Originally Posted by sweeterthan
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tempus est umbra in mente
I like your take @marodi , but wouldn't it be a more logical thing to try first before taking this crazy risk? It's a bit of a,... forgot the word for when it's not a plot hole but it's implausible to logically consider realistic... McLovin?
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Hadn't heard of that theory before, makes a lot of sense.
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Finale = 79 minutes and 43 seconds, mofos
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So correct me if I'm wrong, and I haven't read back in this thread but.... they only need to kill the Night King? The rest will drop. As they all have come from him, like a family tree. One target.
And no doubt it's bran in my mind.
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Not on board with Bran being the Night King, personally. One pretty obvious hole to poke in the article's theory is that the pre-transformation Night King doesn't have the white eyes of a be-warged individual.
I do think the Night King might be an ancient member of the Stark family though, given the brown hair/eyes, facial features and seer powers. They've been a major house since that era.
An interesting theory that popped up a week ago suggested he's the progenitor of House Stark (either the Brandon Stark credited with building the Wall, or his direct ancestor). It's probably too convoluted to be entirely accurate but does make some very interesting points, particularly in explaining the northern customs "he who passes the sentence should swing the sword" and the Guest Right.
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I was nobody. Nothing.
re: bran being the night king.
this is something that i've personally thought was the case ever since bran tensed up at the same moment that the thing was being plunged into the night king's chest.
i can't believe i'm seeing other people pick this up as a "theory" and seeing, still others, saying how stupid it is. i guess a lot of people got the same idea that i did.
I will say this though: even if i'm wrong about bran being the night king, i think it's going to be SOMETHING along those lines with bran.
He can travel through time (RT heard him. Hodor saw him.)
And then what's his fucking name said that "bran is the 'only thing that matters.'"
So, okay, i will admit that it's very possible that Bran is NOT the night king, but however it plays out, bran and his supernatural abilities will play a MASSIVE fucking part in the final eight hours
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I'll be very happy if the rest of Bran's story just consists of making people incredibly uncomfortable. "Cersei, you looked beautiful that day, walking through King's Landing. I'm so sorry it had to end that way, dripping with excrement."
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Guys, guys, guys. You're all being incredibly thick. The Bran story is obvious, and no one has even HINTED at it here.
You know why he does the "you looked beautiful" thing. I mean, the real reason? He's just fishing for compliments. He wants a "thanks, you're looking good yourself". That's all.
Please, for the love of god, someone just compliment the whiny little teen so we can move on to mourning Tormund.
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That was a pretty crazy finale.
Bored
Well, shit just got real.
i'm too thin
good lord
Behold the morning star
Now we have to wait two years
tempus est umbra in mente
NO. NOOOOOOOOOOO. It's not FAIR! You cannot leave me hanging like this!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!Now we have to wait two years
FUCK THAT/THIS/ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGH
Two years, where I need my stories, and Trump is President?
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This might be the best season to date. What a finale...
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In exchange for a dragon that is seemingly all the Night's King needed to destroy the Wall and bring the army of the dead to the world, the brightest minds and tacticians in Westeros gained Jaime Lannister as a squad mate
Fair trade
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I've been feeling this way a long time because of Dany's entire storyline, and now with the wall, it's pretty much confirmed my take on this....
The dragons are lazy and a shame.
"What the fuck is he talking about??" you're asking yourself.
Here's the thing: the whole series is amazingly complex. GRRM has created this massive world with tons of characters, puzzles and riddles to solve, backstabbing, scheming, plotting, etc. There are so many moving pieces and so much going on; it's what makes the series special. So to just go "Oh, Dany's in charge cuz her dragons can burn shit" and "haha now the dead are here cuz their dragon broke the wall", it just feels so lazy and anticlimactic to me. Thousands and thousands of pages full of intricate detail and the overall takeaway is "because dragons". It just feels too simple; like everything else that was linked together is now just background to one piece of brute force. I mean...not that I'm comparing the depth of these two series, but imagine if freakin' Harry Potter just stumbled upon the Elder Wand one day and knocked off Voldemort in one shot.
I'll probably get facepalmed for this post, but so be it. From a visual perspective, the whole "dragon SMASH" thing is pretty cool. Major, major credit to all involved in the VFX departments on this show; they've done an amazing job with it. But from a story perspective...it feels thin.
i'm too thin
I've been reading a lot of these types of criticisms, especially in regard to the ways in which LF and Varys have been treated lately as characters. But I have to ask - what did you guys expect? I feel like it's been obvious for many years that this entire story was about a Kingdom of people politicking and scheming while unwinnable war against an unambiguous evil was brewing quietly in the background. This is the end game. There is so little room left for politics. We've transitioned into fantasy. This was always going to happen, the NK was always going to get the dragon, the ink has dried.
So it doesn't just feel that way - everything else linked together was nothing more than background to one giant brute force.
It sounds like you want a solely Middle Ages politics story and there is no shortage of those. But if you want to enjoy Game of Thrones I feel like you have to enjoy the fact that this is what everything has come down to.
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I've often wondered if this is part of the reason Martin's taking so long to finish the remaining books, having had the general idea of the ending this whole time actually taking the time to write it has to be the boring part since it's pretty straigtforward with all the clues that have been laid previously.
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Spoiler: I'm just so glad that Littlefinger got in one more "I loved your mother" for the road. It's basically his catchphrase, if you smell what the pimp is cooking.
(And Arya was the last living Stark he hadn't said it to, I think, so that's some nice closure there)
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I couldn't help but be reminded of this scene during the fight with Theon:
Bored
Who was the star of last night's show? Ned Stark was. He can be proud of his pack.
Spoilers ahead!
Loved:
-The Hound and Brienne's reunion. And how those two forces of nature agreed to stay out of the way of little Creepy Arya.
-Ser Bronn of the Fucking Blackwater and Tyrion's reunion: those two are made for each other.
-COCK!
-Tyrion and Cercei's reunion: now that was intense.
-Dany loves to make an entry.
-The dead going right at Cercei
-Everything about Littlefinger
-"What happened to you beyond the Wall?"
"I became the 3 Eyed Raven"
Unimpressed "Oh".
-The face Tyrion made when he saw Jon Snow go into Dany's chamber. He is still sorting out his feelings about that.
-Aegon Targaryen, legitimate heir to the Iron Throne; how about that? Wait until Dany learns about it.
-Ser Jaime the Honorable.
-The Wall! The Wall!!!
-It's useless to kick someone in the balls in they don't have any.
Nitpicks (it's not GoT without them)
-How did Sansa learn about Littlefinger's schemes? Lemme guess: Bran "I see it all". How convenient.
-Jon and Dany. *yawns*
-Wasn't the Wall built so it could stop the menace frond beyond? Why the rush to form an army to fight the White Walkers in they were not supposed to be able to pass the Wall? It's not as if that Wall was at risk of coming down, right? And magic was preventing the dead to pass anyway (which is why Uncle Benjen could not come back), right? RIGHT? And no one South of the Wall knew that the Night King has gotten himself a cool blue fire breathing undead dragon, right?
-Tormund and Beric are still alive since they were clearly on the part of the Wall that remain standing (they were watching the rest of it go down). #Briemundforever.
-We came *this close* to the Clegane Bowl.
I need to watch this again and again.
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As far back as season 1 / book 1 there have been mentions that the Night's Watch wasn't at the strength required to hold the wall. This season the castle @ Eastwatch was essentially undefended until the Wildlings took up residence there.
Jon and others are / were firmly of the belief that the wall wasn't going to hold on it's own - hence the need to rally forces and allies, though as you point out in true grrm-ian fashion the good guys experience blowback on truly horrific levels.
That being said, this does somewhat echo the maesters of a few weeks back when Sam was told that the whitewalkers weren't as big of a threat as he assumed them to be.
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in all the finale did a pretty good job getting things re-arranged for the final season.
it had everything we could reasonably hope for, great interactions, good setup for next season, some good action / effects stuff.
I do take some issue with the show version of Cersei, which seems to oscillate between - very rational, very cold, calculating *or* just batshit nuts (from the books she seems more consistently crazy, but fortunate) alas.
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This season obviously wasn't the greatest, the various interactions were mostly great, the big splashy action pieces were great, however the overall plot and arc was a bit wibbly wobbly at best.
I didn't hate the "kidnap a zombie" plot though perhaps it could have borrowed a line from Argo - "this is the best bad idea we have..."
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A few points on the Wall.
- Nobody in the Seven Kingdoms (except maybe Bran) knows for sure whether there's any magical protection in the Wall.
- Any magic wards the Wall might once have contained may have been nullified anyway when Bran passed through wearing the Night King's mark (remember what happened at the Three-Eyed Raven's werewood tree). But regardless, the Wall apparently never had any magic to protect it against wights - we see them taken through the Wall and reanimate on the other side. So even if the White Walkers themselves couldn't get through, they could still send the world's largest army over, around or through it.
- The wights are fairly co-ordinated, so it's plausible that they might eventually have attacked the Wall using mammoths, giants and battering rams in a similar manner to how the Wildlings did. Or simply walked around it over the sea ice that's likely to eventually form. If the Wall could stop them on its own, there would never have been a need for a Night's Watch.
One way or another, the army of the dead was eventually going to reach the Seven Kingdoms. What nobody realised is that the Night King had anticipated the dragons arriving, and was seemingly waiting for a chance to add them to the army before launching the invasion.
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I waited so long for that sex scene and it was so meh.
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My favorite part was the intercut scene of encyclopedic explaining of how what we were seeing was legitimized incest
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They really wanted to drive that home
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Max Landis (screenwriter/showrunner of Dirk Gently/comic book writer) is killing it on twitter with his GoT jokes and is doing fake dialogue
Behold the morning star
Max landis sucks
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Agreed. He's such a chode.
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