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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettybrokenspiral View Post
    https://metalinjection.net/news/what...group-tapeworm

    Charlie Clouser: "We have a lot of recordings from that time, but they're not ready, they're in no fit state to release.."

    Apologies in advance for being that asshole, but..
    I call 100% bullshit on this. You had Trent, MJK, Phil, Page, Danny, Charlie, Toni Halliday, Alan Moulder, Atticus, Jaz Coleman (allegedly) and fuck knows who else working on this thing and yet virtually none of it was fit for release? But projects made on lunch breaks like Things Falling Apart, The Slip and Ghosts I-IV are? Please..

    Mind you, I'm not knocking the Slip or Ghosts; they're both perfectly enjoyable and I love them for what they are. But I highly doubt there's one person on these boards that, if the Tapeworm stuff that "just isn't up to snuff" were to leak, would say "Yea, this is horrible. Was not worth the wait or the hype and I wish I'd never heard this.."

    Quite the contrary, I'd be willing to bet..

    One day this shit is going to leak. It has to. And we'll all be grateful to the high heavens that it did. You'll see..
    A) how likely is it that it was stored in those Universal vaults that burned up?

    B) if it were stored locally, like in Trent's studio, I imagine the wait will be a long time.

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    C) In the dumpster with the rest of Charlie's gear from Nothing Studios

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    Quote Originally Posted by HWB View Post
    While The Slip was made quickly, I get the feeling it was worked quite intensely, rather than just a thing on "lunch breaks" just because something was made under certain time limit doesn't mean it got little attention, I know you are saying those albums are good the way they are but I don't reallyl ike the implication as if they were an after-thought or smaller records or something like that
    There was considerably less thought put into them.

    Ghosts was spontaneous and made without overthinking anything and just evolved into what it did over the span of about two months. The Slip was banged out with the entire live band at the time involved in a matter of three weeks, start to finish. Both have a considerable amount of filler on them, even if it’s perfectly good filler..

    That’s why they both go down a lot easier than his other stuff, too. If Hesitation Marks or The Ghosts6 In The Window were made on that short a timeframe, they wouldn’t be as challenging either..

    Ghosts I-IV and The Slip are most definitely smaller in scale, and they sound like it as well. They’re basically a dry run for what came after as far as his score work, Hes Marks and the EP trilogy. Neither collection is bad; far from it, in my opinion. But you can definitely tell they were banged out in a few weeks time, warts and all..

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    Man, I wish I'd be able to bang out a song like Head Down in three weeks.

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    They were first talking about Tapeworm about 1996 or so, until TR announced it was finally dead in 2004, correct? That's eight years — which is about how long it just took the Rolling Stones to do one new song. And we've heard three ("Passive", "Potions", "Starfuckers", maybe more) that had roots in the project. So that's roughly three times more productive than Mick and Keith, man!! Tapeworm > Glimmer Twins!

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    Never heard about "Tobacco" and I haven't even tried that song, fucks given: 0.

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    I think Find My Way kinda breaks the pace of Hesitation Marks, it comes little bit too early on and is little too minimal for it to appear so early on especially considering it came after two very energetic tracks. Maybe it works little more towards the end?
    I actually think that Hesitation Marks is the only album where I am not the biggest fan of it sequencing. Maybe that's just me though, I am not sure.

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    I don't know why it matters to me, but I would love to know if Ghosts V-VI is indeed repurposed material from unreleased soundtracks or if it is original material written for the pandemic era. Why does this matter? For me, it's always about the stories, not just the music itself. And if these were just discarded tracks for Woman at the Window or something, I don't know why that would bother me... maybe because it feels more like Trent and Atticus than NIN? I guess at this point I don't want to know...

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    I think most of it was made specifically for the pandemic, some stuff might have been from soundtracks but was probably greartly changed to fit these albums. The records float so well together and tell a story of the anxiety people feel with the epidemic that I cannot imagine it being made for a specific movie personally, they are concept albums at a heart even though they are instrumental.

    For what it's worth I hear far more Nine Inch Nails in these albums than people give it credit for, you can hear a lot of development from Bad Witch carrying over to the Locusts while Together reminds me of Still/Fragile era.

    I think it is really amusing to hear NIN release full blown Ambient and Dark Ambient albums, it all kind of goes full circle, Trent's inspirations which started off from Brian Eno, Throbbing Gristle and Coil present themselves on these records clearly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HWB View Post
    I think most of it was made specifically for the pandemic, some stuff might have been from soundtracks but was probably greartly changed to fit these albums. The records float so well together and tell a story of the anxiety people feel with the epidemic that I cannot imagine it being made for a specific movie personally, they are concept albums at a heart even though they are instrumental.

    For what it's worth I hear far more Nine Inch Nails in these albums than people give it credit for, you can hear a lot of development from Bad Witch carrying over to the Locusts while Together reminds me of Still/Fragile era.

    I think it is really amusing to hear NIN release full blown Ambient and Dark Ambient albums, it all kind of goes full circle, Trent's inspirations which started off from Brian Eno, Throbbing Gristle and Coil present themselves on these records clearly.
    I don't know if it's soundtrack work and I doubt it matters, but I cannot believe this was made for the pandemic. It was released ten days after the country started taking things seriously—even the most cautious left-leaning folks I know weren't expecting what happened, at such an intense level, before the end of February. Do you really think nearly three hours of music this carefully composed and mixed could have been cranked out that fast, with coronavirus specifically in mind?

    I'm dubious, obviously, but I'm actually asking. Do we think that's plausible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesquipedalism View Post
    I don't know if it's soundtrack work and I doubt it matters, but I cannot believe this was made for the pandemic. It was released ten days after the country started taking things seriously—even the most cautious left-leaning folks I know weren't expecting what happened, at such an intense level, before the end of February. Do you really think nearly three hours of music this carefully composed and mixed could have been cranked out that fast, with coronavirus specifically in mind?

    I'm dubious, obviously, but I'm actually asking. Do we think that's plausible?
    I don't know honestly, The Slip was also released under a very short time frame, I guess the compariosn doesn't work as these albums are far bigger/longer, we cannot really know exactly how these tracks came to be, when they were written/performed and chances are we will neever find out.

    Is it possible? I honestly do not know, but until Trent or Atticuss say otherwise I will believe this was all mostly meant for the epidemic, not sure if they would be legally allowed to release soundtracks that didn't made it into the movie with the claim that it is indeed an outtake that was rejected. I really dunno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katara View Post
    While I very much enjoy All The Love In The World, the live rendition leaves much to be desired, mainly because no one in the band can pull off the falsetto section. I'd be okay with that awkward transition into the end of the song being reworked completely. Maybe take a rarely-played song and do a mash-up.
    I think it’s sad because I’ve heard Trent pull off some falsettos in recent live performances so why he can’t do it for this and the ‘perfect’ in Closer I don’t know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorzelG View Post
    so why he can’t do it for [...] the ‘perfect’ in Closer I don’t know?
    FYI, he's been doing it in Closer since 2017. Some nights are better than others, but some of them are pretty good.

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    I like Trent's falsetto bits quite a lot because they're not always perfect. I dunno I think he does a good job with them, especially because he does it sporadically save for a few songs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HWB View Post
    I don't know honestly, The Slip was also released under a very short time frame, I guess the compariosn doesn't work as these albums are far bigger/longer, we cannot really know exactly how these tracks came to be, when they were written/performed and chances are we will neever find out.

    Is it possible? I honestly do not know, but until Trent or Atticuss say otherwise I will believe this was all mostly meant for the epidemic, not sure if they would be legally allowed to release soundtracks that didn't made it into the movie with the claim that it is indeed an outtake that was rejected. I really dunno.

    now that I have heard what they pulled together for The Way It Used To Be on Watchmen and how it was a totally new genre and they had a week to do it - I actually am starting to think that at least some of Ghosts V and VI Could have been put together in a few short weeks.

    and I was concerned about COVID and starting to take precautions halfway through February but that might be because I work in healthcare. Just saying while we didn’t know the extent of what was coming, the creeping sense of doom was starting for some people who were watching closely in Feb.

    I still think it was probably mostly stuff from previous efforts, maybe with some reworking a or a few new songs added, but maybe I’m totally wrong.

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    Ghosts I-IV >> Ghosts V and VI

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    My D-tier list is pretty bad. I do not think WT or TS are good albums at all (though both have a few good tracks - the title track of WITH_TEETH or "Echoplex", for instance). Conversely, I think Broken and The Fragile are two of the greatest records of all time, for very different reasons - Broken is amazing, straightforward industrial metal; The Fragile is incredibly varied and complex. There are times I think Trent is close to turning into muzak - Hesitation Marks is real muzaky in places - but times he approaches brilliance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    There are times I think Trent is close to turning into muzak
    ... waiting for teitan to appear with another hilarious "suck my entire cock" comment.

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    Is this muzak? I'm not familiar with the term (really).
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Muzak
    "carefully calibrated to the demographics of the target audience so that every age, sex, and ethnic group will be equally unhappy and unsatisfied"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Substance242 View Post
    Is this muzak? I'm not familiar with the term (really).
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Muzak
    "carefully calibrated to the demographics of the target audience so that every age, sex, and ethnic group will be equally unhappy and unsatisfied"
    I always thought muzak was like cheesy elevator music.

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    People are not ready for my NIN ranking

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    I'm 100% serious.

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    o_O

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    Quote Originally Posted by HWB View Post
    All S-Rank

    I'm 100% serious.
    R.I.P. Ghosts V and Ghosts VI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katara View Post
    R.I.P. Ghosts V and Ghosts VI.
    The site didn't have them but I can assure you they'd be on the same place as the rest

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    Quote Originally Posted by katara View Post
    Try this one with all of the halos: https://tiermaker.com/create/nine-in...35-halos-18554
    Nobody asked, but here's my list. Don't know if it's controversial or not.
    I don't think any NIN release deserves a C or D, so outside this tier list they're actually S/A+/A-/B+/B-.


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    Quote Originally Posted by katara View Post
    Try this one with all of the halos: https://tiermaker.com/create/nine-in...35-halos-18554
    I'll bring in updated tier list soon, this will surely shock everyone!

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    Bit weird to rate singles along with albums, apples and oranges

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