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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    What is there to get? It's two EPs and an album that work together as a loose narrative. Just because it's not all in one album doesn't make it pointless. If you don't like the music itself, fine, but the concept is pretty clear, and it's not that out there of an idea.

    Also...you know...Broken and The Perfect Drug and Burn and Deep and...
    I dont even see how they work together as a loose narrative. Broken feels fluid to me... and the three great songs work within the movies they were made for. Burn was literally perfect for NBK.

    That being said, I am happy they are putting out music so this is some pretty high level complaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul_guyet View Post
    I feel like the only "easy to consume" thing on the first two EPs is "Less Than". On most everything else you can't hear the lyrics and the music is hardly what a normal person would call "palatable". The weird slow jazz of TITP? The 7 minute meltdown at the end of TBW? It's nuts...

    As far as not liking what's going on, I feel like these EPs were an experiment and that he'll (probably?) get back to something less out there for halo 33.

    Maybe.

    Or we'll get Ghosts V-VIII.
    Yes, Less Than was made for radio, that is for sure. It is probably my third (edit from 2 because The Background World is pretty damn good) fav song of the trilogy so far. Burning Bright is by far my favorite. I just read a bunch of quotes from TR talking about the new way people consume music and these EPs being an experiment ... to create music that matches how people consume music. I would set links if I remembers where I read it.
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    Muse is doing things similar right now. Matt says the current climate is all about having a single and no one is listening to full albums. So they’ve released a 1 off single every couple months. Looks like they are working on a full album now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oceanic Voyager View Post
    Yes, Less Than was made for radio, that is for sure. It is probably my third (edit from 2 because The Background World is pretty damn good) fav song of the trilogy so far. Burning Bright is by far my favorite. I just read a bunch of quotes from TR talking about the new way people consume music and these EPs being an experiment ... to create music that matches how people consume music. I would set links if I remembers where I read it.
    I think I remember that interview. I believe he was referring to releasing smaller projects every year or so as opposed to a full length album every four years, I don't think he was comparing the accessibility of said releases.
    It'll be interesting to see how this approach works for him. I always wonder how bands that've been around for decades garner new fans. You can't just put out an LP with a radio single because there is no radio anymore. Music videos only exist if you track them down and only really get noticed if they go viral. I suppose an artist can just be happy with their 30 year fanbase (like some of the folks here who are going to follow every move NIN makes and buy three different versions of every release), but I'm always interested on how a band evolves their fans.
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    I'm not a big fan of year zero album, I think i hate a little that album (Meet your master, The great destroyer, Me I''m not, Warning, Vessel)
    I really like the song everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by AThousandDaysBefore View Post
    I'm not a big fan of year zero album, I think i hate a little that album (Meet your master, The great destroyer, Me I''m not, Warning, Vessel)
    I really like the song everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by AThousandDaysBefore View Post
    I'm not a big fan of year zero album, I think i hate a little that album (Meet your master, The great destroyer, Me I''m not, Warning, Vessel)
    I really like the song everything
    Funny, I love the end of The Great Destroyer and Me I 'm not is just awesome imho. And the message in Year Zero in general is so true and valid today.
    Different strokes for different folks.

    btw, Everything is so much fun. I totally agree with you there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul_guyet View Post
    I think I remember that interview. I believe he was referring to releasing smaller projects every year or so as opposed to a full length album every four years, I don't think he was comparing the accessibility of said releases.
    It'll be interesting to see how this approach works for him. I always wonder how bands that've been around for decades garner new fans. You can't just put out an LP with a radio single because there is no radio anymore. Music videos only exist if you track them down and only really get noticed if they go viral. I suppose an artist can just be happy with their 30 year fanbase (like some of the folks here who are going to follow every move NIN makes and buy three different versions of every release), but I'm always interested on how a band evolves their fans.
    That is possible, I may have over interpreted that quote about the albums onto the individual songs. That being said, I haven't been a fan of what they have decided to release as singles, which in the end may be my real beef. This latest release was ... wtf? I love Bowie, but not NIN's doing Bowie. It was much better when Bowie was doing NINs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oceanic Voyager View Post
    I love Bowie, but not NIN's doing Bowie. It was much better when Bowie was doing NINs
    I like the new song a lot, but I have to give you props for this clever thought.

    For me, GBDTD is kind of NIN doing Bowie doing NIN (which was influenced by Bowie.)
    How bout that?

    Low influenced TDS which influenced Outside which influenced GBDTD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    Low influenced TDS which influenced Outside which influenced GBDTD.
    That sounds about right. How great was it to have Bowie's iconic voice and personality paired with the sound of NIN?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oceanic Voyager View Post
    That sounds about right. How great was it to have Bowie's iconic voice and personality paired with the sound of NIN?
    oh it was great alright.
    Outside is pretty much my all time favorite album.

    And that's why I will never forgive myself for missing the Bowie/NIN show in Dallas in 95. Fifteen year old me had decided that he should no longer support NIN because they had "sold out" by scoring a radio hit with Closer.
    I was over the NIN ban within a few weeks, but of course that fucking show happened during that time period.
    I also mistakenly thought I'd have plenty more chances to see Bowie (I never saw him, ever.)
    I still have a hard time talking about it, ha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul_guyet View Post
    Whatever it is, I hope it's fucking amazing, simply because my friend Barrett has been going by @halo33 for as long as I've known him and I'd be REALLY bummed out if it sucked.
    I love you for saying it. Been using this moniker since the dawn of the internet.

    But seriously, there were plenty of times over the years that I didn't think he was even gonna make it to 33. Part of me was fine with that. (especially after he started doing all the soundtrack work)

    Now that we are right on the cusp of it though, I just want him to call up and say, "hey swing by the studio and check out the making of it!"

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    Alex Karapetis is the best NIN drummer that has ever been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StockAvuryah View Post
    Turns out it was an anti-arg to make us as hopeless as Trent. Great, this record is now even bleaker.

    It's not a stupid thread, he just confirmed he really was playing with us. But in the end, nothing matters and we're all shit. Was an honor to play with you lads.
    I have no problem admitting I'm wrong; I'm usually the first person to throw myself under the bus.

    This extreme nihilism is incredibly off-putting. It's also an incredibly lazy way to end a "trilogy". I just kind of expected more from someone in their 50's with multiple kids than an elaborate troll.

    That being said, I'm way more "offended" than I probably should be. Just seems to be a lot of ass kissing, "Oh! You got us, Trent!".

    Done with this band and done with this board. I know, good riddance.

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    I don't see it as trolling. I mean, it's not meant to be a prank. From reading that interview, it's become clear that a narrative that flows through all three albums is trying to make sense out of chaos only to find more chaos. And yeah, that's a very bleak way of looking at things, but should we expect any less?

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    While I'm disappointed they abandoned the direction they appeared to be going, that's not how creativity works. He said the album 'revealed itself' to him. And Bad Witch is that result. The original, planned resolution didn't feel sincere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    I have no problem admitting I'm wrong; I'm usually the first person to throw myself under the bus.

    This extreme nihilism is incredibly off-putting. It's also an incredibly lazy way to end a "trilogy". I just kind of expected more from someone in their 50's with multiple kids than an elaborate troll.

    That being said, I'm way more "offended" than I probably should be. Just seems to be a lot of ass kissing, "Oh! You got us, Trent!".

    Done with this band and done with this board. I know, good riddance.
    Hm I don't think so, it's not some kind of joke, there really is a narrative, details tied to each other, meant to form a bigger picture, which puts those records into context. And there's whole act about considering the world, not just himself. That's one third of the trilogy. That's not extreme, BW is a conclusion, among others.

    Meanwhile, among the interviews, the music itself has hope. The end of Over and Out doesn't seem like and end in this way, there is still.. something. Everything is in phase. Feels bleak but alright.
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    "What the obsessives maybe don’t know is that if I were to explain everything to you, or just explicitly lay out what the new EP is about, you’d only be disappointed. You don’t really want to know. The experience of grappling with the thing is what makes it interesting, not the immediate gratification of going, “Oh, that’s what it means.”"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom View Post
    "What the obsessives maybe don’t know is that if I were to explain everything to you, or just explicitly lay out what the new EP is about, you’d only be disappointed. You don’t really want to know. The experience of grappling with the thing is what makes it interesting, not the immediate gratification of going, “Oh, that’s what it means.”"
    Related to this, I honestly feel like the whole point of the EP's/Trilogy was about making music interesting and challenging in terms of there being no clear answers. I mean, we're still trying to figure out Not The Actual Events and such and really give our time and appreciation to the music which is what makes music more fun and meaningful in the end. Like Trent was a superfan of Bowie, Pink Floyd etc he's trying to give us music that brings out the NIN superfan in us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piggy View Post
    I'm out of the collecting phase of my fandom.
    I've been feeling a little guilty that I'm no longer in my collecting phase either. I've been a little hermit crab lately, moving all over the bay area and had to downsize a lot of what I own. While I haven't given up anything from my collection, I haven't accumulated anything new either and my collections remain tightly sealed in a few boxes. This isn't just with NIN, but with my other favorite bands as well. I miss the thrill of collecting, but it's also a bit freeing not being bogged down by stuff. Streaming music has also helped quiet down my collector side. The last physical release I've purchased from any band was Add Violence. And I've replaced a few worn and torn NIN shirts/sweaters with a couple of new ones from the tour. But I don't have the super urge to buy one of everything anymore.

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    I'm Not From This World should have had spoken word lyrics or muffled, shouted lyrics in the background. It's a tremendous track but it's IMO unsettling to not hear TR's voice for basically 9 minutes on a 30-minute record.

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    God Break Down the Door is the best Nine Inch Nails single as of late . It's refreshing and sounds like a BEAST live. I love it. I liked Came Back Haunted just fine, but that David Lynch video made me enjoy it more since how bizarre and creepy it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by AThousandDaysBefore View Post
    I'm not a big fan of year zero album, I think i hate a little that album (Meet your master, The great destroyer, Me I''m not, Warning, Vessel)
    I really like the song everything
    You're not alone. Year Zero is just one I hardly ever love to revisit.

    Hell, Everything may be one of my favorite tracks off Hesitation Marks.

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    Yeah, I can kinda see from the heavy down votes for GBDTD on YouTube and the hate for Everything on here that sometimes people just hate NIN for not "sounding like NIN." For me, that's often my favorite NIN. I love GBDTD and Everything really grew on me along with all of HM, which didn't really win me over for quite a few listens. Most of it isn't immediate music, despite the beats

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pbgut View Post
    Yeah, I can kinda see from the heavy down votes for GBDTD on YouTube and the hate for Everything on here that sometimes people just hate NIN for not "sounding like NIN." For me, that's often my favorite NIN. I love GBDTD and Everything really grew on me along with all of HM, which didn't really win me over for quite a few listens. Most of it isn't immediate music, despite the beats
    Eh, GBDTD only has 7% downvotes on YT as of today. Also, I love Everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JessicaSarahS View Post
    I miss the thrill of collecting, but it's also a bit freeing not being bogged down by stuff.
    I get where you're coming from. I'm trying really hard to cut down on my "things" (and not buy new stuff)--way too much time spent managing/caring for stuff. I've been doing really good too in every category, except NIN. I bought way too much in Vegas. I feel like I fell of the wagon so to speak. But, it made/makes me happy so there's that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinspots View Post
    I get where you're coming from. I'm trying really hard to cut down on my "things" (and not buy new stuff)--way too much time spent managing/caring for stuff. I've been doing really good too in every category, except NIN. I bought way too much in Vegas. I feel like I fell of the wagon so to speak. But, it made/makes me happy so there's that.
    You made the right decision then! Not to get too off topic, but when I was decluttering, I followed the KonMari method. Keep everything that gives you a spark of joy and throw away/donate the rest. Made decision making way easier.

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    Is it controversial to say Iím waiting til tomorrow and havenít listened to the leak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Come_Reptile View Post
    Is it controversial to say I’m waiting til tomorrow and haven’t listened to the leak?
    i have my official download and i'm still waiting until i can listen to the vinyl because i'm that person.

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    Am I alone in this opinion?: Ahead of Ourselves is one of the most shitty song Trent ever put out. The vocal effects are just bad. Choruis could be interesting but is lacking something. All set on a generic rythm, which lacks passion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    i have my official download and i'm still waiting until i can listen to the vinyl because i'm that person.
    I waited for NTAE and AV vinyl to show before listening to the WAV purchases but this time I didn't. The vinyl has tended to sound quieter than the WAVs for the last two so I didn't feel bad diving right in before the physical showed up.

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