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    I forgot how much I loved 34 Ghosts IV till all this Old Town Road got it in the news again. Although I prefer the second half of the song where the guitar cuts in (at least I assume itís a guitar, you never know). Didnít it either win or get nominated for an instrumental Grammy too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorzelG View Post
    I forgot how much I loved 34 Ghosts IV till all this Old Town Road got it in the news again. Although I prefer the second half of the song where the guitar cuts in (at least I assume itís a guitar, you never know). Didnít it either win or get nominated for an instrumental Grammy too?
    2009; "Peaches en Regalia" won:

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    Best Rock Instrumental Performance
    (For solo, duo, group or collaborative performances, without vocals. Includes Rock, Hard Rock and Metal. Singles or Tracks only.)

    • Castellorizon
      David Gilmour
      Track from: Live In Gdansk
      [Columbia]
    • Suicide & Redemption
      Metallica
      Track from: Death Magnetic
      [Warner Bros.]
    • 34 Ghosts I-IV
      Nine Inch Nails
      Track from: Ghosts I-IV
      [The Null Corporation]
    • Hope (Live For The Art Of Peace)
      Rush
      Track from: Songs For Tibet: The Art Of Peace
      [Art of Peace Foundation]
    • Peaches En Regalia
      Zappa Plays Zappa
      [Strobosonic/Razor & Tie Entertainment]

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    Wow, I don’t remember that.

    What seperates 34 from the rest of Ghosts? I never thought too highly of it or that it stood out in any way. Not a huge fan of Ghosts but there’s definitely some cool moments, just never thought 34 was one of them. Pretty bland IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    Wow, I don’t remember that.

    What seperates 34 from the rest of Ghosts? I never thought too highly of it or that it stood out in any way. Not a huge fan of Ghosts but there’s definitely some cool moments, just never thought 34 was one of them. Pretty bland IMHO.
    Yeah, I thought 31 Ghosts would’ve gotten nominated.

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    34 Ghosts IV is the longest track on the album, and it also goes through a couple different instrumental shifts as it progresses. It's not an obvious choice, but I can see why it would get nominated.

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    Something I Can Never Have (NBK) is better than the album version

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdean View Post
    Something I Can Never Have (NBK) is better than the album version
    I sort of agree. Not that it's too different, but the piano that's added at the end is fucking brilliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdean View Post
    Something I Can Never Have (NBK) is better than the album version
    Quote Originally Posted by fillow View Post
    I sort of agree. Not that it's too different, but the piano that's added at the end is fucking brilliant.
    i also feel like the film dialogue really works well

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    There is not a song on this planet that is better than album version SICNH..

    Except maybe Hurt live w/ David Bowie..

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    I'd seriously love to hear an edit of SICNH without the dialogue but with the NBK ending added to the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadaloo View Post
    I'd seriously love to hear an edit of SICNH without the dialogue but with the NBK ending added to the end.
    Made just for you.

    https://mega.nz/#F!tZ8SQKLA!OqAdJvBLQpfCroxoQ0Jcdg

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    Quote Originally Posted by zecho View Post
    You're a fucking legend. This is perfect, thank you!

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    As disturbing as the Broken movie is, I can enjoy it as I would to a horror film that I'd actually enjoy. What I also liked about it, is that I've always associated violence and destruction with anger, aggression and power-tripping, especially when left unchecked/unrestrainted. It just seems to make a lot of sense to me in that particular context, especially when considering the lyrics and overall sound of Broken. It also seems to be one of the perfect movies to watch when enraged, as it has actually calmed me down and helped snap me back into reality. I can only speak for myself though, but it actually works for me.

    This feels more like a confession though, but I thought that I'd post it here since Broken was discussed here a lot more, with the movie in and of itself being controversial, let alone the taboo of discussing violence even without graphic details. I have also wondered if this was one of Trent's ways of revealing some of the dark thoughts he's had regarding negative emotions, and/or just from simply observing the horrors of this world, including violence and destruction whether done with or without power-tripping and/or just plain sadistic and vengeful motives/urges/impulses/temptations. I was just reminded about this as well, because one of his interviews during The Downward Spiral era, he actually admitted that he wondered would it be like to kill, but also made sure to say that he obviously wouldn't go out and actually do such a thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trent Reznor
    I’m not afraid to think about certain things you aren’t supposed to think about. I mean, I do wonder what it would be like to kill somebody, though I’m not going to do it. I don’t want to do it. But I know why people idolize serial killers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Trent Reznor
    I can make something loud, but how can I make it the loudest, noisiest, most abrasive thing I’ve ever heard? Can I go 10 steps past the goriest horror film you’ve ever seen in a way that’s more disturbing than cheesy? I know I can; I’ve done it. Peter Christopherson and I made a long-form video for Broken that was the most horrific thing you’ll ever see, but I didn’t put it out because I didn’t want to spend the next five years explaining the thing to every reporter I meet. It makes “Happiness in Slavery’ look like a Disney movie.
    https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...o-death-48072/

    It also fascinates me how, aside from death and loss, that violence has been a theme with Nine Inch Nails from that start at Down In It (And with yet even more of a buzz from the FBI investigation mentioned on Hard Copy.), and an actual release called Add Violence, with some of the music videos aside from Broken being a given. Although, with lyrics and themes of self-destructing and overall sound and stage-show as seen during 1994-1995 at the peak of it, it'll clearly come with the territory. Even now, it also still sometimes messes with my mind of Trent having videos where he as the main character has been killed or just set up to die. If anything, it seems like in some ways, he has also experienced some type of occasional morbid curiosity/fascination with violence every now and then, (Which makes even more sense when you're also reminded that a lot of his lyrics are also based on pain, suffering and death.) and how it affects individuals and societies as a whole on all scales/levels morally/ethically. If so, then I absolutely agree and understand where he's coming from.
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    Starfuckers, Inc is fucking awesome. Am I alone in this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by katara View Post
    Starfuckers, Inc is fucking awesome. Am I alone in this?
    I never understood the hate for it.

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    Starfuckers was always my least favorite song from the fragile but i never hated it, seeing it live twice last year was great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papagolash View Post
    I never understood the hate for it.
    Me either. I don't remember if I have gone on this rant here already or on the NIN subreddit, but it's the lyrics I love. So often Trent's songs are vague enough that they could be about a number of things and could be interpreted any way you wanted to - but not this song.

    He's very clearly pissed at somebody, and the lines he drops (calling somebody a shallow little bitch and an ass kisser etc.) are things a person would say in the heat of an argument. It feels real and visceral and I love it because it's not carefully crafted prose, it's just venom and bile which I think is fantastic. It does seem a BIT odd on The Fragile, but I like the song itself and enjoy it a lot.

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    The song is fun but it's not really clear what the fuck they were thinking with that music video. It suffers a bit from "Deep" syndrome in that respect.

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    It does stick out on the album because it feels like a (personal opinion incoming, brace yourself) rather lazy attempt at a hit single. It's not a bad song, but my least favorite track on the record for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    The song is fun but it's not really clear what the fuck they were thinking with that music video. It suffers a bit from "Deep" syndrome in that respect.
    Every time I think of the video for "Deep" I remember that behind the scenes clip where Trent was shaking off the dye and shrieking, and it makes me giggle. That's one thing I miss from the MTV era was all that "making of the video" style content that we used to get that isn't terribly common anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    The song is fun but it's not really clear what the fuck they were thinking with that music video. It suffers a bit from "Deep" syndrome in that respect.
    The fact that Marilyn Manson co-directed the video should tell you what they were thinking with it. It's definitely more his style than Nine Inch Nails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    The fact that Marilyn Manson co-directed the video should tell you what they were thinking with it. It's definitely more his style than Nine Inch Nails.
    Terrible idea on TR's part. I'm not a huge fan of Manson's, and can't say I've paid much attention to his music videos since, well, the 1990s... but this one didn't even remind me of those (particularly not Floria Sigismondi's beautiful and mysterious clips for Antichrist Superstar) so much as a tatty butt-rock video, complete with misogynistic overtones, and a few jump cuts thrown in to make it seem eerie — and that's not to mention the literal cheap shots at other artists. It's embarrassing to watch, now. I seem to remember Toronto's local video jock puppet curmudgeon, Ed the Sock, put it on his end-of-year Fromage round-up list of 2000's worst music videos... and even as a 14-year-old diehard NIN fan I couldn't really disagree with his assessment then that it came across as incredibly petty:

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    Quote Originally Posted by katara View Post
    Starfuckers, Inc is fucking awesome. Am I alone in this?
    The song is great, it just shouldn't have been on The Fragile. It just doesn't fit the rest of the record. Especially so close to the end. It sort of kills the emotional momentum for a second. But it's not bad by any means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    Terrible idea on TR's part. I'm not a huge fan of Manson's, and can't say I've paid much attention to his music videos since, well, the 1990s... but this one didn't even remind me of those (particularly not Floria Sigismondi's beautiful and mysterious clips for Antichrist Superstar) so much as a tatty butt-rock video, complete with misogynistic overtones, and a few jump cuts thrown in to make it seem eerie — and that's not to mention the literal cheap shots at other artists. It's embarrassing to watch, now.
    That's kind of the point though; the song was originally written as a stab at Manson. By the time it was released, they'd made up and weren't fueding anymore, so they made the video loaded with all the dumb cliches you just mentioned as a sort of acknowledgement of how Manson's own work was often perceived by mainstream culture. The whole thing is a joke, as intended.

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    I loved Starfuckers Inc from the first time I heard it on The Day The World Went Away single. After waiting for new NIN for 5 years it was a fun catchy song with an awesome beat, much more fun to listen to that summer than TDTWWA. Then the video came out and it was fun too, I loved Trent's look in it, and that it revealed him and Manson were working together again. I like that it's on The Fragile and it gives you a break from the much more bleak and serious songs. Whenever I would be shopping for a new stereo or car deck I would bring that song with me to make sure it would sound good and had decent bass on the stereo I was testing out.

    Starfuckers Inc > any song on the last three EPs.

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    I forgot how terrible Bad Witch was. Holy crap what a terrible way to end such a great trilogy.

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    It’s the lesser of the three but I love AOO and OAO.

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    Fixed > Broken

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    Quote Originally Posted by zecho View Post
    The song is great, it just shouldn't have been on The Fragile. It just doesn't fit the rest of the record. Especially so close to the end. It sort of kills the emotional momentum for a second. But it's not bad by any means.
    The decision to include it is odd, but it does sound weird to not hear that opening beat after "Please" ends.

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    1. Add Violence
    2. Bad Witch
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    Add Violence has both This Isn't the Place and The Background World which are both in my top ten or so songs by the band. Bad Witch has Over and Out which is in that category as well. However, I think The Lovers is the most BORING track that TR has ever done. Not the Actual Events was cool, and the songs really come alive in a live setting. But I probably haven't listened to that one front to back since i listened to the trilogy front to back when Bad Witch came out.
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