Tool

[Ryan]

Not sure if we're going to have a Tool sub-forum again. Use this in the meantime, ja?

[Leviathant]

(If the thread gets active enough to warrant the subforum, we'll reinstate it then)

[elevenism]

(If the thread gets active enough to warrant the subforum, we'll reinstate it then)

This was a LONG time ago, this quote.
It comes, from, what... the first WEEK of the new board? sO much has changed.

So, I'm wondering if it still stands, @Leviathant , what you said in 2011. I'm thinking that ETS will likely experience more discussions regarding Tool, than NIN, this fall

[Amaro]

Good idea.

I love Tool, but I would prefer a one-stop shop this time. Plus, I don't think new album anticipative excitement will match that of the 10,000 Days level to need an exclusive forum. (I could be wrong.)

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Have you ever bowled to the sounds of Jimmy?

[Leviathant]

I don't think new album anticipative excitement will match that of the 10,000 Days level to need an exclusive forum.

I started the Tool Hotline because of 10,000 days, and it gets next to no traffic. The Tool fan machine ain't what it used to be.

[Ryan]

I started the Tool Hotline because of 10,000 days, and it gets next to no traffic. The Tool fan machine ain't what it used to be.

Yeah, Lateralus was the pinnacle. I knew deep down it would never get better than that 2001 era.

[iamanexit]

Yeah, Lateralus was the pinnacle. I knew deep down it would never get better than that 2001 era.

Unfortunately.

[ManBurning]

I'm just lucky I caught a show on that tour in 2002, that was a damn good TOOL show!

[theruiner]

Yeah, Lateralus was the pinnacle. I knew deep down it would never get better than that 2001 era.

Yeah, honestly, I don't expect them to ever top Lateralus. I'd like to be wrong about that, but I doubt it will happen.

That being said, I'm not looking for them to top it. I'd be perfectly happy with a good album; I don't expect them to top themselves now. 10,000 Days was such a massive letdown that I think they can't go anywhere but up at this point.

[Emil Dorbell]

Yeah, honestly, I don't expect them to ever top Lateralus. I'd like to be wrong about that, but I doubt it will happen.

That being said, I'm not looking for them to top it. I'd be perfectly happy with a good album; I don't expect them to top themselves now. 10,000 Days was such a massive letdown that I think they can't go anywhere but up at this point.

10,000 Days is my second favorite Tool album after Aenima. Lateralus has the best individual tracks I guess but there's just so much pointless filler on there. 10,000 Days was all... music.

[jonypony81]

Well like Maynard always says it takes 3 years for people to catch on and get everything that he has been involved with, it took 3 years for people to get TOOL, same for A Perfect Circle, and it will be the same for Puscifer. Yet I think that 10,000 days was concept album just like all the rest and the next album has a lot of material to live up to. I will still buy it regardless, and so will all of you if only for the album cover coolness!

[botley]

I started the Tool Hotline because of 10,000 days, and it gets next to no traffic. The Tool fan machine ain't what it used to be.

I've noticed this too. It is certainly not a function of the fine work you've done on the Hotline over the years.

My theory is that we've become too jaded as an online music culture for bands like Tool. When everything in the world is a file on a computer it is just too hard to get into a long contemplative track or (God forbid) a whole album.

Not saying that this in and of itself is good or bad. It is just a shame because so many of us were introduced to new concepts and ways of looking at the world through this band.

[Ryan]

I've noticed this too. It is certainly not a function of the fine work you've done on the Hotline over the years.

My theory is that we've become too jaded as an online music culture for bands like Tool. When everything in the world is a file on a computer it is just too hard to get into a long contemplative track or (God forbid) a whole album.

Not saying that this in and of itself is good or bad. It is just a shame because so many of us were introduced to new concepts and ways of looking at the world through this band.

The part that upsets me the most is that in the leadup to the follow-up to Lateralus, I distinctly recall saying to a friend at the time "how on earth are they going to make something better than Lateralus?" and I had a feeling things would go downhill. Circa 2001-2003/2004 things were still kind of "special" in the music world. There were surprises to be had and so on. It's only been in approximately the last five or six years that everything has become jaded, as you mentioned. There's this sudden lack of mystery. Now on YouTube you can see footage of a gig literally right after it's over, or while it's happening in high quality. You see candid sides of Maynard on his property in Arizona. And the crumbling point, at least directly in terms of Maynard's downfall, was immediately apparent: the release of The Outsider "video". Everything went downhill and lacking in quality after that.

I think you all get the general gist of what I'm saying. There was a definite altering point somewhere there. I feel as though everything essentially post 2004 or 2005 saw a real decline in our appreciation for music and we just got to see too much. Or more than we want to know or should know about artists. I think that's the problem with Tool now. When we didn't have access to twitter or being essentially able to see inside Maynard's ass hole via the web, when it was all more of a distant, mysterious type thing and we didn't know what to expect... those were the days.

[snaapz]

I started the Tool Hotline because of 10,000 days, and it gets next to no traffic. The Tool fan machine ain't what it used to be.

'Tool ain't what it used to be', Maynard has made it clear that he isn't heavily involved with TOOL now, not like he was in the 90s; being a TOOL fan is boring, even my devote TOOL fan friends are kind of meh about TOOL lately.

If anything admins should make a MAYNARD subform (Puscifer, APC, Tool, Caduceus Cellars...).


I find Metallica's stance fascinating, "no Jason Newsted, you cannot have a side band, any creative juice and ideas you have are for Metallica"


I wonder how much Tool has suffered because of APC, Puscifer, and the vineyard (and all that legal shit TOOL dealt with).

[pulse]

'Tool ain't what it used to be', Maynard has made it clear that he isn't heavily involved with TOOL now, not like he was in the 90s; if anything admins should make a MAYNARD subform (Puscifer, APC, Tool, Caduceus Cellars...).


I find Metallica's stance fascinating, "no Jason Newsted, you cannot have a side band, any creative juice and ideas you have are for Metallica"


I wonder how much Tool has suffered because of APC, Puscifer, and the vineyard (and all that legal shit TOOL dealt with).

Yeah that band that sells out every large arena show with ticket prices pushing $80-100 and only headlines festivals needs its subforum thread combined into an MJK thread. Beyond the vocals, those other projects sound nothing like Tool because Carey, Jones and Chancellor. If you really think so little of Tool's new music, fine, that's subjective. However, I can also state my opinion. Your association of how others should think based on your opinion sucks balls as does your understanding of how a forum works.

[BenAkenobi]

Tool = love. All i can say at the moment. Will add collection photo later.

by the way, i have a question for Tool gurus (including but not limited to Ryan)
if you have the early promo CD with 3 live tracks (Undertow/Flood/Jerk off), i'd be very happy to hear them
i also read somewhere Flood (live) was a bonus track on japanese edition of Undertow, same recording?

i'm asking because i found out the recordings on Prison sex single differ from those on Tales from the dark side
[i had this question for a long time, i hope it doesn't really violate "no copyrighted music sharing" rule here ]

[Malechite]

Man it feels like its been 10,000 days since their last album. More TOOL nao, plz.

[theruiner]

I can't believe it's been almost six years since the last album. As weird as it sounds, I'm actually glad it takes them so long. It builds the anticipation and makes each album more special.

That being said, I hated 10,000 Days so I hope the next one is better.

[Ryan]

I can't believe it's been almost six years since the last album. As weird as it sounds, I'm actually glad it takes them so long. It builds the anticipation and makes each album more special.

That being said, I hated 10,000 Days so I hope the next one is better.

Nine years now.

[Krazy]

I can't believe it's been almost six years since the last album. As weird as it sounds, I'm actually glad it takes them so long. It builds the anticipation and makes each album more special.

That being said, I hated 10,000 Days so I hope the next one is better.

Hahahahahahaha!!!

lol@looking at the first pages of this thread

[ManBurning]

10,000 days was down-right amazing! maybe not as down-right amazing as Lateralus, but it still was a fun record. I think I hated it the firts few listens, it definatly needs to grow on you. But that was the same with Lateralus, that was such a departure from AEnima that I was so shocked when I first heard it, and it definatly took a very long time to get into that style of playing for them. But I can honestly say the latter 2 albums are a million times better then the first 3 (Opiate, Undertow and AEnima). I know that's a pretty bold statement, but I just don't care for their older stuff like I used too.

[Malechite]

I didn't know that many people thought 10,000 Days was a let down. I don't like it in it's entirety as much as the other albums, but I really love the first 5 songs, I usually listen to them and then switch to something else.

also <3 The Pot.

I'm just lucky I caught a show on that tour in 2002, that was a damn good TOOL show!

Yeah, me too! Gotta love silver naked people dangling from chains.

[Wretchedest]

Does Tool even do anything anymore?

[theruiner]

They did an extensive tour in 2009 and 2010, and they're (very, very) slowly working on a new album.

[Harry Seaward]

This may be of interest to some of you.

http://soundcloud.com/revolvermagazi...fourth/s-9gUrz

Feersum Enjinn (Paul D'Amour's new band) Feat. Danny Carey. It's not too bad. Danny is always nice to hear.

[october_midnight]

The rumor (I believe even from a newsletter) was that first May 2012 was actually going to be the release date for the new album. At this point with MJK still in Puscifer mode I highly doubt it.

[Harry Seaward]

The rumor (I believe even from a newsletter) was that first May 2012 was actually going to be the release date for the new album. At this point with MJK still in Puscifer mode I highly doubt it.

That was the usual Blair sarcasm. It was a May 21/Rapture 'joke'.

[Harry Seaward]

Speaking of which...

TOOL NEWSLETTER
NOVEMBER, 2011 E.V.

At a time when the headlines are dominated by frenzied Amish beard clippers, whooping cough and Occupy Wall Street (Forget that - how about Occupy the Playboy Mansion, all you 69 per centers!), rather than discuss the thawing permafrost, Sandusky, or baffling Gamma ray bursts, how about some exciting TOOL-RELATED NEWS... That's right - while most of you were still digesting your Thanksgiving bird, highly acclaimed recording engineer and producer (not to mention vintage candy aficionado!) 'Evil' Joe Barresi was seated at the mixing console in the band's home studio - the only evidence of the holiday being a bowl of pumpkin-pie cheesecake Kit Kats that was placed there by one of the girls from Tool's business management. Believe it! Hours after your cranberry sauce was still jiggling, members of the band had gathered at the loft to begin tracking. For the sessions, the place looked like a gear-junkie's wet-dream, and with the 'evil' one deftly punching in bars on the remote control, as the night wore on, song after song -in all their musical complexity - were being captured on tape (Yes, tape! For this record, a Studer A827 "Gold Edition" analog tape recorder had been trucked in.) By the time of my much-anticipated arrival on Tuesday, almost all of the tracks were finished, as were the holiday confections. With the loft now littered with empty Tommy's burger wrappers and spent cans of Red Bull, as guitar riffs processed through an antique Echoplex wailed over the KRKs, stories were being told about Danny recently making a daring escape in his orange Lambo from Mastros steakhouse in Beverly Hills (where a side of lobster mashed potatoes goes for $30.00) - the entire thing caught by TMZ's cameras... although the crowd cheers are probably still lying on the proverbial cutting room floor. And now, with you being down to your last leftover turkey sandwich, with but a few overdubs to add, you can bet that the boys will be back at it tonight...


But what about TOOL's new album, you ask? Are they still making progress with the writing and arranging sessions? Will they be working during the holidays as a Gamma ray-mutated pterosaur tramples on foreclosed gingerbread houses? Absolutely! (for the quintillionth time), only with a festive pear-cinnamon cider replacing the Volto! Red Bulls. Actually, I've even seen part of a video from the band's next record - albeit this occurred during a strange time-slip that I recently experienced while pushing a shopping cart down one of the aisles at my local Ralphs (a place where cracks in paratime somehow seem to happen regularly). While looking for *********, I saw some guy wearing a programmable display (UV) TOOL 'video' tee-shirt. Glancing at it, I could hear the haunting sonic structure of one of the new songs accompanied by the bizarre, vibrant, Adam Jones imagery (yes, on the soft, flexible 'screen' material - which, of course, was made from the best quality cloth-plants). Wait a quark-flipping minute! Had I pushed the screeching cart many years into the future? Entranced by the dude's shirt, I watched as purplish amoeba-like things with a tangle of feelers morphed into intensely-colorful creatures. These were frightening, writhing chimeras and other mind-boggling bio-oddities of a demented (er... creative) mind. Were these some kind of "Saucer Wisdom" inspired piezoplastic receivers transmitted from Adam's thought-forms, or had he simply recorded one of his favorite nightmares?


(Had one of the band members themselves appeared in the video, I would have checked to see if any hair was blowing in the wind - just one of several tell-tale signs of a recorded dream.) Either way, how amazing were the images! (Cooler than watching a night janitor at McDonalds on fully charged quantum dot batteries in the flicker of strobe lights).


As I continued to observe the bedizening mental cartoons - snippets of some intricately detailed hyper-animation - I noticed that the guy wearing the Tool shirt was NOW accompanied by band-member semblances (decoy band-member semblances, I wondered?) Recognizing me, the Danny 'semblance' raised a half-full polyglass of some glittering black eagletail. As I was about to acknowledge this wonderful example of encrypted electromagnetic vibrations, I quickly found myself back at the Ralphs of November, 2011 e.v. And guess what happened next? You guessed it. I've heard of MIB types attempting to eat their green Jell-o with a straw, or even sticking a fork into a glass of Dr. Pepper. Hell, I've even seen one of the black hat boojums pay for a Whopper at Burger King with a handful of gleaming silver dollars - not to mention the dude who ordered a "Coke and Olives" at my neighborhood pub. But what this MIB-type did was really a dead giveaway. How so? Well, while at the checkout counter, along with his groceries, 'he' PURCHASED (there on the spot) Ralphs gift cards for $20.00 each (PLUS activation fees), which he wanted to use to pay for everything. Noticing the puzzled look on the cashier's face, I quickly left my stuff on the counter and hurried out of the place... wanting desperately to get back to my enchanted green ball... I mean, to my apartment...


Finally, to address all those Tool tour rumors. A few days ago, I met with the band's management in order to discuss this very thing. Although I wasn't sure if there was any validity to the rumors, I nevertheless told their manager that a small winter tour might not be such a bad thing. However, given my age, I didn't think that I'd be able to attend too many shows as a guest (at least, I wouldn't be able to attend them with the same vigor that I used to). I certainly didn't want to travel on the tour bus, as the bunks hurt my back. Also, my excessive snoring might keep some of the early riser band members awake at night (particularly Danny and Justin). And then there's the issue of the bad weather - both here and in Europe. Some dates in Australia would be okay, but with the recent discovery of an albino trapdoor spider in the land DownUnder, I'd have to rule that out, too. Perhaps some shows in the southern states might be best. Maybe even Texas? How about just a show or two right here in Los Angeles? That would certainly make things easier for me. I might even be able to party like I used to in the good old touring days. Better yet, still, what about an electromagnetic radiation transmitted (as theorized by Rudy Rucker, among others) - reconstituted/manifested Tool concert (including personality wave guests with all-access laminates) anywhere on the entire planet? Now, that would be great!.. Especially with those programmable display tee-shirts available at the Merch booth...


HAPPY TRAILS


Photo by BMB


BMB

[Bowen]

I have to admit, Tool is my favorite band. I haven't been on a forum since ToolArmy died 4 years ago. How many of you guys were ToolArmy members?

I also recommend downloading the Kalamazoo 98 Soundboard for those of you who haven't heard it. Its easily the best audio quality available of any of their live performances. You should be able to find it on any popular Torrent websites.

Btw, no one knows when the hell the new CD will be out. There has been speculation for years. We will hear it when its finished.

[Prettybrokenspiral]

Jesus fucking Christ... the album is 1 hour and 27 minutes long. There are not 4 instrumentals. There is ONE instrumental and 3 segues/interludes. By that logic, Ænima and Lateralus also had 4 "instrumentals." Some people are pretty damn hard to please...

It's a waste of one's time, man. Do you really throw on 13th Step so you can jam out to some Crimes, or 10KD so you can hear some dude chant "ooooh ooh oooh" for a minute before that godhead Lost Keys/Rosetta Stoned section? The worst is Eat The Elephant's pointless instrumental song in the 8-spot, sticking out like a sore thumb and screaming filler after a 14-year wait. Granted, that album is pretty much fucked by that point, but..

These things matter to people who have waited a large chunk of their lives to hear what's next. I certainly didn't wait all this time anticipating a fuckin' drum solo and some interludes to fill out the running time, did you? I'm banking heavily on this being an epic album experience of start-to-finish quality, fuck you to convention and pre-conceived notions of what a Tool album 13 years in the making (actually more like five when they finally got off their asses and started working) sounds like..

It just feels forced, I dunno. This whole process of FI's creation feels forced. I'm not one of these Tool fanboys who is just going to gulp down whatever they dump out and proclaim it as genius. Seriously, I would love for this album to be just that, and force me to eat my words. But four instrumentals/segues/interludes on a 10-track album isn't going to get me there, I'm afraid..