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    Quote Originally Posted by Wretchedest View Post
    You can't really jump to conclusions when you're declaring skepticism about a Tool release.

    Anyway if he'll freezes over and this thing does come out, my expectations are already quite low. That APC release was so absurdly bad it's hard for me to have any faith in what comes next.
    This all day. I don't think I have given any other album so much benefit of the doubt before, aside from Coheed's new album... They are both stinkers.

    Maynard just seems to be doing Maynard things as usual. Stopped looking into his "Cryptic" posts a long time ago...beating the same horse, I'll see it when I see it.

    To add... I wouldn't mind every song being at the 10 minute mark. It really depends on what they're going for thematically that warrants such runtimes.
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    The connection in Jambi between Danny and Justin is incredible! Check from 58:40 until 59:15, Justin signals precisely when Danny hits the electronic drums during the first verse of the song, and then they lock eyes in order for Justin to come in at the right time. Amazing. Completely live! I watched this part on repeat quite a few times


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    MJK trolling fans so hard on twitter these days.

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    I personally won't be surprised if this is the last Tool record.

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    I honestly think this won't be the last album. This is their last contracted one, but I imagine they'll do the same thing as TR. Go independent and sign a single album distribution deal when they have new material. That way they don't have the pressure from the fans expecting something the way they do when everyone knows that they're legally obligated to release something. For the last thirteen years everyone knew there was gonna be another album, and people are just impatient. If there's not an expectation of an album they can take all the time they want and release something like TR did. TR took that indefinite NIN hiatus after 2009, then "Hi, here's Hesitation Marks" sort of outta nowhere. If no one is expecting more material there will be less reason for people to whine about how long it takes before they get more material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    I honestly think this won't be the last album. This is their last contracted one, but I imagine they'll do the same thing as TR. Go independent and sign a single album distribution deal when they have new material. That way they don't have the pressure from the fans expecting something the way they do when everyone knows that they're legally obligated to release something. For the last thirteen years everyone knew there was gonna be another album, and people are just impatient. If there's not an expectation of an album they can take all the time they want and release something like TR did. TR took that indefinite NIN hiatus after 2009, then "Hi, here's Hesitation Marks" sort of outta nowhere. If no one is expecting more material there will be less reason for people to whine about how long it takes before they get more material.
    Yeah, but if you're gonna compare TR and MJK....

    MJK has his own band (Puscifer) that he actually has creative control over, his own vineyard (which is not just "my-name-is-on-this"), ANOTHER band to sing in that flies much lower under the radar (APC)...and a severe distaste for "celebrity".

    I can see Tool shows continuing at a small trickle for a while still, but I cannot see him being excited to devote any time to new material for it, no matter how much of a driven and heavy worker he is.

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    Don't get me wrong, I think we'll see way more Puscifer releases than Tool in the future. Maynard doesn't really have to wait on people for that, and he can just drop a single song or an EP here and there whenever he feels like it. He has the freedom to work whenever he feels like scheduling some studio time around the vineyard. With Tool and APC it's a collaborative effort, but I think he enjoys it when people have their shit together and are ready to get things done. I'm not saying another album is gonna happen soon, but I doubt this is the end of the whole thing. Adam, Danny and Justin surely will continue messing around and will eventually come up with something in their own time, and if they lock something in I'm sure Maynard doesn't mind having an alternate outlet for expression.

    Maynard is mostly irritated at the constant hounding from fans, and I think the hounding is only exacerbated by the other three guys, for the last five years, saying "It's almost done" leading a lot of people to place the blame for the delays on Maynard. I've heard a lot of people saying the album is taking so long because Maynard is too busy in the vineyard or with Puscifer to make time for Tool, when it's the opposite. He's doing those things while waiting for the guys to finish something that he can record vocals to.

    Remove all of that pressure, and the guys won't feel the need to constantly placate the fans by telling them something is almost done, and I think Maynard will be less irritable about the whole situation. I'm also sure for the rest of Maynard's days he's ALWAYS going to be asked about potential new Tool material in interviews, and after this album he can easily kill that question with "Not likely" instead of trying to explain why the process is taking so long. I have a a strong feeling none of the guys would answer that question with a definite no.

    It honestly wouldn't bother me if this WAS the last album, but I have a hard time believing the passion that these guys have creating and playing together is just going to disappear as soon as the contract is fulfilled. I could also see them focusing on EP releases in the distant future where they don't have to crank out eight or nine songs at a time because they're contractually obligated to an LP. Tool releases will probably become WAY more leisurely in the future, but I don't think they'll stop altogether.

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    Puscifer seems to have settled into being a collaborative effort between the three of MJK, Carina Round and Mat Mitchell at this point, but yeah I agree that that's probably currently the most convenient musical outlet for him these days. My only real concern for the new Tool album is that MJK might phone it in or just treat it like some kind of obligatory job instead of something he actually has any passion for or interest in. Given how detached he appears to be from the rest of the band lately, that's probably plausible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halo eighteen View Post
    My only real concern for the new Tool album is that MJK might phone it in or just treat it like some kind of obligatory job instead of something he actually has any passion for or interest in. Given how detached he appears to be from the rest of the band lately, that's probably plausible.
    I doubt it. At the end of the day, Maynard is the face of Tool. It's the band he's most known for and the reason he's famous. People have already placed all the blame for the new album's delays on him; he's not going to "phone it in" and let everyone pin the blame on him for making the album shitty, too. Obviously, time will tell here, but given that there are millions of fans (and magazines and reviewers, etc.) waiting with bated breath, he's not just going to half-ass it. The spotlight is on Maynard, not Danny, not Justin (maybe a little on Adam, but nowhere near as much). Hell, I bet most fans don't even know the names of the other band members aside from Maynard. I'm sure he's aware that Tool's (often shitty) fanbase wouldn't hesitate for a moment to throw him under the bus if they detected a lack of effort/interest on his part.

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    I’m not worried about MJK phoning it in. Why would he? I’m more concerned that AJ hasn’t evolved at all and is gonna chug 0 for an entire album.


    That said, I think the album will be good. I’m sure they will put out something consistent with their previous works. Hell, if I get to hear some new Danny rage on the drums, I’ll be happy.

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