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    We're in This Together, that's a choice you don't see for #1 often, but it's a good video nonetheless. For me, it's probably Closer - I haven't really thought about it. I do really like the March of the Pigs video. It's pretty simple, but it's an awesome live performance.

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    https://metalinjection.net/news/what...group-tapeworm

    Charlie Clouser: "We have a lot of recordings from that time, but they're not ready, they're in no fit state to release.."

    Apologies in advance for being that asshole, but..
    I call 100% bullshit on this. You had Trent, MJK, Phil, Page, Danny, Charlie, Toni Halliday, Alan Moulder, Atticus, Jaz Coleman (allegedly) and fuck knows who else working on this thing and yet virtually none of it was fit for release? But projects made on lunch breaks like Things Falling Apart, The Slip and Ghosts I-IV are? Please..

    Mind you, I'm not knocking the Slip or Ghosts; they're both perfectly enjoyable and I love them for what they are. But I highly doubt there's one person on these boards that, if the Tapeworm stuff that "just isn't up to snuff" were to leak, would say "Yea, this is horrible. Was not worth the wait or the hype and I wish I'd never heard this.."

    Quite the contrary, I'd be willing to bet..

    One day this shit is going to leak. It has to. And we'll all be grateful to the high heavens that it did. You'll see..

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    controversial opinion: i don't give a shit about tapeworm and i wish everyone would just shut the fuck up about it

    TR (+AR) have given us so much music, some of which we thought we would never hear, and yet people still find things to complain about in the realm of unreleased material. if an artist (or a group of artists) doesn't feel like something they've done is finished enough for public consumption, that's 100% their prerogative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    controversial opinion: i don't give a shit about tapeworm and i wish everyone would just shut the fuck up about it

    TR (+AR) have given us so much music, some of which we thought we would never hear, and yet people still find things to complain about in the realm of unreleased material. if an artist (or a group of artists) doesn't feel like something they've done is finished enough for public consumption, that's 100% their prerogative.
    Unfortunately for you, I'll never shut the fuck up about it. But I usually don't bring it up unless, for instance, one of the actual band members involved in the project starts talking about all this unreleased stuff that's just collecting dust somewhere on a shelf, that's probably way better than they'll give it credit for. Passive and Potions and Skin of a Drum, anyone..?

    Yes, Trent has given us a flood of new music in the past 15 years, to the point where people are tired of the endless stream of scores and can't discern the subtle brilliance of each. I'll never kick that shit out of bed. Dude could release a new score every week and I'd still want more..

    It's totally up to them if they don't feel Tapeworm is worthy of mass consumption. If Martin Atkins will sell the PHM demo tape for $20K on Facebook, Tapeworm will leak one day. And I'm sure you'll be right there with me proclaiming it as some deep masterful shit that should have came out in 2004.. *high-five*

    I've said my piece. Now I'll shut the fuck up about it. Until Charlie or Danny or someone here utters the magic word again like Candyman into the shit mirror..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettybrokenspiral View Post
    projects made on lunch breaks like Things Falling Apart, The Slip and Ghosts I-IV...

    Mind you, I'm not knocking the Slip or Ghosts; they're both perfectly enjoyable and I love them for what they are.
    I think you may have missed one.

    Things Falling Apart is my favourite NIN album.

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    The only stuff I care about with Tapeworm are the Phil Anselmo songs and the rumored Dave Gahan songs. Maynard doing his circa 2002/2003 APC crooning doesn't get me excited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katara View Post
    I think you may have missed one.

    Things Falling Apart is my favourite NIN album.
    It's not as terrible as people tend to make it out to be. Did we really need a remix album with three versions of Starfuckers while "lots of recordings" from an NIN/Tool/Pantera/Depeche Mode supergroup languish in a vault somewhere? And is it as exhilarating as FDTS or Fixed..?

    To some, perhaps..

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    There are three versions of Starfuckers only because they were going to make a single with Halo # of it, which got killed.

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    They fucked up on Things Falling Apart by leaving off the Hillebrandt remixes of 'No You Don't' and 'The Fragile' and instead those songs were relegated to mp3 purgatory

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    Quote Originally Posted by fillow View Post
    There are three versions of Starfuckers only because they were going to make a single with Halo # of it, which got killed.
    There's a little too much "Starfuckers," yes. But in all honesty, I don't see Things Falling Apart as a bad release. In fact, if you dropped the first two remixes*, I'd say the thing was a brilliant little mini-album. I actually played it a lot back in the day.


    *Not because they're bad, they're just a bit excessive in such a small space. But one could probably argue the same for "Self-Destruction, Final."

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    I've been revisiting all NIN releases including the remix albums, which I usually don't care for and I gotta say I actually liked most of Things Falling Apart. I liked most of the tracks featured unlike Further Down the Spiral or Fixed where I only like one or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fillow View Post
    There are three versions of Starfuckers only because they were going to make a single with Halo # of it, which got killed.
    Iíve never understood why TR decided just to call all three (Version) without differentiating them in any way on the printed track listing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erneuert View Post
    I’ve never understood why TR decided just to call all three (Version) without differentiating them in any way on the printed track listing.
    That’s just the styling of that particular record—all the remixes are just parenthetically titled “(version)”—and, I think, in some ways a germ of the Nine Inch Nails glitch/coding idiom that’s been rolling along since the Fragile era, i.e., “Fragility_1.0”, “[WITH_TEETH]”. I don’t really know what to call it, but I feel like we all know what I’m talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesquipedalism View Post
    That’s just the styling of that particular record—all the remixes are just parenthetically titled “(version)”—and, I think, in some ways a germ of the Nine Inch Nails glitch/coding idiom that’s been rolling along since the Fragile era, i.e., “Fragility_1.0”, “[WITH_TEETH]”. I don’t really know what to call it, but I feel like we all know what I’m talking about.
    True. But given they are duplicates I think they should have at least been called (Version 1), 2 and 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erneuert View Post
    True. But given they are duplicates I think they should have at least been called (Version 1), 2 and 3.
    That’s what I’m saying, I think the lack of specifying detail is 100% deliberate—after all, it’s not like he had to worry about distinguishing one from the other on iPods or streaming services at that point. If, in 2000, you wanted to specify one, you could either add the name of the remixer or the track number.

    EDIT: I also think that “Version 1” sort of reads as lazy—at that point, just give the remix a fun name. Whereas, in a tracklist of “version,” the lack of identifier reads as an artistic decision for flavor. One that, as you prove, doesn’t work for everyone, but is nonetheless flavor-imparting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    They fucked up on Things Falling Apart by leaving off the Hillebrandt remixes of 'No You Don't' and 'The Fragile' and instead those songs were relegated to mp3 purgatory
    I agree with this. The Fragile (deconstructed) is better than the original, in my opinion. La Mer (version) was also pretty good.

    Would fucking love a Things Falling Apart deluxe edition with those three songs, The New Flesh (version), Even Deeper (Love Dub), and the Untitled song from the website either added in or put on a bonus disc. Give some more material to Josh Eustis and you basically have a second album right there. At the very least, the mp3 exclusives should be released in some kind of high quality format.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettybrokenspiral View Post
    ....But projects made on lunch breaks like Things Falling Apart, The Slip and Ghosts I-IV are? Please...
    While The Slip was made quickly, I get the feeling it was worked quite intensely, rather than just a thing on "lunch breaks" just because something was made under certain time limit doesn't mean it got little attention, I know you are saying those albums are good the way they are but I don't reallyl ike the implication as if they were an after-thought or smaller records or something like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by HWB View Post
    While The Slip was made quickly, I get the feeling it was worked quite intensely, rather than just a thing on "lunch breaks" just because something was made under certain time limit doesn't mean it got little attention, I know you are saying those albums are good the way they are but I don't reallyl ike the implication as if they were an after-thought or smaller records or something like that
    One would think that twelve years would allow for some perspective on The Slip. The time constraint was a construction tool just like strings and The Fragile or the laptop-centric, late-night build-out of Hesitation Marks. If it’s not your thing, it’s not. But speed of production doesn’t equal slipshod results (Zeppelin I, Black Sabbath, White Light/White Heat), nor vice-versa—Chinese Democracy, we see you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettybrokenspiral View Post
    https://metalinjection.net/news/what...group-tapeworm

    Charlie Clouser: "We have a lot of recordings from that time, but they're not ready, they're in no fit state to release.."

    Apologies in advance for being that asshole, but..
    I call 100% bullshit on this. You had Trent, MJK, Phil, Page, Danny, Charlie, Toni Halliday, Alan Moulder, Atticus, Jaz Coleman (allegedly) and fuck knows who else working on this thing and yet virtually none of it was fit for release? But projects made on lunch breaks like Things Falling Apart, The Slip and Ghosts I-IV are? Please..

    Mind you, I'm not knocking the Slip or Ghosts; they're both perfectly enjoyable and I love them for what they are. But I highly doubt there's one person on these boards that, if the Tapeworm stuff that "just isn't up to snuff" were to leak, would say "Yea, this is horrible. Was not worth the wait or the hype and I wish I'd never heard this.."

    Quite the contrary, I'd be willing to bet..

    One day this shit is going to leak. It has to. And we'll all be grateful to the high heavens that it did. You'll see..
    A) how likely is it that it was stored in those Universal vaults that burned up?

    B) if it were stored locally, like in Trent's studio, I imagine the wait will be a long time.

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    C) In the dumpster with the rest of Charlie's gear from Nothing Studios

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    Quote Originally Posted by HWB View Post
    While The Slip was made quickly, I get the feeling it was worked quite intensely, rather than just a thing on "lunch breaks" just because something was made under certain time limit doesn't mean it got little attention, I know you are saying those albums are good the way they are but I don't reallyl ike the implication as if they were an after-thought or smaller records or something like that
    There was considerably less thought put into them.

    Ghosts was spontaneous and made without overthinking anything and just evolved into what it did over the span of about two months. The Slip was banged out with the entire live band at the time involved in a matter of three weeks, start to finish. Both have a considerable amount of filler on them, even if itís perfectly good filler..

    Thatís why they both go down a lot easier than his other stuff, too. If Hesitation Marks or The Ghosts6 In The Window were made on that short a timeframe, they wouldnít be as challenging either..

    Ghosts I-IV and The Slip are most definitely smaller in scale, and they sound like it as well. Theyíre basically a dry run for what came after as far as his score work, Hes Marks and the EP trilogy. Neither collection is bad; far from it, in my opinion. But you can definitely tell they were banged out in a few weeks time, warts and all..

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    Man, I wish I'd be able to bang out a song like Head Down in three weeks.

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    They were first talking about Tapeworm about 1996 or so, until TR announced it was finally dead in 2004, correct? That's eight years — which is about how long it just took the Rolling Stones to do one new song. And we've heard three ("Passive", "Potions", "Starfuckers", maybe more) that had roots in the project. So that's roughly three times more productive than Mick and Keith, man!! Tapeworm > Glimmer Twins!

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