I used to love sucks now - the world can go ahead and end already....
    cancelled Pixar movie? you mean the one coming out (ostensibly) this year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegate View Post
    cancelled Pixar movie? you mean the one coming out (ostensibly) this year?
    I thought I read somewhere that one of their upcoming soundtracks got cancelled - I can't keep up with them all anymore. Sorry guys, I was sooo excited for more Ghosts albums and was disappointed that it's just more of the same soundtrack stuff they've been doing for the past few years. I'm also getting worried that NIN has been my favorite band for the past 25 years but I haven't liked any of their albums since Hesitation Marks in 2013 even though that one had some real stinkers, but it was the last time I heard some songs that knocked my socks off...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishtifer View Post
    I'm also getting worried that NIN has been my favorite band for the past 25 years but I haven't liked any of their albums since Hesitation Marks in 2013 even though that one had some real stinkers, but it was the last time I heard some songs that knocked my socks off...
    Maybe it's time to move on then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    Maybe it's time to move on then?
    If only it were that easy - I don't want to miss out on a great album or tour (I was lucky to see them on the last tour!).

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    Play The Goddamned Part and I'm Not From This World are fantastic tracks and while it's possible my opinion may change, I presently feel that they have more identity and staying power than anything on Ghosts V-VI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixML View Post
    I can't get into Ghosts 5. I can't care about it. I'm happy it exists, I'm happy it's out. New NIN is always welcome. Between this and any other soundtrack they made, I just can't.... wow Still Right Here just changed to something else....


    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    I’ve yet to listen to it, but pretty sure that’s going to be my feeling on this as well. Kind of over the Trent/Atticus moody soundtrack stuff at this point.


    Quote Originally Posted by fishtifer View Post
    Wow, what a day - My boss brings me a big slice of leftover pizza (since he knows how much I love pizza) and we get 2 new NIN releases! Unfortunately the pizza was better than the NIN - What is this, leftovers from their soundtrack work? The cancelled Pixar movie soundtrack? This release does not come close to what the first Ghosts was, I cannot believe the elitist NIN fans are praising it in the new Ghosts forum. What's next, Atticus will follow Trent around his house one day recording him doing chores and the fans will be all "oh, I love track 5 - I feel like I'm right there doing the dishes with Trent". Honestly, it seems that everything I used to love sucks now - the world can go ahead and end already....
    Yeah... this is NOT good.

    I was afraid to post in the actual Ghosts V-VI thread and get shit on, so I came here to see if anyone had posted anything "controversial" about this release yet. I'm glad I am not alone here. My Instagram feed was cluttered with everyone fanboying about great of a day this is, and all I saw was "Ghosts V to VI" to know I wasn't gonna like it.

    I'm glad Trent is still being productive and doing what he does best, making music... but as @Helpmeiaminhell said, would it kill the man to throw in a couple songs with lyrics into these long instrumental albums.
    I for one, don't like his soundtrack work. There, I said it. I can't stand it. I try to get into it, but I can't. This is more of the same. I feel bad saying it too, but man... this isn't for me. I'm disappointed.

    I don't even think these should be classified as part of the Ghosts series. I can't help but get the feeling these are just scrapped soundtrack cuts edited a bit and re-released under NIN for a quick project for them to do while under quarantine. Hopefully a real NIN release with lyrics and crushing beats comes out later this year too. Oh well...

    I sound angry lol, but at the end of the day I'm not gonna lose any sleep over not liking these records. I gave them a spin, not for me. Just wanted to quickly say my piece. Plenty of other music other there for me to digest. Happy to all that the surprise release of these made their day and got them through the day.

    Just glad to see I'm not the only one here who just feels kinda "meh" about these.

    Quote Originally Posted by allegate View Post
    cancelled Pixar movie? you mean the one coming out (ostensibly) this year?
    He could have been referring to the cancelled Women in the Window score.

    https://collider.com/trent-reznor-at...ore-cancelled/
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    Free or not, the ghosting of the Ghosts download is a total shit show. Several hours-long "Authorizing Payment" sessions, and each time...nothing.

    I would have paid $20 for better service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBurning View Post
    Yeah... this is NOT good.

    He could have been referring to the cancelled Women in the Window score.

    https://collider.com/trent-reznor-at...ore-cancelled/
    Yeah - that's the one I was talking about. At least before they would have the soundtrack work separated as "Trent Reznor & Atticus Ross" and you didn't have to rush to listen to it because you knew what you were going to get. Calling this release Nine Inch Nails??? There is nothing here I would want to listen to in my car and I wouldn't want to annoy my coworkers with it at the office either - they would be all like "what the fuck are you listening to?" - It's the new NIN - they used to be really good. #NOTMYNIN

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    Damn, you can not like the music. That's fine.

    Calling people who do enjoy this type of music ("praising it") elitists while participating in your own circlejerk is fucking hilarious, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    Damn, you can not like the music. That's fine.

    Calling people who do enjoy this type of music ("praising it") elitists while participating in your own circlejerk is fucking hilarious, though.
    seriously. there's nothing wrong with not liking something, there's nothing wrong with being critical of it, but berating or putting down people who like it is so unnecessary.

    unless a thing someone likes is deeply problematic (i.e. racist, homophobic, transphobic, sexist, classist, etc.) you have no call to make them feel bad for liking it. yeah, nickelback sucks, and i might jokingly make fun of someone for liking it, but acting like i'm better than them? nah, we just have different taste.

    sorry you don't like the new, free, 2.5 hours of music we got out of nowhere. that sucks, because i wish you liked it! but don't make me feel like i'm stupid for liking it.

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