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    I think some people expected the trilogy to fit in a more linear fashion ala Year Zero, but I don't think that was ever the intention behind it. It's more abstract than that. There are themes and concepts that connect it all together, but it's very non-linear as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    I think some people expected the trilogy to fit in a more linear fashion ala Year Zero, but I don't think that was ever the intention behind it. It's more abstract than that. There are themes and concepts that connect it all together, but it's very non-linear as a whole.
    I can accept that, but at the same time I think saying something is more complex and non-linear is also an easy way to force things that are not really related to seem like they are supposed to be. It is only my opinion, but to me it feels more like something that started out planned to be something, but then just didn’t work out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckaroo View Post
    I can accept that, but at the same time I think saying something is more complex and non-linear is also an easy way to force things that are not really related to seem like they are supposed to be.
    I don't agree with that. Again, there are themes and concepts that connect it as a whole. You can call it a cop-out answer, but the evidence speaks for itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    Just curious about what era you got into NIN. Was is later? I remember The Crow coming out and this being one of the first songs by NIN I ever heard. More recently I got into Koy Division over the past couple years and I appreciate it all the more. But hey, everyone’s entitled to their view, especially on this thread.
    I’ve been a NIN fan since 1994, and I’ve really disliked the track since it was brand new. Neither the raw material nor the production did anything for me, particularly given the richness of TDS and associated releases.

    Thankfully The Crow soundtrack was totally redeemed for me by Thrill Kill Kult’s After the Flesh (which is probably another Controversial Opinion in and of itself).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarah K View Post
    Dead Souls is boring as fuck.
    As a huge Joy Division / New Order / Bernard Sumner solo fan, I have to say that, when compared with the rest of their catalogue, “Dead Souls” is pretty bland. Even I hardly ever listen to the original. I mean, the below is the final song on the final (second) Joy Division album released - posthumously at that - after Ian killed himself at the age of 24. Just chilling. The music, the lyrics... in comparison to their best work, “Dead Souls” has always fallen flat to my ears. I guess what I’m saying is it isn’t representative of the real genius and beauty that is/was Joy Division.



    TR releasing an EP of Joy Division covers, especially the likes of “The Eternal” and “Decades”? Yes please! Hell, his most famous song “Closer” has the same name as the final JD record, and “Still” has the same name as their third (compilation/live) album. I’m getting myself too excited.

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    Been thinking about this while watching the vevo Tension 2013 Exposed YouTube video...

    I think that maybe TR with held the release of Tension DVD because too many people didn't like Everything. A possibility…

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmitchell86 View Post
    Been thinking about this while watching the vevo Tension 2013 Exposed YouTube video...

    I think that maybe TR with held the release of Tension DVD because too many people didn't like Everything. A possibility…
    Not sure what Everything has to do with it. It was never played live, and announcement of the DVD/BRD came late in the Tension tour (or was it after the tour?). It’s been awhile, but I think they wanted to capture the 2014 (aka 2013 festival) production as well.

    Who knows. My guess is he either wasn’t happy with it, or it ended up being too expensive- or as usual to questions like these (even non-NIN related) there are multiple reasons.

    EDIT: I love watching that part 1 video BTW. Always find it entertaining. Part 2 was kind of a bummer.

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    Rob mentioned on Twitter that he parted ways with Trent in 2014, so that could also explain what happened to the release. Without an art director to guide the project to completion, it's easy to see how it could end up in the pile of unfinished/unreleased projects.

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    Someone should make a note to ask TR about it the next time they do a Q&A like at that one they did before a show recently in Mexico(?) I think it was.

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    I don't really want to continue to beat a dead horse in the "NIN spotting" thread after we have moved on and got it back on topic, so I'll just post this here:
    @Max

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarah K View Post
    I, too, am so sick of Trent's emo vocals on his score work.
    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post

    I respect Trent Reznor so much as an artist and I’m pretty irritated by the condescending and dismissive tone in some of the posts above. It’s fine if you don’t connect with something he’s done, but at least be respectful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Leviathant View Post
    At the risk of derailing the conversation (This is NIN Spotting after all) I believe Sarah K was making fun of Bill Leeb's post, suggesting that Trent's score work doesn't actually have vocals. StockAvuryah retorted with A Minute to Breathe, which is a TR/AR film score song with lyrics, which Bill Leeb may or may not consider emo. Don't sweat it.
    For what it's worth, it wasn't actually Bill Leeb who was throwing shade at TR in Facebook. It was some goof in the peanut gallery (comments section).
    Bill just pointed out that Birdbox had been streamed 43 million times and there are idiots trying to blindfold themselves and walk around doing everyday tasks and the soundtrack was by NIN. This lead someone in the comments to ask:

    I’m not sure if it’s just a detail you added, or if you’re trying to poke some fun at T. Rez
    to which he responded: "no i think its cool total success again"

    So, no ill-will on Bill's behalf there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erneuert View Post
    Someone should make a note to ask TR about it the next time they do a Q&A like at that one they did before a show recently in Mexico(?) I think it was.
    And they should also ask what the mysterious "video" project they were filming in Mexico was, too (music video?). Because it seems to have been shelved.

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    Continued from the TOOL Thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    . ETE wasn’t APC’s finest moment, but it was good and most people enjoyed it. Sure was better than Trents trilogy.
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    APCs new album was better than Trents trilogy? I am sure you will find many NIN fans who laugh at that statement.The APC album was a shitbomb and got terrible reviews everywhere and most APC fans I know listened to it once and tossed it (me included).....
    I'm with @Helpmeiaminhell on this one. You thought Eat the Elephant was better than the trilogy?? That's a BOLD statement dude. ETE was and still is garbage compared to the Trilogy. The Trilogy has some major bangers. NTAE is the best thing we got since "The Fragile" so raw, so powerful. It's the closest thing we will ever get to a Broken to TDS 2.0 from Trent. Add violence was decent as well - The Background World is one of the best tracks he's done. Sure, maybe Bad Witch was the weakest of the link, but I would still take BW over Eat the Elephant any day of the week.

    I tried listening to ETE when it first dropped, and thought it was pure garbage. Picked out a few stand alone tracks that I went back to throughout the year, but I could never go back to that record as a full entity. At the end of the year, when "Best of" lists started popping up, one rock/metal list listed ETE as one of the top records, and I raised an eyebrow and thought maybe I was quick to judge, and I'll give it another chance. I tried spinning it in order from beginning to end again, and it was boring. It did nothing for me.

    People always begging for TDS or Broken, and Trent gives the fans what he they want on NTAE, and you say it's a weak release compared to ETE? That's insane.

    I'd rather listen to Ghosts I-IV on repeat for a week straight than listen to Eat the Elephant ever again.

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    I liked Eat The Elephant just fine, but it does feel very by the numbers for the most part. It doesn't feel like they've evolved much since their last album. The EP trilogy is solid stuff though and definitely better than Eat The Elephant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    I like/love NIN’s version of Dead Souls. Joy Division? Not so much. That one song NIN just covered is pretty lame IMO.
    Have you heard the JD version at the right pitch? Modern day researchers figured out it was released pitched wrong

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    NTAE > BW > AV
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmtd View Post
    Have you heard the JD version at the right pitch? Modern day researchers figured out it was released pitched wrong
    I, uhhhh.... not sure if I’m being trolled with this comment about modern researchers and a proper pitch?

    Bears fan here- excuse me while I go drink a bottle of bleach off the nearest high school football fields goal posts crossbar.

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    I was curious, too. Found this:



    More details if you follow it to YouTube.
    Last edited by ThermionicScott; 01-06-2019 at 08:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
    I was curious, too. Found this:



    More details if you follow it to YouTube.
    ThNks for clearing that up- I’ll give it a listen later. I’ll be pessimistic right now about it though, I just never cared for JD so doubt a change in pitch will do anything. I like Trent’s version that sounds more distorted and heavier compared to their style.

    Cant put a finger on why exactly. Maybe they always sounded dated to me when I did first hear them.

    EDIT: just listened to it. I hate the singers voice- nothing necessarily wrong with the music, that part is fine.
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    That video is pretty lol. They've taken the two songs known to have been shifted for singing comfort and extrapolated that out to pitch shift another 30 mins of songs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
    I was curious, too. Found this:



    More details if you follow it to YouTube.

    My mind is blown right now.

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    Joy Division was amazing. I was super late to that party - just really gave them a chance a few years ago, but it really holds up. There was this magical period of music I never knew about - talking heads, Joy Division, Bowie Berlin Trilogy - meanwhile my parents were listening to disco...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    Joy Division was amazing. I was super late to that party - just really gave them a chance a few years ago, but it really holds up.
    Ditto. I was late to the party because everything I heard of JD had been on 80s and 90s CDs of not the best transfer quality... so when I started getting into vinyl I figured I'd take a chance on some of the stuff I had dismissed earlier. Kraftwerk, Joy Division, the A Clockwork Orange soundtracks (both Kubrick's and Carlos versions)... all the earlier electronic/industrial/no wave/goth that just didn't sound "right" before, does now. It helped contribute to my theory that music (or subjectively good music) is atemporal; we just cannot keep on top of all of the music all of the time, so we discover it when we can.

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    For quite some time, I've always thought that there's probably no Nine Inch Nails opinions more controversial and unpopular than opinions against Broken and The Downward Spiral.

    It has made me wonder if there are actually any NIN fans out there that weren't really into Broken and TDS, as inconceivable as that might be/seem. (And maybe not necessarily to the point of actually hating those releases, but that would also very much be the ultimate given for most controversial/unpopular NIN opinions concerning 1990s NIN.)

    And in some ways, Pretty Hate Machine could also be included in this as well, but Broken and TDS still seemed to be by far the most untouchable, unreachable and unstoppable (And arguably "untoppable".) NIN albums in terms of praise, respect and immortalizing NIN altogether. On the other hand, it could also still be said/proven that Pretty Hate Machine still had a hand in all of that anyway, and was very much a tremendous part of the 1994-1995 tours.

    And in spite of The Fragile being loved as much it does, especially on ETS, and even more-so the older it gets, it still also gets very mixed opinions when compared to Pretty Hate Machine, Broken and TDS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halo Infinity View Post
    For quite some time, I've always thought that there's probably no Nine Inch Nails opinions more controversial and unpopular than opinions against Broken and The Downward Spiral.

    It has made me wonder if there are actually any NIN fans out there that weren't really into Broken and TDS, as inconceivable as that might be/seem. (And maybe not necessarily to the point of actually hating those releases, but that would also very much be the ultimate given for most controversial/unpopular NIN opinions concerning 1990s NIN.)

    And in some ways, Pretty Hate Machine could also be included in this as well, but Broken and TDS still seemed to be by far the most untouchable, unreachable and unstoppable (An arguably "untoppable".) NIN albums in terms of praise, respect and immortalizing NIN altogether. On the other hand, it could also still be said/proven that Pretty Hate Machine still had a hand in all of that anyway, and was very much a tremendous part of the 1994-1995 tours.

    And in spite of The Fragile being loved as much it does, especially on ETS, and even more-so the older it gets, it still also gets very mixed opinions when compared to Pretty Hate Machine, Broken and TDS.
    Well, I'm definitely one fan that isn't as into Pretty Hate Machine as everyone else. I do like the album, but compared to every other release it's simple, generic, and full of not so great lyrics. Don't get me wrong, it's still a good album, but I think it shows that TR was still kind of figuring out what he was doing at the time. Compared to subsequent releases that were so unique and full of interesting musical experiments and production techniques, it just doesn't hold up for me in the same way.

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    I kinda grew up on PHM, so I have major affection for it. I think if you listen intently and compare it to other stuff from that time period, it actually has a lot going on in terms of how it was constructed. Even then, TR had serious attention to detail and a gift for melodies and hooks.

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    In the first two or three years after I got into NIN, I listened to The Fragile, AATCHB and Things Falling Apart exclusively. I simply didn't have access to the rest of Halography where I lived, and it was pre-internet era for me. So when I finally got my hands on PHM, Broken and TDS, the way the studio versions of AATCHB songs sounded was a major letdown... for a while. Needless to say they grew on me later on, but it definitely took some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fillow View Post
    ...the way the studio versions of AATCHB songs sounded was a major letdown...
    I'm glad that opinions like this exist.
    when I read that, I instantly remembered multiple times audiophile people here got all "cannot listen to that CD anymore, the sound is terrible and hurts my golden ears".
    AATCHB is fine. It's f---ing supposed to be overwhelming and make one feel their head is ringing, which it does during the nine inch nails show. Sweet Jesus on ecstasy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenAkenobi View Post
    cannot listen to that CD anymore
    People could say it now, when they have other records and other NIN live recordings to compare. Back then, I was just 16 years old, I didn't know shit one about 'flac', 'lossless', 'clipping' and the rest of this shit. All I had were my 20-25 CDs and two dozens of tapes with music and my CD/tape Panasonic player (which is still alive and kicking to this day!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenAkenobi View Post
    I'm glad that opinions like this exist.
    when I read that, I instantly remembered multiple times audiophile people here got all "cannot listen to that CD anymore, the sound is terrible and hurts my golden ears".
    AATCHB is fine. It's f---ing supposed to be overwhelming and make one feel their head is ringing, which it does during the nine inch nails show. Sweet Jesus on ecstasy!
    it's not that it's "overwhelming," it's the audio artifacting that makes all the high-end sound like it's coming through a fan running at high speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    it's not that it's "overwhelming," it's the audio artifacting that makes all the high-end sound like it's coming through a fan running at high speed.
    I'd be lying if I said I was never put off by it, but the performances are strong enough to transcend the audio clipping issue, IMO.

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    Tension > Lights in the Sky.

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