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    "I'm so lost as to why it's necessary to specifically point out the race of the artist. Yes, we know he's white. So what? Beyond being aware of that, the information is meaningless with regards to an understanding of the music. Is there any point in the history of NIN where the music needs to be contextualised by the colour of the artist's skin? No, because it doesn't matter. As I said, it's universal. This is why I stated that the phrase adds nothing to the conversation."

    "Colorblind" attitudes actually perpetuate racism. It is a form of gaslighting, and it is how I used to think not that many years ago. We all see race, it is what we do with our differences. If white people can't see whiteness, and if they are going to be defensive whenever anyone even utters the word "white", then we aren't going to make any progress as a society. You have to see your own race, and see the power dynamics more broadly in society, if anything approaching equality is ever going to be achieved.

    Here are some articles that speak to this issue of "what does race matter?". It's been studied extensively.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...is-form-racism
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-bad-everyone/
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...uctive/405037/
    https://www.amazon.com/Racism-withou.../dp/1442202181

    And to the rest of you who are bothered by this sidetrack interrupting your enjoyment of ETS, good. You need to be bothered sometimes. People of color are bothered by racism everyday in every context from school to work to going to the store. Be bothered. Here's a fly in your soup. Enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    And to the rest of you who are bothered by this sidetrack interrupting your enjoyment of ETS, good. You need to be bothered sometimes. People of color are bothered by racism everyday in every context from school to work to going to the store. Be bothered. Here's a fly in your soup. Enjoy.
    I realize your point was ultimately defending my use of the word "white", but holy heck. Not everything is "racially driven" these days. No one is gaslighting here; me telling you I'm not gaslighting is not my subtle form of gaslighting, either.

    People are upset because a random comment got turned into a college ethics class and a game of "Find The Racist".

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    For talk about racism, there's a lot of white-guy debating here. Oh wait...

    Back to my YZ opinion...I respect it a lot more than I enjoy the execution. I thought the album was going to be experimental in its songs' structures, but it really wasn't (which is fine, TR and AR write pop songs, generally). Guess I had my expectations unmet, whereas with other records and especially the Trilogy, my expectations were met, exceeded, or flipped.

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    Can confirm that most of the time I'm usually angry as well as white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony.parente View Post
    Can confirm that most of the time I'm usually angry as well as white.
    Coming to ETS can do that to you. Well, maybe not the white part 100% anyways- that’s your parents fault.

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