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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    Also, it seems like a lot of fans are stuck in their angsty teenage years, and they think Trent & Atticus should deliver something to appease that. Maybe the problem isn't Trent & Atticus. Maybe it's the fans who need to mature. After all, there's music beyond HARD RAWKKK!!!
    I think this is overly simplistic. Just because I don't enjoy Bad Witch onward doesn't mean I'm any less mature...it's just not what I'm looking for in music from NIN. I get tired of people equating not enjoying newer material with lack of maturity; I think that's some bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnetic View Post
    Just because I don't enjoy Bad Witch onward doesn't mean I'm any less mature...it's just not what I'm looking for in music from NIN.
    I'm not talking about people like you. I'm talking about Mr or Mrs. "I Haven't Like A NIN Release Since [insert angsty NIN album here]". There's way too many fans who are stuck on default mode and believe Trent & Atticus should be as well, despite the fact that they've shown that they don't care about that sort of thing. They'll zig and zag and do what they want, and it may not please everyone, but it's not meant to. Rather than complain about it, those fans should just say "c'est la vie". Unfortunately, that would leave them without something to complain about, so they pine for the "old days" that are never going to come again because it gives them some sort of purpose.

    I'll say it again: the entitlement of fans is what bothers me the most. The fact that fans think they are owed something that's just for them simply because they liked something else an artist put out is what's silly to me. You're free to dislike something, but you're not OWED anything, and you can choose to leave whenever you want. That's something a lot of fans need to come to terms with. People change and grow and follow the things that interest them, and that's especially true of artists. Why should Trent & Atticus stand still? So some guy who rocks his Downward Spiral t-shirt on the regular won't shit on their next album? Give me a break.

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    Yah, I hear you. I guess I just tune out the Whiny Bitch Brigade.

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    The complainers in here seem to be the ones that can’t handle others not-so-popular opinions. There’s some (not many!) who want to say “it’s not the 90s anymore, get over it, why are you even still here?” My personal rebuttal to that is TR/AR have been making similar type of music (soundtrack/NIN/HTDA) for nearly a dozen years now. It’s a bit stale at this point.

    Why am I still here? Easy. There’s still some good tunes they churn out from time to time, treat the fans excellent (for the most part), and rarely disappoint live. NIN is still one of the best live bands no matter what era someone prefers.

    BRos- seriously, stop flaming the fire. It’s tiring and not sure what you’re attempting to prove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    My personal rebuttal to that is TR/AR have been making similar type of music (soundtrack/NIN/HTDA) for nearly a dozen years now. Itís a bit stale at this point.
    So don't listen to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    BRos- seriously, stop flaming the fire. Itís tiring and not sure what youíre attempting to prove.
    Oh, are you talking to me, O Mighty Blocker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    So don't listen to it.



    Oh, are you talking to me, O Mighty Blocker?
    Get a life, asshole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    Get a life, asshole.


    Let's move on, shall we? My current controversial opinion is that there needs to be a serious overhaul in terms of how NIN music is released. With the amount of glitches and other issues that have happened the past couple years, it's high time that someone takes a deep look into how to improve upon the current model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katara View Post
    100% agree. His voice is robotic, almost completely devoid of emotion. This isn't an age thing; Bowie was 69 when he died (Cash was 71), yet Blackstar is full of passion.
    Quote Originally Posted by WorzelG View Post
    yeah, I donít really hear the emotion in his voice everyone talks about, he sings it in generic deep Cash voice. I think they imbue that from the video which seems like people suddenly realising Ďold people dieí.
    I totally agree. His voice sounds the same in virtually everything he sings. Which is fine, I assume, if you like that voice. But 95% of the heightened pathos comes from the striking Romanek video. I'd be fascinated to see unbiased results from people who weren't preexisting Cash fans about the song, regarding who likes what and how much correlated with who has and has not seen the video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    Let's move on, shall we? My current controversial opinion is that there needs to be a serious overhaul in terms of how NIN music is released. With the amount of glitches and other issues that have happened the past couple years, it's high time that someone takes a deep look into how to improve upon the current model.
    Who in the world would find that controversial?
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    Here's another one from me: Despite really liking a lot of the tracks, I don't find the three EPs particularly listenable as individual records. I keep wanting to assemble them into a semi-sensible, semi-cohesive playlist order so I can listen to them as one album, even though we all know now that that's not how they were intended. I just feel like they might be more enjoyable to me that way. Anyone feel the same way or have any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesquipedalism View Post
    Here's another one from me: Despite really liking a lot of the tracks, I don't find the three EPs particularly listenable as individual records. I keep wanting to assemble them into a semi-sensible, semi-cohesive playlist order so I can listen to them as one album, even though we all know now that that's not how they were intended. I just feel like they might be more enjoyable to me that way. Anyone feel the same way or have any suggestions?
    There are some playlists and shit in here:
    https://www.echoingthesound.org/comm...order-theories

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    "I Haven't Like A NIN Release Since [insert angsty NIN album here]".
    Sooo which album w/ vocals does NOT fall into that category?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    The complainers in here seem to be the ones that can’t handle others not-so-popular opinions. There’s some (not many!) who want to say “it’s not the 90s anymore, get over it, why are you even still here?” My personal rebuttal to that is TR/AR have been making similar type of music (soundtrack/NIN/HTDA) for nearly a dozen years now. It’s a bit stale at this point.
    In my opinion, this isn't really true. I feel that there is incredible amount of diversity and "stale" isn't the word at all I'd imagine being used here. Especially with NIN side of things, each release no matter what era has been incredibly diverse, The Trilogy especially explored ideas which the band has never done, incredibly refreshing!
    I do not mean to take away your reasoning, but I just cannot personally imagine ever finding NIN stale, especially lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesquipedalism View Post
    Here's another one from me: Despite really liking a lot of the tracks, I don't find the three EPs particularly listenable as individual records. I keep wanting to assemble them into a semi-sensible, semi-cohesive playlist order so I can listen to them as one album, even though we all know now that that's not how they were intended. I just feel like they might be more enjoyable to me that way. Anyone feel the same way or have any suggestions?
    Trent actually said that the EPs are meant to be listened together as an album, imagine The Trilogy as an entire album seperated into three records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r_z View Post
    Sooo which album w/ vocals does NOT fall into that category?
    Judging from fan comments, anything after With Teeth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    Judging from fan comments, anything after With Teeth.
    That's hilarious, it was considered Trent's album when he lost it and now these fans see it as the "last good album", let's wait like a few more years when Year Zero will get that claim by these type of fans.

    I can confirm this is the case of them saying With_Teeth being the last good record, I adore With_Teeth but it is quite humorous.

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    I don't know what fans you guys are talking about - so they still come to these boards even though they supposedly didn't like anything after With Teeth which was released 15 years ago? Personally Hesitation Marks was the last album that had songs on it that I really got into and could enjoy after repeated listens. NIN hasn't released anything since then that blew me away like hearing "Copy of A" for the first time when it was streamed live and Trent walked out on stage and started playing his keyboard and then the rest of the band started to join him and it got more and more intense - that was special and Came Back Haunted sounded very new and fresh to me when it was released. Nothing on the EPs did that for me. I didn't mind The Idea of You - but I thought it just sounded oddly like something off With Teeth or Year Zero (and I found out this year that The Idea of You is a leftover from With Teeth). Less Than was the first NIN single that I thought was pretty weak and didn't like. Shit Mirror and Ahead of Ourselves were alright but not something I'd want to listen to all the time. And now the latest Ghosts releases don't have anything I find enjoyable to listen to at all.

    I bought the Quake CD ROM back in 1996 when I was scouring every music store for Halos and NIN bootlegs and the only thing I liked on there was the theme song. I didn't get any enjoyment from listening to the other tracks on there - they were just background noise for a video game to me, just like film scores are background noise for films, nothing that I'd want to listen to without something visual to watch. I met some Star Wars fans that drive around in their cars listening to the John Williams Star Wars film scores - I'm a huge Star Wars fan and collect a lot of Star Wars stuff and the scores are great when you are watching the movies but I would never in a million years drive around in my car listening to a fucking Star Wars film score.

    I did buy the first couple of TR/AR film scores when they still had rock and roll type instrumentals on them and I was quite proud of Trent for getting into film work, but they all started to sound the same to me as they began churning them out. I was quite worried that Trent was going to run out of new sounds to make and cool riffs for Nine Inch Nails. His albums used to sound fresh and you wondered "how did he make that sound?" Oh well, maybe the next NIN release will be back on track or they'll go jazz or country, but please, anything but ambient film scores...keep that released under TR/AR so I don't get my hopes up and can ignore it if it sounds like the past 10-11 scores, there is quite enough ambient work released as TR/AR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HWB View Post
    Trent actually said that the EPs are meant to be listened together as an album, imagine The Trilogy as an entire album seperated into three records.
    I was almost positive he said the exact opposite? Do you know where he said this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishtifer View Post
    I don't know what fans you guys are talking about - so they still come to these boards even though they supposedly didn't like anything after With Teeth which was released 15 years ago? Personally Hesitation Marks was the last album that had songs on it that I really got into and could enjoy after repeated listens. NIN hasn't released anything since then that blew me away like hearing "Copy of A" for the first time when it was streamed live and Trent walked out on stage and started playing his keyboard and then the rest of the band started to join him and it got more and more intense - that was special and Came Back Haunted sounded very new and fresh to me when it was released. Nothing on the EPs did that for me. I didn't mind The Idea of You - but I thought it just sounded oddly like something off With Teeth or Year Zero (and I found out this year that The Idea of You is a leftover from With Teeth). Less Than was the first NIN single that I thought was pretty weak and didn't like. Shit Mirror and Ahead of Ourselves were alright but not something I'd want to listen to all the time. And now the latest Ghosts releases don't have anything I find enjoyable to listen to at all.

    I bought the Quake CD ROM back in 1996 when I was scouring every music store for Halos and NIN bootlegs and the only thing I liked on there was the theme song. I didn't get any enjoyment from listening to the other tracks on there - they were just background noise for a video game to me, just like film scores are background noise for films, nothing that I'd want to listen to without something visual to watch. I met some Star Wars fans that drive around in their cars listening to the John Williams Star Wars film scores - I'm a huge Star Wars fan and collect a lot of Star Wars stuff and the scores are great when you are watching the movies but I would never in a million years drive around in my car listening to a fucking Star Wars film score.

    I did buy the first couple of TR/AR film scores when they still had rock and roll type instrumentals on them and I was quite proud of Trent for getting into film work, but they all started to sound the same to me as they began churning them out. I was quite worried that Trent was going to run out of new sounds to make and cool riffs for Nine Inch Nails. His albums used to sound fresh and you wondered "how did he make that sound?" Oh well, maybe the next NIN release will be back on track or they'll go jazz or country, but please, anything but ambient film scores...keep that released under TR/AR so I don't get my hopes up and can ignore it if it sounds like the past 10-11 scores, there is quite enough ambient work released as TR/AR.
    You should give the Watchmen soundtracks a try. Not ambient, very diverse, and alot of bold experiments on there. If you were into Social Network but then fell off, this is pretty close to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesquipedalism View Post
    I was almost positive he said the exact opposite? Do you know where he said this?
    Kerrang interviews!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesquipedalism View Post
    I was almost positive he said the exact opposite? Do you know where he said this?
    Also another thing to support this is the official Spotify playlist from NIN which has the three records in their order, which is another hint of how they'd prefer you to listen to them.
    https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5L...u9WZATkSO6avKR

    They've been also speculating before Bad Witch release to re-release all of them as one release with small possible changes, I would still love to see this, but we will have to see!

    Either way, there is a reason why it may feel weird to listen to Add Violence alone without NTAE before it and Bad Witch after it.

    The way Trent explained it, is that The Trilogy are albums seperated into three arcs. You know how Downward Spiral pretty much has three arcs to it as well? I think it goes like this

    I arc
    "Mr Self Destruct"
    "Piggy"
    "Heresy"
    "March Of The Pigs"
    "Closer"


    II arc
    "Ruiner"
    "The Becoming"
    "I Do Not Want This
    "Big Man With A Gun"


    III final arc
    "A Warm Place"
    "Eraser
    "Reptile"
    "The Downward Spiral"
    "Hurt
    "

    The Trilogy is on album with each arc having its own record! They do indeed float into one another really well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post
    You should give the Watchmen soundtracks a try. Not ambient, very diverse, and alot of bold experiments on there. If you were into Social Network but then fell off, this is pretty close to that.
    Agreed on this - someone earlier in this thread lumped Watchmen in with the other scores and I’m ‘no’, Watchmen is really different. There’s a great interview with Damon Lindelof here where he talks about the score at about 13 mins in. I honestly think there may be at least an Emmy nomination for this. Saying that Watchmen is an ambient droney score and like all the others (which I also think is wrong), isn’t just a subjective opinion, it’s objectively wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishtifer View Post
    I don't know what fans you guys are talking about - so they still come to these boards even though they supposedly didn't like anything after With Teeth which was released 15 years ago?
    Yep. They may not be the majority, but they exist.

    I didn't mind The Idea of You - but I thought it just sounded oddly like something off With Teeth or Year Zero (and I found out this year that The Idea of You is a leftover from With Teeth).
    That still hasn't been confirmed.

    As for the instrumental/ambient side of Nine Inch Nails? That's always been a part of Trent (and now Atticus)'s music. It's nothing new, it's just that now they have the freedom to explore it as much as possible because they don't have to appeal to a record label or MTV. In my opinion, ever since Trent & Atticus did The Social Network score, they've had this creative flow of energy that's pretty exciting to witness. Between Nine Inch Nails, How To Destroy Angels, film scores, and various other projects, they've been on a creative roll, and I think that's really cool. Does everything they put out appeal to everyone? Fuck no, but Nine Inch Nails was never about that either. I mean, consider how many fans dropped off after The Fragile came out because it wasn't The Downward Spiral. Is it any different now? You don't have to get it for it to be just as valid as what they put out before. That's what's kind of annoying about this snobby, dismissive attitude that some fans have towards their film scores and ambient music. It's this idea that it's somehow beneath Trent & Atticus to create that kind of music, as if everything they make should go hard or go home.

    I don't know. Maybe it's just because I listen to a lot of different genres, but I can appreciate both sides of the same coin. I don't feel like I have to settle for something like Ghosts because it feels just as vital in its intent as those other, harder albums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post
    You should give the Watchmen soundtracks a try. Not ambient, very diverse, and alot of bold experiments on there. If you were into Social Network but then fell off, this is pretty close to that.
    Thanks for the suggestion - I did check out the Watchmen soundtracks and I even saved a good 10 or so songs that I liked but after a couple of listens it wasn't something I wanted to listen to very often. It's been a month or two now, I'll have to give them another spin. I collect the tracks I like from all these film scores into one "Best of TR/AR" playlist but I didn't find anything on Waves or Together and Locusts to add. Watchmen didn't fit it and has it's own playlist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishtifer View Post
    I don't know what fans you guys are talking about - so they still come to these boards even though they supposedly didn't like anything after With Teeth which was released 15 years ago? Personally Hesitation Marks was the last album that had songs on it that I really got into and could enjoy after repeated listens. NIN hasn't released anything since then that blew me away like hearing "Copy of A" for the first time when it was streamed live and Trent walked out on stage and started playing his keyboard and then the rest of the band started to join him and it got more and more intense - that was special and Came Back Haunted sounded very new and fresh to me when it was released. Nothing on the EPs did that for me. I didn't mind The Idea of You - but I thought it just sounded oddly like something off With Teeth or Year Zero (and I found out this year that The Idea of You is a leftover from With Teeth). Less Than was the first NIN single that I thought was pretty weak and didn't like. Shit Mirror and Ahead of Ourselves were alright but not something I'd want to listen to all the time. And now the latest Ghosts releases don't have anything I find enjoyable to listen to at all.

    I bought the Quake CD ROM back in 1996 when I was scouring every music store for Halos and NIN bootlegs and the only thing I liked on there was the theme song. I didn't get any enjoyment from listening to the other tracks on there - they were just background noise for a video game to me, just like film scores are background noise for films, nothing that I'd want to listen to without something visual to watch. I met some Star Wars fans that drive around in their cars listening to the John Williams Star Wars film scores - I'm a huge Star Wars fan and collect a lot of Star Wars stuff and the scores are great when you are watching the movies but I would never in a million years drive around in my car listening to a fucking Star Wars film score.

    I did buy the first couple of TR/AR film scores when they still had rock and roll type instrumentals on them and I was quite proud of Trent for getting into film work, but they all started to sound the same to me as they began churning them out. I was quite worried that Trent was going to run out of new sounds to make and cool riffs for Nine Inch Nails. His albums used to sound fresh and you wondered "how did he make that sound?" Oh well, maybe the next NIN release will be back on track or they'll go jazz or country, but please, anything but ambient film scores...keep that released under TR/AR so I don't get my hopes up and can ignore it if it sounds like the past 10-11 scores, there is quite enough ambient work released as TR/AR.
    For whatever it's worth this is a rare instance where someone compliments Hesitation Marks as refreshing! And I am happy to hear that, I adore that album it is nice to see it get some love one way or another!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HWB View Post
    For whatever it's worth this is a rare instance where someone compliments Hesitation Marks as refreshing! And I am happy to hear that, I adore that album it is nice to see it get some love one way or another!
    Really? I quite liked that album. I even have space in my heart for “Everything.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by HWB View Post
    For whatever it's worth this is a rare instance where someone compliments Hesitation Marks as refreshing! And I am happy to hear that, I adore that album it is nice to see it get some love one way or another!
    This reminds me that HM was the last NIN album to get any sort of mainstream push and there was an actual thread that went on for ages suggesting it was ludicrous it didn’t beat ARIANA GRANDE on the billboard charts, ha ha.

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    I have long championed Hesitation Marks on these forums. People dunk on that album because it's Trent actually doing something new with the NIN sonic palette instead of making With Even More Teeth or The Slip Again. Remember when The Slip came out and all those people bitched about how it "didn't flow" and couldn't figure out if it wanted to be industrial dance-rock NIN or ambient? I'm sure Trent brooded over such things and just couldn't decide during that massive 8-day creation process he spent on that album, or whatever it was..

    I'm glad he went in the direction he did with Hes Marks and made this super-weird, understated but multi-layered chillwave NIN album that people listened to one time and decided was trash. Had they stuck around and let it sink in some, they'd realize it's basically the album Massive Attack has failed to follow up Mezzanine with for the better part of 25 years now..

    Trent was definitely in a more subdued headspace in 2013; that's why Hes Marks and Welcome Oblivion sound like sibling albums. Hes Marks has great stuff on it, especially with good headphones. Check your iPhone equalizer or your turntable rig if it sounds like ass to you. Copy of A, Hau-Hau-Haunted, Find My Way, All Time Low, While I'm Still Here, Various Methods of Escape...it's just one grooving banger after another on that album. The gospel singers on the tour were a little much for my taste in NIN, but the songs sounded great live. Guess you had to have been there..

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    Whats strange to me is how HM shines on the production side with all that pulsating synth stuff and Pino basslines, but is a bit stale in terms of arrangement and plays it safe to often on how your typical NIN song is structured. It feels a bit like WT with how the styles are all over the place and sports some fat that should have better been trimmed (the intro or the last 23 minutes of Came Back Haunted). What's really bothering me though is how I'm not able to buy into the stuff TRs singing about - the whole narrative he made up about him in the TDS days and whatnot. It kinda seems like he ran out of things to say at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettybrokenspiral View Post
    I have long championed Hesitation Marks on these forums. People dunk on that album because it's Trent actually doing something new with the NIN sonic palette instead of making With Even More Teeth or The Slip Again. . .

    I'm glad he went in the direction he did with Hes Marks and made this super-weird, understated but multi-layered chillwave NIN album that people listened to one time and decided was trash. Had they stuck around and let it sink in some, they'd realize it's basically the album Massive Attack has failed to follow up Mezzanine with for the better part of 25 years now..

    Trent was definitely in a more subdued headspace in 2013; that's why Hes Marks and Welcome Oblivion sound like sibling albums.

    I feel the same way. That album hit me harder than anything since The Fragile. I don't really dig "Running" and "Everyday" but the rest of that album is gold to me. The sounds and approach on most of those songs are what I wanted (and selfishly expected) from NIN. The end of CBH is unnecessary and goofy with the vocals/lyrics but the musical buildup and layers are amazing. I like the trilogy and I love some of those songs (She's Gone Away, The Background World, Less Than) equally as much as my favorite HM material but the trilogy is pulling more from a wider scope and theme.

    I also feel the same about Welcome to Oblivion and HTDA in general. That shit is what I wanted since The Fragile. I fucking love HTDA.

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