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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    Here’s an idea for Tool: once the new album drops, relaease ALL your previous material digitally. Everything at once.
    That's essentially what I was saying above. At this point, it seems to me that would be the smart move. Either to put the back catalog up once they announce the new album so that the buzz generated by the announcement encourages people to go listen to the old Tool stuff to get hyped, or to release it all simultaneously (I think the former would be the smarter decision from a marketing standpoint).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonic_discord View Post
    That's essentially what I was saying above. At this point, it seems to me that would be the smart move. Either to put the back catalog up once they announce the new album so that the buzz generated by the announcement encourages people to go listen to the old Tool stuff to get hyped, or to release it all simultaneously (I think the former would be the smarter decision from a marketing standpoint).
    Oops... my bad Sonic. Yes you did.

    Long day here and skimmed through some posts unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    Oops... my bad Sonic. Yes you did.

    Long day here and skimmed through some posts unfortunately.
    No big deal, great minds think alike. Let's hope we're right. I can't wait until they give us something concrete like the album title, album cover, release date, tracklisting, first single, etc.

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    I'm not sure it's necessarily a given that a streaming presence will give Tool too much of a revenue boost...

    I don't think it should be discounted just how much the mystique Tool consciously generates plays into their popularity. I suppose it's not something that can be quantified, but it's definitely there. Very few bands can tour annually for well over a decade on no new music and not see the audience at their shows decline in number. I love Tool but I find it hard to chalk that up entirely to the strength of their performances. Frankly, being such an apparently massively popular band that, despite being still active as a group, isn't on streaming services is something that strikes up conversation about them. Combine that with decades of active obfuscation and cock-teasing from the Tool machine about some of the most minor details, a steady stream of condescension and sarcasm, and a pinch of "front-man who's been wearing disguises since before you could just google him" and you end up with the ability to transform a small amount of product into a large amount of revenue with the power of buzz and speculation alone.

    Like Maynard says, "I've made a career out of not giving away the whole farm."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Seaward View Post
    I'm not sure it's necessarily a given that a streaming presence will give Tool too much of a revenue boost...

    I don't think it should be discounted just how much the mystique Tool consciously generates plays into their popularity. I suppose it's not something that can be quantified, but it's definitely there. Very few bands can tour annually for well over a decade on no new music and not see the audience at their shows decline in number. I love Tool but I find it hard to chalk that up entirely to the strength of their performances. Frankly, being such an apparently massively popular band that, despite being still active as a group, isn't on streaming services is something that strikes up conversation about them. Combine that with decades of active obfuscation and cock-teasing from the Tool machine about some of the most minor details, a steady stream of condescension and sarcasm, and a pinch of "front-man who's been wearing disguises since before you could just google him" and you end up with the ability to transform a small amount of product into a large amount of revenue with the power of buzz and speculation alone.

    Like Maynard says, "I've made a career out of not giving away the whole farm."
    I’d love to get remastered versions of the albums. Maybe pull a Led Zeppelin and put out demos and early mixes—even instrumental mixes.

    We know there’s possible bonus material in something like the Opiate re-recording (the curveball) and probably a lot of live stuff that never saw the light of day.

    Not to mention the likelihood of videos being released (possibly remastered for HD) and there’s definitely potential for some revenue generation.

    Either way, I doubt they’d be able to recoup costs on a new album without a digital release.


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    why CAN'T the new tool album be stunning/groundbreaking?
    LIke, their catalog is damn near perfect. And I don't think they need the money. Therefore, I KIND of feel like Adam, Danny and Justin wouldn't be making this record of they didn't feel like they had something interesting to say; some new ideas. Tool has always been about evolution and progression: I mean, compare Opiate to Undertow to Aenima.
    I'm expecting this record to reinforce the themes and statements of Aenima and Lateralus, but in an evolved way. I'm honestly expecting a fucking masterpiece.

    That being said, I'm slightly frightened that it will suck, too.

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    I think a lot of people will be disappointed - at first, at least - by the new album.

    Not because it's not good.
    Not because it's not great.

    But because of how long it's been. Expectations will be too high. We tend to like songs MORE after we've heard them a few times and gotten to know them than we do when we hear them for the first time, although I think many people don't consciously recognize this. But given how long it's been since 10,000 Days came out, people will think that there's been so much work on this that every single second of the album is going to have them on the brink of orgasm or something, and anything less will be a disappointment.

    Just hope that people actually give it time before whining about anything.

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    I'm in a good position in that I'm a Tool fan, but not rabid enough that I've been waiting. I rarely think about them unless I hear a song on the radio or someone brings them up. Put it up for pre-order and I'll buy it.

    There are bands out there that I'm chomping at the bit for a new release, so I certainly respect those fans.

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    I heard Descending. It wasn't anything spectacular. But hearing something "new" from Tool, it did felt special. I have high hopes I will enjoy it "for what it is". Hell, I like Moneyshot and Eat the Elephant, so that bar ain't high for me regarding what I want from Maynard. I want more songs to listen to. That's pretty much it.

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    As long as Danny brings his all it can't be bad. I could listen to a whole album of his percussion solo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    Just hope that people actually give it time before whining about anything.
    There will be whining. And there definitely will be trolling right away- probably from people who have to listen to new NIN 250 times... through $1,000.00 headphones... on multiple halucinegens... before finally “getting it”.

    Heh.

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    Speaking of Descending: I see it listed in some places as “A/Descending”. What’s the significance of that, does anyone know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erneuert View Post
    Speaking of Descending: I see it listed in some places as “A/Descending”. What’s the significance of that, does anyone know?
    Maybe like Ascending / Descending

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixML View Post
    I heard Descending. It wasn't anything spectacular. But hearing something "new" from Tool, it did felt special. I have high hopes I will enjoy it "for what it is". Hell, I like Moneyshot and Eat the Elephant, so that bar ain't high for me regarding what I want from Maynard. I want more songs to listen to. That's pretty much it.
    They debuted riffs of Wings/10,000 Days during the Lateralus tour in the exact same manner they did A/Descending. Based on that, I have high hopes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    I think a lot of people will be disappointed - at first, at least - by the new album.

    Not because it's not good.
    Not because it's not great.

    But because of how long it's been. Expectations will be too high. We tend to like songs MORE after we've heard them a few times and gotten to know them than we do when we hear them for the first time, although I think many people don't consciously recognize this. But given how long it's been since 10,000 Days came out, people will think that there's been so much work on this that every single second of the album is going to have them on the brink of orgasm or something, and anything less will be a disappointment.

    Just hope that people actually give it time before whining about anything.
    I remember saying 10,000 days was a bomb but now I absolutely love that album. I feel like you need to really soak up the album by listening to it 20x or so before you begin to peel the layers away and understand what they were trying to do/say. I agree that this new album will be very hard to get into based on what I just wrote along with the time gap between albums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealNs1 View Post
    They debuted riffs of Wings/10,000 Days during the Lateralus tour in the exact same manner they did A/Descending. Based on that, I have high hopes.
    At the time, it was said that they jumped in the studio right after the tour to get down some riffs that they had done on tour. I’m willing to bet it was just something they were using as an interlude and it happened to really sparked something.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NotoriousTIMP View Post
    I remember saying 10,000 days was a bomb but now I absolutely love that album. I feel like you need to really soak up the album by listening to it 20x or so before you begin to peel the layers away and understand what they were trying to do/say. I agree that this new album will be very hard to get into based on what I just wrote along with the time gap between albums.
    Agreed. Though I will never understand the relevance of Lipan Conjuring and Viginti Tres.

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    https://twitter.com/mjkeenan/status/1083178774152134661


    MJK admitting on twitter the band isn't communicating
    Kiss 2020 goodbye for new Tool

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
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    Need a "Jump to Conclusions" mat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    https://twitter.com/mjkeenan/status/1083178774152134661


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    I'm not jumping to conclusions and really I'm not surprised with their working relationship but It does make me rethink some of Maynard's progress updates, like when he says "final vocals tracked months ago"... what does that even mean? Did he and the band actually come to an agreement and lock them in or will they come back later and say.... "uhhh dude yeah... doesn't sit right with us, try again Maynard".

    All i can say is I'm glad I'm not a member of this band lol i can just imagine the stress and while I'm pretty easy-going i don't think I'd be zen or patient enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
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    I can't imagine that they would be this far along (according to his own reports) and not be able to get over the finish line in the next two years. Of course, I'm new to Tool so I have not been waiting as long as you all have, so maybe I am not appreciating the reality of the situation. Also, I had to chuckle at this Twitter response: "Maybe you guys are doomed to crumble unless you grow and strengthen your communication."

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    Are you SERIOUSLY jumping at this? This is classic Maynard trolling on autopilot, jesus.
    Shitty alternative metal clickbait website articles incoming in 3... 2... 1...
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    I mean, it’s not like they aren’t states apart with their own families and side projects and companies.


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    That’s been their relationship for probably 20 years now. Weird that he tweeted it but it’s not CNN breaking news either.

    I doubt the other three members even care about it.

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    You can't really jump to conclusions when you're declaring skepticism about a Tool release.

    Anyway if he'll freezes over and this thing does come out, my expectations are already quite low. That APC release was so absurdly bad it's hard for me to have any faith in what comes next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wretchedest View Post
    You can't really jump to conclusions when you're declaring skepticism about a Tool release.

    Anyway if he'll freezes over and this thing does come out, my expectations are already quite low. That APC release was so absurdly bad it's hard for me to have any faith in what comes next.
    Sorry, you misspelled “fantastic.”


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    I love how people are still insisting that Adam Jones' new album will be terrible because of what they thought of another band that shares the same singer, as though the two are even remotely related at all when it comes to songwriting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    That’s been their relationship for probably 20 years now. Weird that he tweeted it but it’s not CNN breaking news either.
    Actually, given the kind of trivial celebrity bullshit that CNN would call breaking news......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    https://twitter.com/mjkeenan/status/1083178774152134661


    MJK admitting on twitter the band isn't communicating
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    When I read something like that, my mind reminds me of the reworked version of Pushit from Salival. That didn’t just happen spontaneously; a lot of communication would have been involved. Just sounds like the usual Maynard saying Maynard things to get a kick out of speculations.

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    They’re all older guys with their own families and side projects. IIRC, Danny had a business and obviously Maynard has his wine, Puscifer, and APC. Maynard live in AZ and I think the other still live in or around LA.

    The band has previously said they do share stuff via a Dropbox and are in communication. But I’m willing to bet they don’t text each other all day. Maybe a monthly or weekly phone call.

    It’s a generational thing.


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