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    I really don't like how there's no live drums on Only anymore in live performances. I loved that version from the 2013 shows where it was the same intro as the album version but with Ilan playing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nooneimportant View Post
    I really don't like how there's no live drums on Only anymore in live performances. I loved that version from the 2013 shows where it was the same intro as the album version but with Ilan playing it.
    i just want them to play the El-P remix of it live because it's so much better

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    I found the Perfect Drug single at my local record shop today! I didn't know the Australian version included the original mix along with the other remixes. It was an awesome surprise to stumble across it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by acrid avid jam shred View Post
    I found the Perfect Drug single at my local record shop today! I didn't know the Australian version included the original mix along with the other remixes. It was an awesome surprise to stumble across it!
    Lucky bastard

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    Trent is very smart doing the shows in Asia. Once they love you over there, it never goes away.

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    It dawned on me today that it's actually been a couple of years since I listened to "Hurt". I guess between listening to TDS a thousand times, then the Cash cover, then just generally hearing references to it in pop culture for years I needed a bit of a break from it.

    Re-listening to songs that are emotionally powerfully after not hearing them for a while sort of brings the magic back of hearing them for the first time. What a beautiful, haunting, song: really kind of wrenches your soul.

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    Listening to "And All That Could Have Been" today, I think I know why it may have been left off of The Fragile. Structurally, it's fairly similar to "The Day The World Went Away". You have a quiet beginning that heads into a wall of fuzzed-out guitar and plodding drums, followed by another quiet section (the former features loud strumming guitar in this section, which is where it breaks away from the structure), then finishing with an even bigger wall of fuzzed-out guitar and plodding drums. As an experiment, try singing the final lyrics to AATCHB in your head in time to the end of TDTWWA and you might see what I mean. Anyway, it would seem that there was only space for one song like that on the album, and AATCHB lost out in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    Listening to "And All That Could Have Been" today, I think I know why it may have been left off of The Fragile. Structurally, it's fairly similar to "The Day The World Went Away". You have a quiet beginning that heads into a wall of fuzzed-out guitar and plodding drums, followed by another quiet section (the former features loud strumming guitar in this section, which is where it breaks away from the structure), then finishing with an even bigger wall of fuzzed-out guitar and plodding drums. As an experiment, try singing the final lyrics to AATCHB in your head in time to the end of TDTWWA and you might see what I mean. Anyway, it would seem that there was only space for one song like that on the album, and AATCHB lost out in the end.
    i don't know if i agree

    there's no drums in the studio version of TDTWWA
    the verses of AATCHB are in 13/8
    emotionally, TDTWWA is triumphant and AATCHB is filled with despair

    i think it's simply more likely that the song wasn't composed (or at least not completed) until after the fragile's release. i feel like if it had been around during the sessions for the fragile, we would have gotten some kind of instrumental version of Deviations. it's such a unique piece of music in the NIN canon and i'm actually glad it wasn't on The Fragile because it fits so perfectly on Still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    i don't know if i agree

    there's no drums in the studio version of TDTWWA
    the verses of AATCHB are in 13/8
    emotionally, TDTWWA is triumphant and AATCHB is filled with despair

    i think it's simply more likely that the song wasn't composed (or at least not completed) until after the fragile's release. i feel like if it had been around during the sessions for the fragile, we would have gotten some kind of instrumental version of Deviations. it's such a unique piece of music in the NIN canon and i'm actually glad it wasn't on The Fragile because it fits so perfectly on Still.
    agree with you 100%. AATCHB is one of my all time favs. If the notes are similar to TDTWWA (another all time favorite) it may be intentional. Like a reprise for side 2, but probably not. It is a very unique song for sure. We have an odd NIN guitar sound in the beginning, the beat is made of weird sounds, we have what sounds like acoustic guitar (or a parker fly) in the middle (my favorite part), the huge final chorus. Its perfect.

    The song that reminds me of it, almost to the point of a rip off, is grand canyon by MJK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EndlessLoveless View Post
    The song that reminds me of it, almost to the point of a rip off, is grand canyon by MJK.
    IMO, MJK wishes he was TR...and is farrrrr from it. Give me the worst NIN song over the best Pucifer song any day.

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    I love the Zoo Station cover even more than I used to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizfan View Post
    I love the Zoo Station cover even more than I used to.
    Definitely the most underrated cover in the NIN catalog.

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    And All That Could Have Been > The Day The World Went Away

    And All That Could Have Been should have closed The Fragile in my book.

    I like Ripe (With Decay), but after the two disc opus that is The Fragile, I feel it's bit of a blah ending. And All That Could Have Been is quite powerful and moving and shows in the end that he is still fragile and broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neorev View Post
    And All That Could Have Been > The Day The World Went Away

    And All That Could Have Been should have closed The Fragile in my book.

    I like Ripe (With Decay), but after the two disc opus that is The Fragile, I feel it's bit of a blah ending. And All That Could Have Been is quite powerful and moving and shows in the end that he is still fragile and broken.
    It's possible it wasn't written during The Fragile sessions, due to it being included on a release that happened a full 3 years later.

    Unless it's a confirmed outtake from The Fragile

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulerage View Post
    It's possible it wasn't written during The Fragile sessions, due to it being included on a release that happened a full 3 years later.

    Unless it's a confirmed outtake from The Fragile
    I’m pretty sure in an interview Trent mentioned it not being part of The Fragile sessions.

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    I wonder which tracks on Still are Fragile outtakes then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertigo View Post
    I wonder which tracks on Still are Fragile outtakes then?
    "Adrift and At Peace" would be, TR said it's the so-called conclusion to (and probably originally was recorded as a variation on) "La Mer", though that's it as far as official confirmation goes. The other original tracks were all started and finished in 2001 as far as we know.
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    How am I now only hearing this song?? Jesus it's like PHM's long lost twin.

    Sister Machine Gun - Sins of the Flesh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertigo View Post
    I wonder which tracks on Still are Fragile outtakes then?
    Hard to say. "Adrift And At Peace" seems possible since Trent mentioned that it serves as a conclusion to La Mer. My guess is that the other instrumentals were pieces that evolved from the aborted One Hour Photo score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertigo View Post
    I wonder which tracks on Still are Fragile outtakes then?
    Pretty sure 'AATCHB' is a Fragile outtake.....The booklet lists the credits and Keith Hillebrandt is listed. He only worked with NIN up til 2000 and left after the Fragility tour ended....I think ninwiki even listed it as a Fragile outtake

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    Wow spotify is hitting me with NIN style songs today; and some similarities....


    FRONT 242 - Tragedy >For You<

    SOUNDS LIKE

    'Happiness In Slavery - Remix' (Fixed) starting at 1:50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    Pretty sure 'AATCHB' is a Fragile outtake.....The booklet lists the credits and Keith Hillebrandt is listed. He only worked with NIN up til 2000 and left after the Fragility tour ended....I think ninwiki even listed it as a Fragile outtake
    Hillebrandt is listed for tdtwwa which was recorded in 2000

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    My YT page had this today and thought it was cool:

    https://imgur.com/a/31VB616

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    Can't wait for a Still reissue remaster so I can make my own Fragile expanded. Also need Things Falling Apart reissued and remastered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    Pretty sure 'AATCHB' is a Fragile outtake.....The booklet lists the credits and Keith Hillebrandt is listed. He only worked with NIN up til 2000 and left after the Fragility tour ended....I think ninwiki even listed it as a Fragile outtake
    Hillebrandt is listed on every Still song for programming. There's no way to differentiate the chronology from the album credits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seasonsinthesky View Post
    Hillebrandt is listed on every Still song for programming. There's no way to differentiate the chronology from the album credits.
    There was a Direct TV interview from 2002. I thought it was in that interview where he mentioned recording it after the tour. I skimmed through it on YouTube, but didn’t hear that part. Does that sound familiar to anyone else? I feel like it was longer when I saw it originally than what is on YouTube.

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    Hillebrandt is also on Deep, fwiw

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    It took me about twenty years of listening to the album version of "Sin" to figure out what the high-pitched squealing noise was on the introduction (just as the hi-hat pattern enters, it starts on the left side of the stereo image, then pans to the other side and back; crops up again several times throughout). Always thought maybe it was a violin sample, or something like that, but then TR casually dropped a truth-bomb in a recent interview that there was "sax on Pretty Hate Machine" and my brain — after a few moments of "WTF is he talking about, 'Purest Feeling' isn't on the album" — went "oh fuck, that noise is a saxophone played in the altissimo range with over-blowing". If you pitch shift it down a couple of tones this is easier to hear, but I'm pretty sure now that's exactly what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    It took me about twenty years of listening to the album version of "Sin" to figure out what the high-pitched squealing noise was on the introduction (just as the hi-hat pattern enters, it starts on the left side of the stereo image, then pans to the other side and back; crops up again several times throughout). Always thought maybe it was a violin sample, or something like that, but then TR casually dropped a truth-bomb in a recent interview that there was "sax on Pretty Hate Machine" and my brain — after a few moments of "WTF is he talking about, 'Purest Feeling' isn't on the album" — went "oh fuck, that noise is a saxophone played in the altissimo range with over-blowing". If you pitch shift it down a couple of tones this is easier to hear, but I'm pretty sure now that's exactly what it is.
    i had that same thought and then never got around to investigating it so THANK YOU!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    It took me about twenty years of listening to the album version of "Sin" to figure out what the high-pitched squealing noise was on the introduction (just as the hi-hat pattern enters, it starts on the left side of the stereo image, then pans to the other side and back; crops up again several times throughout). Always thought maybe it was a violin sample, or something like that, but then TR casually dropped a truth-bomb in a recent interview that there was "sax on Pretty Hate Machine" and my brain — after a few moments of "WTF is he talking about, 'Purest Feeling' isn't on the album" — went "oh fuck, that noise is a saxophone played in the altissimo range with over-blowing". If you pitch shift it down a couple of tones this is easier to hear, but I'm pretty sure now that's exactly what it is.
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