Controversial Nine Inch Nails opinions

[Conan The Barbarian]

I think if you like its jumpy vibe good for you. If not, kudos as well.

[Inkë]

I think he doesn't play it for the simple reason it doesn't sound well live.

[dlb]

edit: nvmnd

[Volband]

I think he doesn't play it for the simple reason it doesn't sound well live.

You don't just mistakenly include a song on your setlist.

[GlitchyFlame]

This is the best version of MOTP ever played, that climax is fucking insane. @3:45-4:16 I had no clue that Trent could still do that with his voice!

[tony.parente]

Which touring cycle? Tension?

Since Tension began.

[icecream]

Since Tension began.

The current setlists remind me of LITS for some reason, but shorter. Yeah, I have no idea why but for some reason that's what I think. I like the setlists by the way.

[Ryan]

You don't just mistakenly include a song on your setlist.

Yes, plus you can hear it being rehearsed in the background during one of the touring videos.

[Kyle]

The last paragraph of this interview in particular is very depressing, from 1999

http://www.theninhotline.net/archive.../xart130.shtml

"I sincerely don't believe that I'm on the verge of another travel down that horrible road, which would prevent me from doing anything. I feel very optimistic right now"
6 years later With Teeth is released

At the risk of giving Bill ammunition I present the following quote from that article without comment.

"I'm actually in the process of seeing if I can right now. We're rehearsing and I've got a new challenge in trying to play live material that's substantially more complex than in the past. When we played the MTV awards I needed two cellists and four backing vocalists on the stage, and I don't know if I want to go that way. I'm trying to find ways to execute them with integrity, but not turn into a bloated rock band. When was the last time you saw a rock band with backing singers that was cool?"

[m15a]

When was the last time you saw a rock band with backing singers that was cool?

Last year on the Tension tour. BOOM. Take that, 15-years-ago Trent!

[Kyle]

I think TR has painted himself into a corner with his music. He's spent his whole career talking primarily about himself, which when you're full of drugs and anger/rage/despair, is pretty interesting. When you're a well adjusted, middle aged, father figure type guy.. not so much..
I've said it in the past, but I think it'd be cool if he were to branch out and start writing about things that are NOT him, but are important to him..
Could breathe new life into the project

He did. It was called Year Zero. And it's awesome.

[Kyle]

Personally, I prefer no lights and just stripped down, raw, rare songs played. I'd be happy to see that at every show, but that's just me. The lighting stuff doesn't do anything for me really. Sure it looks cool, but the novelty wears off once its bound to certain songs. I prefer the idea of unpredictability in a set list and seeing things live for the first time, etc, etc. Again, just me.

its completely unpredictable if you don't read wikis and setlists before the show. In other words, the majority of the crowd.

Well, with one exception. Say what you will about how awesomely unpredictable Wave Goodbye was, but at the end of the WG show I was at, when the THTF/Hurt/HLAH section started it got predictable. Hurt started and I knew he was going to walk off stage afterwards. He came back and played Suck which was a surprise, but when DII started I knew it was going to be followed by THTF and HLAH. And there were a few song orders at other parts of the show that weren't exactly surprising. But if I didn't read any Tension setlists before the show I was at, the predictability level would be the exact same as it was for WG. That's why I think it makes sense to save those types of shows for the smaller intimate shows. Those are the ones that are going to be attended by the hardcore who have seen it all before.

[Kyle]

Last year on the Tension tour. BOOM. Take that, 15-years-ago Trent!

Ha!

to clarify.... I loved the backup singers and was glad I got to see a Tension show. But that quote was too ironic to pass up.

[howdidislipinto]

I hope Everything becomes a staple this summer. And I really do hope Trent is being honest when he says he isn't even aware/checking on online reactions to things, because it's all such nonsense. It's so temporary and unimportant. Remember how jarring Only seemed on With Teeth initially? And now it's just another song in the NIN canon.

[copy_of_b]

I hope Everything becomes a staple this summer. And I really do hope Trent is being honest when he says he isn't even aware/checking on online reactions to things, because it's all such nonsense. It's so temporary and unimportant. Remember how jarring Only seemed on With Teeth initially? And now it's just another song in the NIN canon.

Hell yeah, Everything will/would kick so much ass live. Really hope it premieres soon

[Kyle]

Hell yeah, Everything will/would kick so much ass live. Really hope it premieres soon

Your username made me lol.

[icecream]

You don't just mistakenly include a song on your setlist.

What show was it on the setlist for?

[Volband]

What show was it on the setlist for?

http://tapatalk.com/tapatalk_image.p...eTd1Mi5qcGc%3D

[icecream]

http://tapatalk.com/tapatalk_image.p...eTd1Mi5qcGc%3D

Whoa, craziness

[ComradeCornhole]

Does anyone else feel that, despite its obvious elegance and beauty, AATCHB is one of TR's more... derivative and less original songs? I've been thinking about it in the context of what he said at some point about TPD being a little too obvious in terms of being a representation of his influences at the time, and that being why it's not one of his favorites. Aside from the (probably more likely) possibility that AATCHB taps into a headspace in which he doesn't care to dwell live, could it rather/also be that he feels it's a little too representative of his musical influences. As I've said, it's a perfectly lovely tune; it just never managed to seduce me the way it did so many others. Has TR ever commented on it?

[sheepdean]

I don't recall TR ever mentioning the song, period.

On topic of the song, I disagree on every level, but that's what this thread's for :P

[ghost in the machine]

Last year on the Tension tour. BOOM. Take that, 15-years-ago Trent!

A well produced show, yes. Cool?...

[Kyle]

A well produced show, yes. Cool?...

Also yes

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[ophelia_]

The last paragraph of this interview in particular is very depressing, from 1999

http://www.theninhotline.net/archive.../xart130.shtml

"I sincerely don't believe that I'm on the verge of another travel down that horrible road, which would prevent me from doing anything. I feel very optimistic right now"
6 years later With Teeth is released

I love this part of the above interview: "When was the last time you saw a rock band with backing singers that was cool?"

Lol.

[Ryan]

I don't recall TR ever mentioning the song, period.

There was a question asked at one point in the Access section of nin.com when they asked if (I'm pretty sure it was these three songs) would be played: Last, WITT and AATCHB.

Trent's response was: "yes, maybe, yes"

I probably got that mixed up a bit, but he definitely said "yes" to AATCHB. Whichever one he said "maybe" to has been played, while AATCHB still remains to be seen. :/

[sheepdean]

Just checked Access archive and it's not there, maybe it was in Spiral?

[Ryan]

Just checked Access archive and it's not there, maybe it was in Spiral?

Quite possibly, yes.

Is there an archive of Spiral responses?

Speaking of Access, I updated the My Dead Friend page:

http://www.ninwiki.com/My_Dead_Friend

[WorzelG]

^^^So did message to noone become the Great Destroyer then? or am I being too literal here
[Mes]sage to no one
In particular»
And guess what?
Nobody loves you
Nobody cares
I was sent here to give you this mess[age]
Oh, thats right
You're different
Different than the rest
I forgot
I forgot
Well fuck you
And fuck fitting in to your scene
Fuck what you think
Oh yeah
Well I'm king of the world
The world that I'm destroying
Big chunks at a time
I am the destroyer of worlds
You watch and see
You watch and see

[sheepdean]

I fear we're veering wildly off topic, but I would be surprised if any of those tracks ended up on YZ in the end, aside from Vessel none of them could have been written with anything but the YZ universe in mind. Maybe Trent's idea for the next album was something different at that point.

[EndlessLoveless]

I fear we're veering wildly off topic, but I would be surprised if any of those tracks ended up on YZ in the end, aside from Vessel none of them could have been written with anything but the YZ universe in mind. Maybe Trent's idea for the next album was something different at that point.

Why vessel? Lyrical content? Just curious.