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    Discussing genres and recongizing them can help you notice where the artist took influences form and Trent totally took influences from specific bands and genres throughout the years. It helps you notice how music has developed, how Blues Rock would give-away to Metal, how Swan's sound would went to influence Godflesh which gave away to Industrial Metal, I think learning all of that is amazing, I do not know why some people get so angry/hostile over a genre discussion when it is a calm and collected one rather the one which gate-keeps.

    With Nine Inch Nails, I do not think it is that complicated, yes, Trent does have his own unqiue sound which he build upon over the years but the influences are obvious where they came from I would say they fit mostly Industrial Rock with various of sub-genres being attached depending on what record you are listening to with focus being also to another genre alongside Industrial Rock, but Industrial Rock is almost always present. There are expections, those being the latest Ghost records and Hesitation Marks which still has its own Industrial Rock moments in various of songs (Came Back Haunted) but at its core it is far more focused on Electronics, percussion/drum machines, And Still, of course.


    As someone who makes musc, attempting to label your own work with genres is unbelivably hard and you almost have to do it, it'S no easy feat for sure, it is interesting to hear what different people hear depending on what genre they think the music is.
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    If I'm ever in a position where I have to pin nin down to a genre I invariably say 'industrial pop'. That's not meant to be at all disparaging (Trent has frequently used the term 'pop' to describe his music). It certainly has it's more rockish moments, but still I find 'pop' better as a catchall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom View Post
    If I'm ever in a position where I have to pin nin down to a genre I invariably say 'industrial pop'. That's not meant to be at all disparaging (Trent has frequently used the term 'pop' to describe his music). It certainly has it's more rockish moments, but still I find 'pop' better as a catchall.
    Mmmmh.
    For the most part, Industrial Rock fits perfectly for me for a lot of records at least. At least for me, I will admit that even when Trent writes more abbrasively his songs tend to have a lot of hooks, but I am still not sure if I could call majority of his works Poppish even if it is full of hooks. It is certainly not on the same level as Ministry or Skinny Puppy, obviously.

    A lot of Industrial Rock can be very accessible already and NIN's focus on Rock is quite major for the most part when you look through their discography.

    But!

    I will admit that there are specific works in NIN which are far more leaning into Pop territory than others and do not put big emphasis on Rock instrumentals...specifically Pretty Hate Machine and Hesitation Marks.

    I guess this may sound dumb but I was considering that NIN can be Synth-Poppy when this happens? Like Pretty Hate Machine and Hesitation Marks..I was considering those were partly Synthpop but I can't say that with much of confidence. I am conflicted with Hesitation Marks in particular, if it's SynthPop or EBM

    Industrial Pop sounds like an interesting term, but, it's not quite established and has never really been used by anybody so I do not know what it would consist of and how you would seperate Industrial Rock from Industrial Pop.

    Actually!

    Maybe EBM is "Industrial Pop"? One of its alternative names is "Industrial Dance" So maybe that could fit this side of NIN?

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    Honestly, aside from Broken and The Downward Spiral, I wouldn't really call Nine Inch Nails industrial. After The Downward Spiral era, Trent made an effort to distance himself from that label. I certainly wouldn't call anything after that album industrial, although there are industrial tinges that are present on some tracks that followed it.

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    Tbh NIN almost were never full-blown "Industrial" I think the only full-blown Industrial thing NIN did back then was probably Quake Soundtrack, but almost always were Industrial Rock, even "With_Teeth" has a lot of moments which fit the Industrial Rock imho and that is probably the closets he has come to Alt.Rock in his career.
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    I never really think of NIN in a genre. If I want to listen to NIN, it's a certain album or (the horror!) a mix I've made. But most of the music I listen to in that fashion. I'm in the mood for the artist, not the genre.
    Maybe I'll go from Verve's Stormcloud in Heave to DM's Song of Faith and Devotion...there's blends or "genres" if you must. Asobi Seksu and Slowdive blend well.

    But rarely do I mix my listening of NIN. From the harder to the softer...I don't see the point.

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    Regarding the discussion of NINs lyrics from a few days ago: Yesterday there was an article on The Quietus (founded by the guy who wrote TDS DLX liner notes) by a singer about Cormac McCarthy. In it he posed the question of how to write lyrics knowing he won't ever be able to reach the levels of acclaimed authors such as McCarthy. Here are some quotes:

    So-called “creatives” waste giant swathes of our lives trying to find new ways to articulate universal experiences. As soldiers in the war of expression we come armed to the teeth with hubris. Our feelings run so much deeper than those of civilians who rely on our work to escape from or make sense of their excruciatingly basic lives. We are artists. Art is sacred. Bow the fuck down.

    Of course, this sentiment is by and large bullshit. What I am trying to say through a metric ton of overwrought hyperbole is: We sure think we’re special. There are exceptions, but generally even the humblest among us have a bug up their ass about their work carrying a degree of importance.

    Like so many boring middle-aged men, I am constantly trying to rip off Mr. McCarthy in my own half-cocked way. I write songs about isolation and alienation, loneliness and regret. My work is a banal prayer for redemption, peppered with moments of hope among ubiquitous violence. There is little to nothing original about what I write, and I am at peace with that. I write about subjects that I identify with, in a manner that makes sense to me. I write for spiritual and psychological release. I write because, although conceptually unoriginal, the thing that I want to create doesn’t quite exist yet.

    Now, what the fuck does any of this have to do with Cormac McCarthy?

    Everything he does has been done before, he just does it better than most. I try to keep this example in mind every time I start writing weird for the sake of writing weird. There’s no need to reinvent the wheel when your goal is to make something relatable. Now, I’ll never be one iota as good as Cormac McCarthy at anything at all but if he’s content to walk in the shadow of giants maybe I should worry less about being original and more about not falling on my fucking face while trying to structure a sentence.
    https://thequietus.com/articles/2877...i-have-learned

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    Today is the 11 year anniversary of the Webster Hall TDS show. Going to watch the video later today. This still remains my #1 all time show of any band. Such a great memory.

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    I love that the industrial argument rages on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tap3worm View Post
    I love that the industrial argument rages on.
    Reminds me of this exchange on RateYourMusic's With_Teeth's genre voting comment section.



    Love it.



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    Does this remind you of anything?



    (Sorry for the shitty song)

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    I woke up today to find myself finding The Slip a 10/10
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    Quote Originally Posted by fillow View Post
    Does this remind you of anything?



    (Sorry for the shitty song)
    Holy fucking shit. I assume Mark Romanek will be filing suit any moment‽ Unless this is like some Cyrillic Weird-Al shit. Goddamn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fillow View Post
    Does this remind you of anything?



    (Sorry for the shitty song)
    [insert terrible Russian reversal joke here]

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    Quote Originally Posted by katara View Post
    Sounds like the beginning of an Even Deeper parody.
    Wasn't intending it to but I edited it to be even more like Even Deeper

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    Quote Originally Posted by fillow View Post
    Does this remind you of anything?



    (Sorry for the shitty song)
    I listened to damn near the entire track before I realized it was in reference to the video.

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    Could be seen as an ode to the original, or a straight copy. now we need another copy to get a copy of a copy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Detunez View Post
    Could be seen as an ode to the original, or a straight copy. now we need another copy to get a copy of a copy.
    That's more than an ode. Smashing Pumpkins' "Tonight, Tonight" is an ode to Georges Méliès Trip to the Moon. This is something else.

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    Given the sheer quantity of interviews for Watchmen and knowing Mank is Oscar bait and Pixar films tend to be Oscar nominated, we’ll probably get no press for new NIN as theyll be so burnt out on interviews!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorzelG View Post
    Given the sheer quantity of interviews for Watchmen and knowing Mank is Oscar bait and Pixar films tend to be Oscar nominated, we’ll probably get no press for new NIN as theyll be so burnt out on interviews!
    You're most likely correct. Their schedules are sure to be flooded.

    We already got new NIN this year, so that alongside all these new soundtracks, plus the fact that they can't tour a new album right now due to CV19 means that we probably won't hear anything else NIN-related until 2021.

    Honestly, I'm so burnt out on soundtrack stuff that it feels like we haven't had a NIN release since Bad Witch three years ago. Sorry to be controversial; I'm just impatient to hear TR's voice again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katara View Post
    You're most likely correct. Their schedules are sure to be flooded.

    We already got new NIN this year, so that alongside all these new soundtracks, plus the fact that they can't tour a new album right now due to CV19 means that we probably won't hear anything else NIN-related until 2021.

    Honestly, I'm so burnt out on soundtrack stuff that it feels like we haven't had a NIN release since Bad Witch three years ago. Sorry to be controversial; I'm just impatient to hear TR's voice again.
    What? The 2 seconds of Trent's discernible voice at the end of Babysitter didn't do it for you?

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    Bad Witch (Trilogy iin general) has some of the best vocals Trent has gave us in a while, Shit Mirror's aggressive vocals are so good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HWB View Post
    Bad Witch (Trilogy iin general) has some of the best vocals Trent has gave us in a while, Shit Mirror's aggressive vocals are so good!
    100% agreed. and i actually love that in the live version, robin got to do those vocals, because his voice is perfect for them.

    i still think that "this isn't the place" is one of trent's best vocal performances ever, and that song is easily in my top 5 NIN songs of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    i still think that "this isn't the place" is one of trent's best vocal performances ever, and that song is easily in my top 5 NIN songs of all time.
    I swear to God, Trent sounds like he is sobbing through that song when his vocals enter, it may be one of the more depressing NIN songs of all time after Trent indeed confirmed it is about Bowie, utterly heart-breaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HWB View Post
    Trent indeed confirmed it is about Bowie, utterly heart-breaking.
    Do you have a source handy for this? I'd never heard that.

    Given the presumed themes of the Trilogy at the point this record was released, I assumed it was a fleshed out version of "My Dead Friend" from the With Teeth sessions. Something that might have come earlier on the record and acted as a paired bookend with "Beside You in Time." Which is probably where it'll remain for me, thanks to three years of thinking about this every time it played. But hearing the actual story would be cool, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesquipedalism View Post
    Do you have a source handy for this? I'd never heard that.

    Given the presumed themes of the Trilogy at the point this record was released, I assumed it was a fleshed out version of "My Dead Friend" from the With Teeth sessions. Something that might have come earlier on the record and acted as a paired bookend with "Beside You in Time." Which is probably where it'll remain for me, thanks to three years of thinking about this every time it played. But hearing the actual story would be cool, too.
    After This Isn't The Place was been played at Phoenix Broken Show Trent said this;

    “That was written about a friend of mine, & we actually worked on this next song a few years back”.

    And then he jumped into "I'm Afraid Of Americans".

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    Speaking of the trilogy, this album artwork always strikes me as very similar to the frontcover of Bad Witch. The fact it's also a 6 song mini-LP is funny, too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by r_z View Post
    Speaking of the trilogy, this album artwork always strikes me as very similar to the frontcover of Bad Witch. The fact it's also a 6 song mini-LP is funny, too.
    Never heard it. It'd be very hard to claim it wasn't an inspiration, any parallels or connections?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ekrekel View Post
    Never heard it. It'd be very hard to claim it wasn't an inspiration, any parallels or connections?
    It's New Wave from 1983. So in terms of style it's vastly different. But as with many albums by Nelson (who's been an influence on Bowie ca Earthling era and also worked with Gary Numan) it's also musically very adventurous. That might be a parallel. Though I would be surprised if TR ever heard it.

    But judge for yourself. Here are two songs, the first one being the lead single:




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    Quote Originally Posted by ekrekel View Post
    Never heard it. It'd be very hard to claim it wasn't an inspiration, any parallels or connections?
    I like that album! Never occured to me that the cover art was similar, because I owned it on a CD packaged with a different cover (from Savage Gestures for Charm's Sake, another mini-album). It's pretty, moody, new wave dreampop. Not much connection to the sound of Bad Witch (except mayyybe for the beat of "Over and Out"?)...
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