Page 125 of 160 FirstFirst ... 25 75 115 123 124 125 126 127 135 ... LastLast
Results 3,721 to 3,750 of 4778

Thread: Controversial Nine Inch Nails opinions

  1. #3721
    Join Date
    Dec 2018
    Location
    Sydney, Australia
    Posts
    5,892
    Mentioned
    185 Post(s)
    Someone should make a note to ask TR about it the next time they do a Q&A like at that one they did before a show recently in Mexico(?) I think it was.

  2. #3722
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Vancouver, BC
    Posts
    4,022
    Mentioned
    141 Post(s)
    I don't really want to continue to beat a dead horse in the "NIN spotting" thread after we have moved on and got it back on topic, so I'll just post this here:
    @Max

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarah K View Post
    I, too, am so sick of Trent's emo vocals on his score work.
    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post

    I respect Trent Reznor so much as an artist and I’m pretty irritated by the condescending and dismissive tone in some of the posts above. It’s fine if you don’t connect with something he’s done, but at least be respectful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Leviathant View Post
    At the risk of derailing the conversation (This is NIN Spotting after all) I believe Sarah K was making fun of Bill Leeb's post, suggesting that Trent's score work doesn't actually have vocals. StockAvuryah retorted with A Minute to Breathe, which is a TR/AR film score song with lyrics, which Bill Leeb may or may not consider emo. Don't sweat it.
    For what it's worth, it wasn't actually Bill Leeb who was throwing shade at TR in Facebook. It was some goof in the peanut gallery (comments section).
    Bill just pointed out that Birdbox had been streamed 43 million times and there are idiots trying to blindfold themselves and walk around doing everyday tasks and the soundtrack was by NIN. This lead someone in the comments to ask:

    I’m not sure if it’s just a detail you added, or if you’re trying to poke some fun at T. Rez
    to which he responded: "no i think its cool total success again"

    So, no ill-will on Bill's behalf there.

  3. #3723
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    Minneapolis, MN
    Posts
    3,063
    Mentioned
    35 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Erneuert View Post
    Someone should make a note to ask TR about it the next time they do a Q&A like at that one they did before a show recently in Mexico(?) I think it was.
    And they should also ask what the mysterious "video" project they were filming in Mexico was, too (music video?). Because it seems to have been shelved.

  4. #3724
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Vancouver, BC
    Posts
    4,022
    Mentioned
    141 Post(s)
    Continued from the TOOL Thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    . ETE wasn’t APC’s finest moment, but it was good and most people enjoyed it. Sure was better than Trents trilogy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    APCs new album was better than Trents trilogy? I am sure you will find many NIN fans who laugh at that statement.The APC album was a shitbomb and got terrible reviews everywhere and most APC fans I know listened to it once and tossed it (me included).....
    I'm with @Helpmeiaminhell on this one. You thought Eat the Elephant was better than the trilogy?? That's a BOLD statement dude. ETE was and still is garbage compared to the Trilogy. The Trilogy has some major bangers. NTAE is the best thing we got since "The Fragile" so raw, so powerful. It's the closest thing we will ever get to a Broken to TDS 2.0 from Trent. Add violence was decent as well - The Background World is one of the best tracks he's done. Sure, maybe Bad Witch was the weakest of the link, but I would still take BW over Eat the Elephant any day of the week.

    I tried listening to ETE when it first dropped, and thought it was pure garbage. Picked out a few stand alone tracks that I went back to throughout the year, but I could never go back to that record as a full entity. At the end of the year, when "Best of" lists started popping up, one rock/metal list listed ETE as one of the top records, and I raised an eyebrow and thought maybe I was quick to judge, and I'll give it another chance. I tried spinning it in order from beginning to end again, and it was boring. It did nothing for me.

    People always begging for TDS or Broken, and Trent gives the fans what he they want on NTAE, and you say it's a weak release compared to ETE? That's insane.

    I'd rather listen to Ghosts I-IV on repeat for a week straight than listen to Eat the Elephant ever again.

  5. #3725
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Indiana
    Posts
    4,139
    Mentioned
    62 Post(s)
    I liked Eat The Elephant just fine, but it does feel very by the numbers for the most part. It doesn't feel like they've evolved much since their last album. The EP trilogy is solid stuff though and definitely better than Eat The Elephant.

  6. #3726
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Tynemouth, England
    Posts
    2,504
    Mentioned
    45 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    I like/love NIN’s version of Dead Souls. Joy Division? Not so much. That one song NIN just covered is pretty lame IMO.
    Have you heard the JD version at the right pitch? Modern day researchers figured out it was released pitched wrong

    Edit

    NTAE > BW > AV
    Last edited by jmtd; 01-06-2019 at 02:27 PM.

  7. #3727
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Milwaukee
    Posts
    3,929
    Mentioned
    75 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by jmtd View Post
    Have you heard the JD version at the right pitch? Modern day researchers figured out it was released pitched wrong
    I, uhhhh.... not sure if I’m being trolled with this comment about modern researchers and a proper pitch?

    Bears fan here- excuse me while I go drink a bottle of bleach off the nearest high school football fields goal posts crossbar.

  8. #3728
    Join Date
    Nov 2018
    Posts
    53
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    I was curious, too. Found this:



    More details if you follow it to YouTube.
    Last edited by ThermionicScott; 01-06-2019 at 08:26 PM.

  9. #3729
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Milwaukee
    Posts
    3,929
    Mentioned
    75 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
    I was curious, too. Found this:



    More details if you follow it to YouTube.
    ThNks for clearing that up- I’ll give it a listen later. I’ll be pessimistic right now about it though, I just never cared for JD so doubt a change in pitch will do anything. I like Trent’s version that sounds more distorted and heavier compared to their style.

    Cant put a finger on why exactly. Maybe they always sounded dated to me when I did first hear them.

    EDIT: just listened to it. I hate the singers voice- nothing necessarily wrong with the music, that part is fine.
    Last edited by Krazy; 01-07-2019 at 06:05 AM.

  10. #3730
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Tynemouth, England
    Posts
    2,504
    Mentioned
    45 Post(s)
    That video is pretty lol. They've taken the two songs known to have been shifted for singing comfort and extrapolated that out to pitch shift another 30 mins of songs?

  11. #3731
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    1,363
    Mentioned
    20 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
    I was curious, too. Found this:



    More details if you follow it to YouTube.

    My mind is blown right now.

  12. #3732
    Join Date
    Jun 2018
    Location
    Panel K, Simulation
    Posts
    396
    Mentioned
    19 Post(s)
    Joy Division was amazing. I was super late to that party - just really gave them a chance a few years ago, but it really holds up. There was this magical period of music I never knew about - talking heads, Joy Division, Bowie Berlin Trilogy - meanwhile my parents were listening to disco...

  13. #3733
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Location
    Calgary
    Posts
    3,456
    Mentioned
    31 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    Joy Division was amazing. I was super late to that party - just really gave them a chance a few years ago, but it really holds up.
    Ditto. I was late to the party because everything I heard of JD had been on 80s and 90s CDs of not the best transfer quality... so when I started getting into vinyl I figured I'd take a chance on some of the stuff I had dismissed earlier. Kraftwerk, Joy Division, the A Clockwork Orange soundtracks (both Kubrick's and Carlos versions)... all the earlier electronic/industrial/no wave/goth that just didn't sound "right" before, does now. It helped contribute to my theory that music (or subjectively good music) is atemporal; we just cannot keep on top of all of the music all of the time, so we discover it when we can.

  14. #3734
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    4,071
    Mentioned
    166 Post(s)
    For quite some time, I've always thought that there's probably no Nine Inch Nails opinions more controversial and unpopular than opinions against Broken and The Downward Spiral.

    It has made me wonder if there are actually any NIN fans out there that weren't really into Broken and TDS, as inconceivable as that might be/seem. (And maybe not necessarily to the point of actually hating those releases, but that would also very much be the ultimate given for most controversial/unpopular NIN opinions concerning 1990s NIN.)

    And in some ways, Pretty Hate Machine could also be included in this as well, but Broken and TDS still seemed to be by far the most untouchable, unreachable and unstoppable (And arguably "untoppable".) NIN albums in terms of praise, respect and immortalizing NIN altogether. On the other hand, it could also still be said/proven that Pretty Hate Machine still had a hand in all of that anyway, and was very much a tremendous part of the 1994-1995 tours.

    And in spite of The Fragile being loved as much it does, especially on ETS, and even more-so the older it gets, it still also gets very mixed opinions when compared to Pretty Hate Machine, Broken and TDS.
    Last edited by Halo Infinity; 01-14-2019 at 06:47 AM.

  15. #3735
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    661
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Halo Infinity View Post
    For quite some time, I've always thought that there's probably no Nine Inch Nails opinions more controversial and unpopular than opinions against Broken and The Downward Spiral.

    It has made me wonder if there are actually any NIN fans out there that weren't really into Broken and TDS, as inconceivable as that might be/seem. (And maybe not necessarily to the point of actually hating those releases, but that would also very much be the ultimate given for most controversial/unpopular NIN opinions concerning 1990s NIN.)

    And in some ways, Pretty Hate Machine could also be included in this as well, but Broken and TDS still seemed to be by far the most untouchable, unreachable and unstoppable (An arguably "untoppable".) NIN albums in terms of praise, respect and immortalizing NIN altogether. On the other hand, it could also still be said/proven that Pretty Hate Machine still had a hand in all of that anyway, and was very much a tremendous part of the 1994-1995 tours.

    And in spite of The Fragile being loved as much it does, especially on ETS, and even more-so the older it gets, it still also gets very mixed opinions when compared to Pretty Hate Machine, Broken and TDS.
    Well, I'm definitely one fan that isn't as into Pretty Hate Machine as everyone else. I do like the album, but compared to every other release it's simple, generic, and full of not so great lyrics. Don't get me wrong, it's still a good album, but I think it shows that TR was still kind of figuring out what he was doing at the time. Compared to subsequent releases that were so unique and full of interesting musical experiments and production techniques, it just doesn't hold up for me in the same way.

  16. #3736
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    1,221
    Mentioned
    83 Post(s)
    I kinda grew up on PHM, so I have major affection for it. I think if you listen intently and compare it to other stuff from that time period, it actually has a lot going on in terms of how it was constructed. Even then, TR had serious attention to detail and a gift for melodies and hooks.

  17. #3737
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Belarus
    Posts
    4,400
    Mentioned
    96 Post(s)
    In the first two or three years after I got into NIN, I listened to The Fragile, AATCHB and Things Falling Apart exclusively. I simply didn't have access to the rest of Halography where I lived, and it was pre-internet era for me. So when I finally got my hands on PHM, Broken and TDS, the way the studio versions of AATCHB songs sounded was a major letdown... for a while. Needless to say they grew on me later on, but it definitely took some time.

  18. #3738
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Chekhov, Russia
    Posts
    2,020
    Mentioned
    50 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by fillow View Post
    ...the way the studio versions of AATCHB songs sounded was a major letdown...
    I'm glad that opinions like this exist.
    when I read that, I instantly remembered multiple times audiophile people here got all "cannot listen to that CD anymore, the sound is terrible and hurts my golden ears".
    AATCHB is fine. It's f---ing supposed to be overwhelming and make one feel their head is ringing, which it does during the nine inch nails show. Sweet Jesus on ecstasy!
    Last edited by BenAkenobi; 01-17-2019 at 10:47 PM.

  19. #3739
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Belarus
    Posts
    4,400
    Mentioned
    96 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by BenAkenobi View Post
    cannot listen to that CD anymore
    People could say it now, when they have other records and other NIN live recordings to compare. Back then, I was just 16 years old, I didn't know shit one about 'flac', 'lossless', 'clipping' and the rest of this shit. All I had were my 20-25 CDs and two dozens of tapes with music and my CD/tape Panasonic player (which is still alive and kicking to this day!)

  20. #3740
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Chicago, Illinois
    Posts
    10,565
    Mentioned
    528 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by BenAkenobi View Post
    I'm glad that opinions like this exist.
    when I read that, I instantly remembered multiple times audiophile people here got all "cannot listen to that CD anymore, the sound is terrible and hurts my golden ears".
    AATCHB is fine. It's f---ing supposed to be overwhelming and make one feel their head is ringing, which it does during the nine inch nails show. Sweet Jesus on ecstasy!
    it's not that it's "overwhelming," it's the audio artifacting that makes all the high-end sound like it's coming through a fan running at high speed.

  21. #3741
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    Minneapolis, MN
    Posts
    3,063
    Mentioned
    35 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    it's not that it's "overwhelming," it's the audio artifacting that makes all the high-end sound like it's coming through a fan running at high speed.
    I'd be lying if I said I was never put off by it, but the performances are strong enough to transcend the audio clipping issue, IMO.

  22. #3742
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Spain
    Posts
    229
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tension > Lights in the Sky.

  23. #3743
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Milwaukee
    Posts
    3,929
    Mentioned
    75 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by mauro995 View Post
    Tension > Lights in the Sky.
    Was there something in particular you liked from Tension over LITS, such as the setlist/different band members/fan of HM/etc.? I don’t think it would be the production.

  24. #3744
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Spain
    Posts
    229
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    Was there something in particular you liked from Tension over LITS, such as the setlist/different band members/fan of HM/etc.? I don’t think it would be the production.
    First of all, I think that both Trent and the band sounded much better during the Tension tour, Pino Palladino's basslines and the backup vocalists added new layers to the NIN sound, while Lights in the Sky had the Ghost section, that was interesting but I thought that the Tension approach was more daring.
    In terms of production both tours were awesome and it's obvious that Tension wouldn't exist without Lights in the Sky, but the Tension production was much more subtle in my opinion, in a good way, it wasn't about looking at a screen but about elevating the music and the performance. Besides this, it's immersive approach was mindblowing to me, the way they added another screen so that they could create those 3D effects that can be seen specially during the instrumental ending of Disappointed or during Satellite. For me this was the Lights in the Sky production taken to another level.

    And regarding the setlist, I like some Hesitation Marks tracks like In Two more than any song on The Slip. And they played Somewhat Damaged during the Tension tour, which is my favorite NIN song ever.
    Last edited by mauro995; 01-23-2019 at 11:03 AM.

  25. #3745
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Milwaukee
    Posts
    3,929
    Mentioned
    75 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by mauro995 View Post
    First of all, I think that both Trent and the band sounded much better during the Tension tour, Pino Palladino's basslines and the backup vocalists added new layers to the NIN sound, while Lights in the Sky had the Ghost section, that was interesting but I thought that the Tension approach was more daring.
    In terms of production both tours were awesome and it's obvious that Tension wouldn't exist without Lights in the Sky, but the Tension production was much more subtle in my opinion, in a good way, it wasn't about looking at a screen but about elevating the music and the performance. Besides this, it's immersive approach was mindblowing to me, the way they added another screen so that they could create those 3D effects that can be seen specially during the instrumental ending of Disappointed or during Satellite. For me this was the Lights in the Sky production taken to another level.

    And regarding the setlist, I like some Hesitation Marks tracks like In Two more than any song on The Slip. And they played Somewhat Damaged during the Tension tour, which is my favorite NIN song ever.
    I’ll agree to disagree about the production- but different strokes for different folks I guess.

    Agreed on TR’s voice. It was atrocious after he got sick early on, and was probably stretching it to perform at Lollapalooza. As good as LITS was it isn’t necessarily a great setlist either. It can get kind of boring with that middle part that includes Ghosts/Piggy/The Greater Good, despite the eye candy.

  26. #3746
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Posts
    140
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    The LITS vs Tension is shaping up to be an interesting discussion. But lest we forget, in addition to being utterly groundbreaking and revolutionary in its technological scope, LITS was taken to the people in a way that few artists would ever bother:

    Missoula, MT
    Nampa, ID
    Kelowna, BC
    Saskatoon, SK
    Billings, MT
    Rapid City, SD
    Columbia, MO
    Cedar Rapids, IA
    Greenville, SC
    Toledo, OH

    As a fan in flyover country, I will always admire NIN for bringing such a massive and ambitious production to so many small to mid-size markets.

    Personally, I enjoyed LITS more than Tension, and I was on the rail for both. I think that LITS helped shape what became a magical and bittersweet 2009 for the fans. Tension, on the other hand, was the much-anticipated 'reunion' that couldn't possibly live up to expectations. Also, back-up singers.

  27. #3747
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    berlin
    Posts
    1,830
    Mentioned
    65 Post(s)
    nampa is a boise suburb that happens to have an arena (where they’ve played twice). it’s not *that* remote. the same could be said for toledo as a detroit stop. but you’re right.
    Last edited by kel; 01-27-2019 at 12:17 PM.

  28. #3748
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Indiana
    Posts
    4,139
    Mentioned
    62 Post(s)
    I'm biased towards the Lights In The Sky tour since I actually got to see it in person (I had tickets to see the Tension tour in Detroit, but had to bail the day of the show due to a medical emergency), but in terms of sheer performance, I think Tension is probably the better of the two. People can bitch about Lisa and Charlotte's singing and Pino Palladino's head bobbing all they want, but on top of what Trent, Robin, Josh, Ilan, and Alessandro were doing, they added additional layers that really made some of the songs 'pop' more.

  29. #3749
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Kansas
    Posts
    2,647
    Mentioned
    53 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    I'm biased towards the Lights In The Sky tour since I actually got to see it in person (I had tickets to see the Tension tour in Detroit, but had to bail the day of the show due to a medical emergency), but in terms of sheer performance, I think Tension is probably the better of the two. People can bitch about Lisa and Charlotte's singing and Pino Palladino's head bobbing all they want, but on top of what Trent, Robin, Josh, Ilan, and Alessandro were doing, they added additional layers that really made some of the songs 'pop' more.
    I agree. Having seen both myself I’d say that LITS had a much more impressive stage production. Looking exclusively at performance/sound, though, Tension takes the cake for me. Even when I listen to the studio versions of the songs Lisa and Sharlotte sang on, I hear their vocals in my head/sing them to myself almost every time.

    That being said, LITS is always gonna have a special place with me as my first NIN tour, even if both shows I saw were nearly identical in terms of the set list. It set the bar SO high right out the gate, and I was hooked. In This Twilight/Zero Sum outro while the band exited the stage one by one nearly moved me to tears.

    Edit: Adding backup singers to the live version of Came Back Haunted was a fucking G move if there ever was one. Listening to it again gives me chills.
    Last edited by ImTheWiseJanitor; 01-27-2019 at 01:03 PM.

  30. #3750
    Join Date
    Jun 2018
    Location
    Misery State
    Posts
    519
    Mentioned
    29 Post(s)
    Tension is the tour that made me love "Sanctified". It was one of the few NIN songs that I actively disliked, but I LOVE that version.

    I just looked it up on Youtube and one of the top comment cracked me up. "The bass in this song is how babies are made. Fertilization sounds like this. You can look up the information in any biology textbook and they'll cite this performance in the chapter on human reproduction."

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions