Random NIN Thoughts

[WorzelG]

Was playing planet coaster and i think NIN should open a fun park, wouldn't you want to ride a roller-coaster called the downward spiral? Get lost in the Perfect Maze or make a decision to go up above it or down into the rather nice but unpleasant Pretty Hate Machine? Try and keep on your feet in The Slip? Avoid getting green goo on you riding on 'The Deep'? Take a terrifying walk around the house with 36 ghosts? Not being able to ride 'Broken' because it's broken.

Sorry, too much coffee today.

They could make part of the coaster look like it’s Broken and you’re about to die, but then just in time, it’s Fixed

[StockAvuryah]

There is alot of NIN bass lines that are no where as loud as should be in the mix.

TBH Witha Teetha and Ahead of Ourselfs and Sanctified are the only ones that immeaditly come to mind that I can hum from memory.

The one from Happiness in Slavery is pretty funky and put forward, comes to mind immediately for me

[snichols]

I would love to hear a completed version of "was it worth it?" with vocals. Probably my favorite track on Deviations.

[sheepdean]

Having finished my list of NIN covers, I realised they have done exactly 50 as of Greensleeves - if we take HTDA and TRAR covers as covers http://www.nin.wiki/Cover_Songs

[Erneuert]

Having finished my list of NIN covers, I realised they have done exactly 50 as of Greensleeves - if we take HTDA and TRAR covers as covers http://www.nin.wiki/Cover_Songs

For Down In The Park it says “partially, Gary Numan on guest vocals”. Gary pretty pretty much wrote the song and Tubeway Army was only used for his first two albums before just going under his name. I think it should just say “Yes” in that column. @botley ?

[sheepdean]

For Down In The Park it says “partially, Gary Numan on guest vocals”. Gary pretty pretty much wrote the song and Tubeway Army was only used for his first two albums before just going under his name. I think it should just say “Yes” in that column. @botley ?

I don't know enough about early Numan to know, but pretty much wrote isn't wrote?

[Erneuert]

I don't know enough about early Numan to know, but pretty much wrote isn't wrote?

It was written and produced just by Gary.

[botley]

It was written and produced just by Gary.

Yeah, he also wanted to release it under his own name, but the record company insisted on keeping the "Tubeway Army" name because they had sold a few thousand copies of their first LP.

Some editions of the Replicas album credit "Gary Numan + Tubeway Army" too. It's a Gary Numan song, basically.

[Amaro]

Bad Witch is not an LP, it's an EP. lol I still can't get over Trent's logic on that one.

It is a shorter listen than Broken, which is well known as an EP.

[BRoswell]

Bad Witch is not an LP, it's an EP. lol I still can't get over Trent's logic on that one.

"EPs show up with singles in Spotify and other streaming services = they get lost easier. EPs feel less important in today’s music-isn’t-as-important-as-it-once-was world. Why make it easier to ignore?"

Not sure what's so crazy about that.

[botley]

It is a shorter listen than Broken, which is well known as an EP.

Broken is technically classifed by the RIAA as a "short-form album" (*walks away slowly before another argument erupts*).

[ryanmcfly]

It is a shorter listen than Broken, which is well known as an EP.

It's also longer than Slayer's Reign in Blood. What's your point? Trent called it an album, so i don't see the point in beating the dead horse almost a year later.

[ricardo]

Bad Witch is so much easier to find on Spotify compared to NTAE and AV that I couldn't give a crap about its length. Great idea making it an album Trent and thank you.

[Amaro]

Not sure what's so crazy about that.

Not actually crazy to me…but why not have also called both AV or NTAE LPs as well? Maybe in hindsight he would have?

Broken is technically classifed by the RIAA as a "short-form album" (*walks away slowly before another argument erupts*).

I also am now noting Spotify (not sure about Apple Music) lists Broken as an LP. Hmm. www.ninwiki.com doesn't concur. System collapse.

It's also longer than Slayer's Reign in Blood. What's your point? Trent called it an album, so i don't see the point in beating the dead horse almost a year later.

I guess I wish I actually knew what the standard was for what makes an EP an EP. Maybe I never knew?

[BRoswell]

Maybe in hindsight he would have?

That seems to be his reasoning. He saw what happened with the first two EPs and decided to switch it up for the final EP.

[SchwarzerAbt]

That seems to be his reasoning. He saw what happened with the first two EPs and decided to switch it up for the final EP.

Even better would have been to make it an EP and then release a compilation of the trilogy as a streaming only album. With that all of the material would be easy to find and the system wouldn't be broken.

Oh well, missed chances...

[TheBang]

I should make a page for tracks only on certain formats.

For now, have a look http://www.nin.wiki/Category:Rare_NIN_Songs

This is my list of songs that are only available on analog media (cassette or vinyl). If anyone knows differently, please let me know:

+Appendage
Capital G (Ladytron Finite Climax Mix)
Closer to God (5:25 version, fades to proper ending, promo vinyl)
Happiness in Slavery (PK Slavery Remix)
Happiness in Slavery (Sherwood Slave Remix)
Head Like a Hole (Radio Edit) (3:43)
Heresy (Blind) (5:38, fades to proper ending, promo vinyl)
Hurt (Reverse)
Reptile (Reverse)
Sin (Radio Edit) (3:22)
Something I Can Never Have (Remastered, Vinyl, no "Sanctified" guitar drone)
Starfuckers, Inc. (Cassette, no "Complication" guitar during the ending)
Suck (Live) (TVT Summer Sampler 1991)
Survivalism_OpalHeartClinic_Niggy_Tardust!(Escaped ...
The Downward Spiral (Reverse)
The Good Soldier (Friend or Faux 001)
The Perfect Drug (Aphrodite)
The Perfect Drug (Aphrodite) (5:38, white label; Original speed at which the remix was made)
Vessel (Mix 1)
Vessel (Mix 2) (First half is the same as the Bill Laswell Mix)
Wish (3:36)

[Erneuert]

This is my list of songs that are only available on analog media (cassette or vinyl). If anyone knows differently, please let me know:

+Appendage
Capital G (Ladytron Finite Climax Mix)
Closer to God (5:25 version, fades to proper ending, promo vinyl)
Happiness in Slavery (PK Slavery Remix)
Happiness in Slavery (Sherwood Slave Remix)
Head Like a Hole (Radio Edit) (3:43)
Heresy (Blind) (5:38, fades to proper ending, promo vinyl)
Hurt (Reverse)
Reptile (Reverse)
Sin (Radio Edit) (3:22)
Something I Can Never Have (Remastered, Vinyl, no "Sanctified" guitar drone)
Starfuckers, Inc. (Cassette, no "Complication" guitar during the ending)
Suck (Live) (TVT Summer Sampler 1991)
Survivalism_OpalHeartClinic_Niggy_Tardust!(Escaped ...
The Downward Spiral (Reverse)
The Good Soldier (Friend or Faux 001)
The Perfect Drug (Aphrodite)
The Perfect Drug (Aphrodite) (5:38, white label; Original speed at which the remix was made)
Vessel (Mix 1)
Vessel (Mix 2) (First half is the same as the Bill Laswell Mix)
Wish (3:36)

At quick glance, pretty sure HIS (PK Slavery Mix) and Survivalism (Tardusted) were both posted digitally by TR on remix.nin.com. Both versions of TPD (Aphrodite) are available digitally from the remixer.

[TheBang]

At quick glance, pretty sure HIS (PK Slavery Mix) and Survivalism (Tardusted) were both posted digitally by TR on remix.nin.com. Both versions of TPD (Aphrodite) are available digitally from the remixer.

The posted HiS remixes were sourced from vinyl rips though, not the original files. Survivalism_Tardusted is not the same as Survivalism_OpalHeartClinic_Niggy_Tardust!(Escaped .... The latter was not posted, I believe (though I'll double-check). (Edit: It was not)

The slowed down Aphrodite remix (6:07) was only on the Nothing promo vinyl, AFAIK. If you know differently, please point it out to me. The original speed Aphrodite remix (5:38) was only on white label vinyl. The 2016 digital reissue was remastered (so I count that as different from the original release).

[fillow]

Pretty sure one of Vessel mixes is available in digital as around the time of YZR release it was posted on... Bill's myspace? Not sure exactly where.

[Erneuert]

The posted HiS remixes were sourced from vinyl rips though, not the original files. Survivalism_Tardusted is not the same as Survivalism_OpalHeartClinic_Niggy_Tardust!(Escaped .... The latter was not posted, I believe (though I'll double-check). (Edit: It was not)

The slowed down Aphrodite remix (6:07) was only on the Nothing promo vinyl, AFAIK. If you know differently, please point it out to me. The original speed Aphrodite remix (5:38) was only on white label vinyl. The 2016 digital reissue was remastered (so I count that as different from the original release).

Oh, fair enough. For some reason I always thought the (Tardusted) one was the same, just with a shortened title to make it easier on folks for tagging. I’m 30 now so my brain must be in the disintegrating stage.

[ChipRock]

This is my list of songs that are only available on analog media

Maybe when people stop banging on about vinyl being the only real format to bother with somebody will put all these out somewhere in a nice digital bundle. *nudge nudge, wink wink*
Am I correct in thinking that we could add the Dave Sitek remix of Survivalism from the Capital G single? Or was it on remix.nin.com in low quality?

[TheBang]

Pretty sure one of Vessel mixes is available in digital as around the time of YZR release it was posted on... Bill's myspace

I'd be interested in more info about that. Here are the Bill Laswell remixes:

CD: Vessel (Bill Laswell Mix) - 6:11
Vinyl only: Vessel (Mix 1) - 9:36
Vinyl only: Vessel (Mix 2) - 13:12 (first 6:11 is same as "Bill Laswell Mix")

Edit: I found this. Is that the one? The song file itself was lost in the great MySpace music apocalypse, but it looks like it would the the "Bill Laswell Mix"

Am I correct in thinking that we could add the Dave Sitek remix of Survivalism from the Capital G single?

It was a bonus track on the iTunes UK album of Year Zero.

[fillow]

I'd be interested in more info about that. Here are the Bill Laswell remixes:

CD: Vessel (Bill Laswell Mix) - 6:11
Vinyl only: Vessel (Mix 1) - 9:36
Vinyl only: Vessel (Mix 2) - 13:12 (first 6:11 is same as "Bill Laswell Mix")

Edit: I found this. Is that the one? The song file itself was lost in the great MySpace music apocalypse, but it looks like it would the the "Bill Laswell Mix"

I just looked at whatever I have in my YZR folder and I suspect it's 9:36 remix because the file I have sounds remarkably better (or, should I say, louder) than 13:12 one (which is obviously LP sourced). I can PM it to you and you check if it's digital or not.

By the way, did you know we're living a Groundhog's Day? https://www.echoingthesound.org/comm...1056#post61056

[MrLobster]

Oh, fair enough. For some reason I always thought the (Tardusted) one was the same

I like "Survivalism_opalheartclinic_niggy_tardust(escaped ..." a lot more because it feels like part of the ARG.

[TheBang]

I just looked at whatever I have in my YZR folder and I suspect it's 9:36 remix because the file I have sounds remarkably better (or, should I say, louder) than 13:12 one (which is obviously LP sourced). I can PM it to you and you check if it's digital or not.

Please send it on over. If it's a direct rip from MySpace, then it would be 96 Kbps MP3 (or 96 Kbps AAC if it was ripped in 2012 or later). If it was re-encoded rather than directly ripped, then it could be anything.

By the way, did you know we're living a Groundhog's Day? https://www.echoingthesound.org/comm...1056#post61056

With a post by me right above yours. Time truly is a flat circle.

Though I don't think we've had this specific analog-only discussion.

[Halo Infinity]

I am still very grateful that I can look back at The Meathead Perspective's Voice of the Voiceless and know that seeing The Perfect Drug in the flesh has been a reality so far. I had it in my mind the entire time I saw it last year, along with actual music video itself. (A lot of it also has to do with the fact that I also discovered The Meathead Perspective at the start of becoming a fan too.)



http://www.theninhotline.net/meatper...cartoon039.htm

[Elrickooo]

I really wish 33 Ghosts had been played live, such a great song

[snaapz]

What is TR working on today/now? What's next.

[WorzelG]

What is TR working on today/now? What's next.

i would imagine working their arses off on the Watchmen score but I hope there’s still a bit of time left over for some NIN though, haven’t they said working on different things helps the creative process?