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    Quote Originally Posted by laststepdown View Post
    The fact that all these albums (WT->YZ->TS->HM->NTAA->AV->BW)are all culminating within the YZ storyline is destroying my mental state. From The Warning in With Teeth to the A.I.R. flag in the track art for Head Down, to all the trilogy references. Most of it isn't news to me, but the Warning being confirmed as a WT demo writing. The mention of a "presence" in Bird Box. "Bleeding Through" in the lyrics for Beside You In Time, in the lyrics for Everything from HM, and again in lyrics for The Background World.

    It seems like not being able to perform against a backdrop of G.W. Bush on MTV really set Trent off.

    TDS/TF/HM thematically seem to be the 'reality' that this YZ story can't seem to wake up into, but it bleeds through the broken simulation machine. (?) Maybe that machine's the back cover of AV? Maybe the trilogy is the Bleedthrough concept fleshed out?
    I like where you are going, but I am not sure that these are all happening with that world. I think that the trilogy actually represents three different metaphors or realities for describing the same set of thoughts and feelings -

    1. NTAA - I am having nightmares? Or is this a supernatural reality? I can't tell, I feel like I am losing my mind.
    2. AV - We are in the simulation. Shout out to YZ, but this time it is much more personal.
    3. BW - Shadows on a cave wall. Plato's allegory. But we are doomed to remain in the cave.

    HM was not a part of any of this. It was about TDS and his more mature self and trying to reconcile the two.
    The Slip maintained a thread from YZ but was more about his own feelings of age and relevancy, and trying to stop overthinking and just create something intuitively.

    that's my take on it all anyway.

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    I wonder if Trent gets a good laugh over how ARG-crazy this fanbase is ever since YZ.

    I think The Warning was nothing more than a With Teeth demo that was carried over to YZ when Trent started working on that album.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gorast View Post
    I wonder if Trent gets a good laugh over how ARG-crazy this fanbase is ever since YZ.

    I think The Warning was nothing more than a With Teeth demo that was carried over to YZ when Trent started working on that album.



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    does anyone else remember 0-halo.net? the site was run by someone named Comy, and i was obsessed with the artwork they made back in my early internetting days. i remember in 7th grade, i printed out a bunch of pieces of art from that site (on cloudy sky blue printer paper) for binder covers & spines because i was ridiculous. bjork lyrics + picutres of trent together? YES PLZ.

    aaaanyway, somehow this came up tonight and my wife was like "you could see if the site is still on the wayback machine" and...it is... hard to navigate, but still there!

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    Yes, I totally remember that site. The artwork was quite beautiful. Wasn't it a Japanese site or something?

    And the printouts you did are totally like something I would have done as a teenager. I made my own binder covers with band logos all over them. I also used to go full fangirl and print out loads of NIN pics and R.E.M. pics (my two fave bands) and lyrics to jillions of songs using my school's printers and paper. The computer lab people didn't care. LOL.

    Oh, early NINternet. I can't tell you how many happy hours I logged at sites like Above The Trees, Seems Like Salvation, Smashed Up Sanity, Happiness In Slavery, that old-as-balls Jason Patterson site, etc. Or hunting down cool merch from The Weathermen!
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    Next tour, do you think TR would consider entirely shaking up the set list formula? I mean not only not ending with THTF/HLAH/Hurt, but also not following the “rule” of having to include Wish most of the time, and not always swapping out The Wretched for Something I Can Never Have following The Frail? Have entirely new openers never used before and not have any set structure with how songs need to “fit”?

    I’d adore that, even if it were only for a string of less than 20 dates. Or do 20 like that with an “Assault” set list and 20 others with a “Quiet” set list. It’s random for the ticket buyer and the Quiet shows are all seated and feature soundtrack work.

    I gotta stop daydreaming now.

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    @laststepdown - I think you mean the Art Is Resistance flag from the “Letting You” artwork rather than “Head Down”.

    Quote Originally Posted by gorast View Post
    I wonder if Trent gets a good laugh over how ARG-crazy this fanbase is ever since YZ.

    I think The Warning was nothing more than a With Teeth demo that was carried over to YZ when Trent started working on that album.
    That would make the most sense; using old ideas to create new things: the rephrasing of the virus killing the host; the celebration of ignorance line later appearing in “Ahead Of Ourselves”. “My Dead Friend” speculatively became “This Isn’t The Place”. I just wish the lyrics from “The Life You Didn’t Lead” were actually recorded, because they are so damn moving.

    The question mark was added to “Life On Mars?” in the Watchmen thread when I mentioned it was lacking it. Hopefully whoever was paying attention to that thread is reading this one as well. ;-)

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    I did yeah. Head down has the L shaped art you're right. My slip copy is sealed, but thats no excuse. Letting You & Head Down are both pretty aggressive. I just confused the two, there is ALOT of catalogued subject work, my bad. Letting You is a very politically charged song, and fits right in the YZ theme, yes, with the attitude like we (the resistance) were letting capital G get away with war crimes and submitting to all of it. Subjectively. Letting the lawman beat up the wrong guy, you know.

    Head down does talk about the feeling of it all being a dream though. The lyrics of Burning Bright "I can't tell if I'm dreaming anymore." Which fits the entire concept too.

    When Saul Williams did the tour opening for With Teeth was probably when he heard the main parts for "Skin of a Drum/The March" and they probably started the work on Year Zero right away with the Warning since it was (apparently now) the most musically finished of the then unheard 3 WT tracks.

    I could agree with the MDF -> TITP speculation, I went nuts when I heard the opening line. Old fans like myself probably shared the same freak out.

    Also fwiw to the person that said YZ ARG made fans crazy...YZ didn't make me crazy. It was way earlier than that. Somewhere around thefragile.com giving away e-mail addresses, and checking nin.com through my entire typing class and MS word class in high school for some stupid pixelated squares and feedback loops.

    I can't even go to the local NIN tribute band's show because the vocalist is terrible, doesn't even have a full octave, and belongs in a karaoke bar.

    Fuck I love this band.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laststepdown View Post
    Somewhere around thefragile.com giving away e-mail addresses.
    Wow i had completely forgotten about this. i had registered jessxe@thefragile.com and used it a bit. Thanks for bringing that up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post
    Wow i had completely forgotten about this. i had registered jessxe@thefragile.com and used it a bit. Thanks for bringing that up!
    i was ember@thefragile.com for a looooong time

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    I just saw @spahn’s post in the nincatalog thread and found the AATCHB era Q&A with Trent very interesting, especially how he describes the “Still” CD towards the end. @piggy, maybe TR’s description of Still could be added to the respective ninwiki page? Never seen this little piece before:

    http://nincatalog.com/printed-artwor...-release-1620/

    Also lol at his comment about the year 2009 at the end.

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    I've added that to the wiki page. Thanks.

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    My smartphone is more old and slow, so if I browse the intenet while listening to music the player crashes. It forces me to listen without interference.

    So: the best way to really concentrate on the music for me is to listen to it on my fucking phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SchwarzerAbt View Post
    My smartphone is more old and slow, so if I browse the intenet while listening to music the player crashes. It forces me to listen without interference.

    So: the best way to really concentrate on the music for me is to listen to it on my fucking phone.
    That’s one of the two main ways I listen to music these days as well: either in my back pocket on my phone while I’m doing housework or while driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erneuert View Post
    That’s one of the two main ways I listen to music these days as well: either in my back pocket on my phone while I’m doing housework or while driving.
    i listen to music when i drive, but i've (finally) started listening to podcasts while i do housework. it feels like i'm hanging out with people and makes it much less tedious to do things like dishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erneuert View Post
    I just saw @spahn’s post in the nincatalog thread and found the AATCHB era Q&A with Trent very interesting, especially how he describes the “Still” CD towards the end. @piggy, maybe TR’s description of Still could be added to the respective ninwiki page? Never seen this little piece before:

    http://nincatalog.com/printed-artwor...-release-1620/

    Also lol at his comment about the year 2009 at the end.
    just read that and i have to say...i don't remember there being commentary from bill viola on the dvd. will definitely be popping it in and revisiting it if that's the case!

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    Okay, since no one is going to say it, I guess I'll be the one: why on earth has "Discipline" not been used in a goddamn Pringles commercial already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erneuert View Post
    Thatís one of the two main ways I listen to music these days as well: either in my back pocket on my phone while Iím doing housework.
    I feel like a crazy person walking around my house doing stuff with one headphone in while my wife watches TV, but im probably not alone. This is probably very common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post
    I feel like a crazy person walking around my house doing stuff with one headphone in while my wife watches TV, but im probably not alone. This is probably very common.
    I do this all the time. In fact, I sleep with one in and find it difficult to stay asleep if I don't.

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    i meant with podcasts but same point.

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    So Trent gave us the Trilogy EP's, then a 3 part Watchmen Score, does this mean we're going to get a TRIPLE ALBUM?!!?

    ...almost certainly not, but it's fun to think about

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    I would shit myself if Trent brought back The Great Below live. The last few lines of the breakdown - the higher notes? Imagine him hitting those the same way he's been hitting Last - still screaming, just in that lower octave.

    Fuck, I'm getting chills just thinking about it. Or maybe it's because the heat hasn't kicked on yet. But I think it's the former.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    I would shit myself if Trent brought back The Great Below live. The last few lines of the breakdown - the higher notes? Imagine him hitting those the same way he's been hitting Last - still screaming, just in that lower octave.

    Fuck, I'm getting chills just thinking about it. Or maybe it's because the heat hasn't kicked on yet. But I think it's the former.
    Normally I don't like when bands play albums in their entirety, but playing ALL of The Fragile would be the last concert I ever need in my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post
    i meant with podcasts but same point.
    So did I.

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    I kinda wish that Manhattan Project album was real. I like the idea of Trent LARPing around Wales as Coil.

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    I wish we got more remixes with the vocal track done how Where Is Everybody? (Version) is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laststepdown View Post
    I wish we got more remixes with the vocal track done how Where Is Everybody? (Version) is.
    Gave Up
    Ruiner (version)
    Starfuckers, Inc (version) (the Clouser one)
    The Great Destroyer (Modwheelmood)
    Meet Your Master (The Faint)

    These aren't really the same, although they all edit the vocals in creative ways. I feel like The Faint attempted to emulate what TTA did with WIE? to at least some degree of success.


    I'd argue that the whole of Things Falling Apart should be in here. Damn, that album is great.


    ... and once again, I'm reminded that we haven't had a Reznor remix of any NIN material since RWIB v2, and that his remixes were always the absolute best from each era. *sigh*
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    I do not know why but listening to NIN makes me want to open up a DAW and fiddle with some noises.

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    Was looking thru the Star Wars thread out of curiosity to see what people were saying (I don't care about star wars myself, but I like to keep up with pop culture references and shit).
    Came across this quote:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wretchedest View Post
    I mean obviously if you've been on a Nine Inch Nails message board for 15 years you have some kind of emotional attachment and connection to pop culture and art. Which is fine...
    His quote goes on, but I cut it out since it's the first part that struck a chord with me to post over here... I've been coming to this forum religiously since 2002-2004ish... I just felt incredibly old all of a sudden when you realize it's a week away until the year 2020... Damn. Goddamn 2020... Man... I started listening to this band in 1998, and I know that's a drop in the bucket compare to some other people around here, but that really makes you open your eyes a bit and realize how long you've obsessed over something. I'm old.

    Like, it honestly feels like yesterday that this site crashed and needed to be rebooted, and that was almost 10 years ago!! That was in 2011. Man, does time ever fly or what.

    Just seeing that in writing about coming here for 15 years, it seems like a long time on paper, but when you actually sit down and think about it, 10 years goes by pretty damn fast. Scary fast.

    I always joke that "one day it's Christmas and then the calendar flips to the new year and all of a sudden a few days go by and it's fuckin' Christmas again!"
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    I have kind of been mulling this over in my mind about a thread based on the different versions of some tracks in the discography like March of the Pigs for example. The best version for me is the track "All the pigs are all lined up" that track is beast! would have loved to seen that done live during that last tour but i suppose we can't all have everything

    would be quite interesting (to me anyway) to hear some of the responses regarding the various versions of some tracks and which ones people prefer.

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